Sen. Feinstein to introduce legislation to make owning a rifle have an age requirement of 21 yo

What are you suggesting to keep your child or your grandchild from being a bloody mess on the classroom floor?

Lets assume there is no slippery slope just concerned classmates, parents and grand parents.
IF someone you loved was murdered in a classroom, what do you suggest be done? Put yourself in the shoes of someone who had lost a loved one.

wmgeorge said:

So the legal age to purchase a rifle is set at 21, unless you have served in the military first. It would have saved 17 young people in Florida. No, it will not stop other killings, but which one of your grandkids would you give up? With age comes maturity.... in most cases.
Note I did not say use a rifle, parents can dictate that.

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You have NO WAY of knowing whether YOUR theory is correct! He planned this murderous rampage and that means he would have procured the means by ANY means.

Homeschooling.
Private school with security.
Eton.

I never considered Feinstein to a voice of reason or common sense.

wmgeorge said:

What are you suggesting to keep your child or your grandchild from being a bloody mess on the classroom floor?

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Why are you suggesting sacrificing the rights of a group of people without any proof that it would help?

Do you really think a kid that wants to do this sort of thing is going to be stopped by an age limit? This shooter was calculated and as far as I can tell did not fit our normal view of an active shooter that just wants to die at the scene. He had a plan designed to defeat the security protocol at the school, and he also had an exit strategy! He finished shooting, evacuated with a group of students, and then went to Walmart and McDonald's. He was stopped on the way home because of the color of his shirt. If he bought a change of clothes in Walmart he would have been in the wind.


Now let's look at how the under 21 age group would be prevented from purchasing a rifle - it would be a combination of dealers and the NICS check. The NICS program is incredibly susceptible to fake IDs. Remember, it's a list of people to deny. If you're not on that list your ID can say "Micky Mouse" and you would get a green light. This is not a new issue either. Several years after the NICS system was implemented the GAO did a report on this. 100% of fake IDs resulted in a passed background check, and they haven't fixed anything since the report. To fix it would require a complete overhaul of the system.

How many fake IDs are out there? I can guarantee you that there are a good number of fakes in the high school and early college groups (mostly for buying alcohol). Do you really think someone who would go through this planning process couldn't find a fake ID?

So while this proposal would restrict a group of law abiding adults, there are plenty of holes in it for bad guys to get the guns anyway.

I'll agree with several other posters - it is disheartening to see the number of members who are willing to give away the rights of other people as long as it doesn't inconvenience themselves.

wmgeorge said:

What are you suggesting to keep your child or your grandchild from being a bloody mess on the classroom floor?

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Goodness gracious! Such hysterics! Look at this thread, post 27: https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-fix-this-starting-with-schools.832757/page-2 . That or a version of it is what I'm suggesting.

Raise the voting age back up to 21?

Walkalong said:

Arm people in the schools. Unmarked people trained to respond. When word gets out that schools are no longer gun free killing zones for the crazies, they will go elsewhere. They want easy targets, they are not brave, just crazy and angry. Still bad when they shoot up people somewhere else, but it won't be our children.

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Not to derail the thread but I've been saying that when airplanes start landing safely and terrorists get thrown out the door.... planes being hijacked won't happen often (not that is often but you get the idea)

Age doesn't and shouldn't matter. What matters is mentality. Most of the shooters were known to be wing-nuts well ahead of time. Enforcing the law is nearly impossible because of HIPA.

Until the Gov't spends adequately on mental health and health facilities, and figures out who is too looney, this stuff will continue.

I would imagine any law requiring a person to be 21 to purchase an AR would make possession of it by anyone under 21 illegal also.

wmgeorge said:

What are you suggesting to keep your child or your grandchild from being a bloody mess on the classroom floor?

Lets assume there is no slippery slope just concerned classmates, parents and grand parents.
IF someone you loved was murdered in a classroom, what do you suggest be done? Put yourself in the shoes of someone who had lost a loved one.

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I wear the shoes of a parent who has lost a child to murder with a firearm. She was living in New Jersey where hand gun ownership is an extremely difficult thing to do. Her husband knew a prostitute who put him in contact with a guy that sold guns illegally. He purchased a .38 revolver and gave it to his brother to use it to kill her. Do you really think a law requiring a person to be 21 or older to buy an AR would deter a determined individual?? Get real, criminals who sell guns illegally can get you nearly anything in a firearm you would want. This guy apparently had planned this act far in advance and if he felt he needed an AR to do it he would have found someone to sell him a weapon he couldn't legally have purchased. It's illegal to purchase, use, posses or sell marijuana, cocaine, heroin, meth and all the other ILLEGAL drugs. How well has that been working? Do I own firearms, you betcha and one of them is an AR. I don't blame the gun for my daughter's murder, I blame her husband and his brother, not the object they used. He wanted her dead for insurance money so even if he couldn't get a gun he would have used a bludgeon, knife or a corkscrew to obtain the end result. Are you really that naïve?

If they think that a law to purchase a long gun should be 21 then we should be pushing for a law that has mandatory retirement at 78 for a house or senate official due to the possibility of them having dementia.

George Dickel said:

I wear the shoes of a parent who has lost a child to murder with a firearm.

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I'm sorry for your loss.

I have lost a brother from being shot in the head.

It's painful for sure.... I know where the blame falls and it wasnt the guns fault.

Acelaw said:

with raising the age to 21 in exchange

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Except there will be no exchange.
What they will present is "Licenses for [AR]; Mandatory psyche screens; and raise Age to 21" and then after long, tiring, tedious arguing and holding of breath until blue in the face, will give in to only "raise age."

Telekinesis said:

The NICS program is incredibly susceptible to fake IDs.

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The Texas church shooter used his Texas ID and a Colorado address to purchase at Academy.

That was after being turned down for a Texas LTC (and after his pre-release Rights briefing in the brig in Sand Diego).

Age matters not. If someone is going to commit a mass shooting or mass carnage the old saying "Where there is a will there is a way"
seems to apply. The mental health of most of these people was in question or well know before they acted.

wmgeorge said:

What are you suggesting to keep your child or your grandchild from being a bloody mess on the classroom floor?

Lets assume there is no slippery slope just concerned classmates, parents and grand parents.
IF someone you loved was murdered in a classroom, what do you suggest be done? Put yourself in the shoes of someone who had lost a loved one.

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Hold the law enforcement agencies who completely failed to do their jobs in this case fully responsible, people in senior leadership roles in the FBI and the local police department need to lose their jobs with the possibility of charges being brought against those who were complicit in ignoring the shooter being handed to them on a silver platter prior to the shooting occurring. This shooting was 100% preventable but those with the power to prevent it did nothing.

GAF said:

Age matters not. If someone is going to commit a mass shooting or mass carnage the old saying "Where there is a will there is a way"
seems to apply. The mental health of most of these people was in question or well know before they acted.

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Exactly, we can completely remove the ability for these psychopaths to get their hands on a gun and they will just move on to the next thing. The ingredients for bombs and nerve gas are available at the local Walmart and the instructions on how to make them are readily available on the internet.

Cops have kids, too. I propose that the first response to violence at a school include a parent with gun and badge. He won't establish a perimeter, he will search and destroy.

If you can't buy a gun until your are 21 because you are too irrational and cannot handle such responsibility...then are we going to charge 20 year old murders as a "juvinal"?

Rights and responsibilities go hand in hand.

Typical leftist tactics. They want to regulate their way out of these mass murders. No regulation will stop this, although the regulations won't stop. If an American citizen can take a bullet for their country at 18 we ought to let them purchase a rifle.

I was carrying a pistol next to the president at 19 years old(after a lot of testing and clearance vetting) but could not buy one no matter what clearance I acquired or test I took.

Broad sweeping regulations will not help our schools. We have to be more intelligent and creative than raising the age to purchase a fire arm to get out of this mess.

Remember folks, this has very little to do with gun control, rather it's about future people control.

Gee in college years ago I couldn't image not having a long gun to protect myself in my apartment. Lets raise self-sufficient Americans. Not sheep.