Trump to Sessions: Ban Bumpstocks

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The first go around with Bump Stocks, the lawyers had it written that any mod to a trigger could be a violation - it was so open ended that a trigger job could be a violation of there poorly crafted law. Maybe it was just a sucker job to see if we were dumb enough to buy it. My self, I say fight it all the way. Its the Shooter's fault & the F.B.I.
 
Let’s get this back on topic. I removed some of my responses above.

I agree the ATF is going to take a look at what defines a semi-automatic and say that there’s not much they can do other than ban individual items and I don’t know if they can even do that as a. Unp stock is still meeting the one bullet for one pull of trigger rule.
 
Dude, you're quoting a progressive Fudd and the most anti-gun president the nation has ever seen.
Dude, I know. And yet those words are true. By all means, dispute the quote.

You want me to quote Jon Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, Ghandi, Maya Angelou, MLK, or Charelton Heston?

I’m not even sure why anyone famous needs to be quoted. Let’s just quote the only one that can’t be disputed....

“The right thing is to plant a foot and say "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!"

Sounds perfect.
 
im a single issue voter, I will not be voting for trump next election,solely from this one act...i voted to nominate ted cruz.
couldn't trust trump being a near life long Democrat . he has caved on every issue he ran on.

banning bumpfire stocks is a giant open door for banning all semiauto's in the future.

That's just nonsense. Bump stocks are a fringe device, whose purpose is debatable and function can be pretty easily duplicated. Semi-automatic guns account for maybe half of all guns sold, are woven into the fabric of gun ownership and will never be allowed to become banned.
 
USN 67-71.

I didn't know you needed a security clearance to be in a combat zone. Nobody ever told me that.

The president has a security clearance and he's a 5 time draft dodger. WTH does that prove?

Nobody ever got a medal or a VA disability for having a security clearance that I'm aware of.

But if it makes you feel better I'm glad you were able to get one.

Yes, we are both Veterans. Thank you for your service.

My appoligies to the OP for contributing to trollish behavior.
 
Let’s get this back on topic. I removed some of my responses above.

I agree the ATF is going to take a look at what defines a semi-automatic and say that there’s not much they can do other than ban individual items and I don’t know if they can even do that as a. Unp stock is still meeting the one bullet for one pull of trigger rule.
And let’s not forget the Miculek Phenomena. His trigger finger could literally be a “machine gun”. 8 rounds in 1 second. So then the next logical step would be the trigger. Limit it’s ability to reset quickly like with a shock absorber on a vehicle. Gives me a wee bit of a headache thinking about this rabbit hole some want us to go down.
 
“The right thing is to plant a foot and say "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!"

Sounds perfect.
That strategy didn't work in '34, '68, '86, or '94.

If you want to go 0-5 with 5 strikeouts, please do, but I'd like to get a Base on Balls or a sacrifice fly in my first at bat.
 
That strategy didn't work in '34, '68, '86, or '94.

If you want to go 0-5 with 5 strikeouts, please do, but I'd like to get a Base on Balls or a sacrifice fly in my first at bat.
Ok....now we’re onto a baseball analogy. Cool. You’re already on base. And you have the Second Amendment up to bat. You can see the catcher’s signal to the pitcher. You’re just gonna let it sacrifice itself so you can go to the next base? I mean, why not? It will get to come to the plate again. What’s the harm this time?

If you move the next analogy to figure skating though, I’m out.
 
Ok....now we’re onto a baseball analogy. Cool. You’re already on base. And you have the Second Amendment up to bat. You can see the catcher’s signal to the pitcher. You’re just gonna let it sacrifice itself so you can go to the next base? I mean, why not? It will get to come to the plate again. What’s the harm this time?

If you move the next analogy to figure skating though, I’m out.
How does the 2nd Amendment sacrifice itself over something most people don't use, doesn't have a practical purpose for hunting, target shooting, or self defense and can be made in someone's garage over the weekend when in return the 2nd Amendment drives in a run and puts points on the board?

We will NEVER get National Reciprocity in a bill by itself. We will NEVER get suppressors removed from the NFA in its own bill. All attempts to do so have failed, the mission is compromised, tactical retreat is necessary.

Whether I'm using baseball or figure skating, I know how to win in either sport. With your gameplan, it's insanity because it's the same position every time and it's not been winning.
 
How does the 2nd Amendment sacrifice itself over something most people don't use, doesn't have a practical purpose for hunting, target shooting, or self defense and can be made in someone's garage over the weekend when in return the 2nd Amendment drives in a run and puts points on the board?

I'm going to say the same thing I say to my students: It's not about what people use, what has a practical purpose for hunting or target shooting or self defense. It's about a principle that the people retain a last ditch check on a runaway government. There is no constitutional right to go hunting.
 
I think we are all just bandying words over bump stocks. The law says no machine guns. That's the law. Move on.

Bump stocks are an example of people violating the spirit of a law while remaining in the letter of the law. They are an obvious end run around the law. They never should have been legal to begin with.

If I were to play devil's advocate for a moment, when you say "If they take bump stocks the AR5 will be next," I might respond with "If they can have bump stocks as a work around the machine gun law, what other law will gun owners circumvent next?"
 
My last comment for the evening...

The pendulum is going to swing hard and fast very soon.

I teach high school juniors (16-17 yrs old). When that group starts to vote en masse, none of these discussion will matter. We (certainly I) like to dismiss them as "kids these days" or "tide pod eating losers," but the reality is they are informed (they call it "woke"), they have their own ideas, and they care about their future. The vast majority of them are radically leftist in their views. Everything that generations of Americans have worked for, fought for, and died for, will be thrown out the window over the next 20-30 years.

Trump's election is an aberration. We are going to see increasing liberal majorities in governments throughout America in our lifetimes. Increasing gun control measures, restrictions on personal freedoms, socialist economic and "social justice" measures are less than a generation away in our future. I very seriously doubt we have any power whatsoever to change that future.

So whatever we're going to "bargain for" or "bargain away" now, we better make it meaningful, because any laws we pass now will be repealed in the coming decades.
 
What the bump stocks were useful for was to legally provide the armed citizen with a means to simulate fully-automatic suppressive fire should they be needed it time of civil unrest or without rule of law etc.

That, and they were just plane fun. It is sad that our leaders seek to ban them. It is even sadder to see some here apparantly on board with it.
 
My last comment for the evening...

The pendulum is going to swing hard and fast very soon.

I teach high school juniors (16-17 yrs old). When that group starts to vote en masse, none of these discussion will matter. We (certainly I) like to dismiss them as "kids these days" or "tide pod eating losers," but the reality is they are informed (they call it "woke"), they have their own ideas, and they care about their future. The vast majority of them are radically leftist in their views. Everything that generations of Americans have worked for, fought for, and died for, will be thrown out the window over the next 20-30 years.

Trump's election is an aberration. We are going to see increasing liberal majorities in governments throughout America in our lifetimes. Increasing gun control measures, restrictions on personal freedoms, socialist economic and "social justice" measures are less than a generation away in our future. I very seriously doubt we have any power whatsoever to change that future.

So whatever we're going to "bargain for" or "bargain away" now, we better make it meaningful, because any laws we pass now will be repealed in the coming decades.

I also taught high schoolers and I think I mostly (unfortunately) agree with you. The only thing I would add is to modify one of your descriptions. You said they were informed: they are, but not well-informed. Social media has an inordinate influence on their opinions and they tend to (also unfortunately) move as a herd.
 
Friends, fellow sportsmen/women (hereafter not corrected for brevity), all typing in the world, likes, point counterpoints are USELESS without any type of action

HINT: The other side is ACTING and therefore, INFLUENCING the outcome. Dear God, they've stooped so low as to portray they are representing our childern's views and with that, our future. I cannot overstress what I am about to say to one & all whatever 2A portion is your flavour, hunting, collecting, 3Gun, NRA High Power, Cowboy Action, etc et al

SQUEAKY WHEEL GETS THE GREASE

Have you called or preferably hand written -complete with spelln errors- your local, state, federal legislators lately? I attempted no less than 9 times yesterday to contact my federal Senator, line was busy. Who was talking to him? What opinion were they trying to sway?

Have you written a letter to POTUS since the grade school excercise?

Renewed your membership to your favorite 2A advocacy group i.e. NRA, GOA, 2ndAFoundation (SAF)? Donated a lousy $5bill or more to the cause?

Friends! Think! If not now, when?

Please review my sig line, below. Thank you for your time:thumbup:
 
When we sell the fact that ar15 semi auto rifles are just like any rifle, one pull of the trigger gets one bullet then go ahead and sell something like a bump stock that makes it act like a machine gun to those on the fence Does that sound like a smart move? The only good thing is it can be used as pawn now. I don’t think bumpbstocks should have ever been illegal. I question the wisdom of the whole invention.
 
The problem with many of you is that you fail to understand that, left in the arena of politics, solutions to mass shootings neither have to be practical nor efficacious. It just has to appear as if the good men and women in Congress are doing something. In the same manner that they mortgage our money passing unbalanced budgets year, after year, after year, they now have no problem reassuring their own continued employment by leveraging a Constitutional right a little bit here and a little bit there.
 
I act older than I am and listen to am radio. A big hurdle fact for opposition to banning ar15s is the commonality of them. There are a lot. Both suppressors and machine guns were rare among the population during the 34’ act. If ar15’s were that rare they would be gone. My advice. Don’t waste money on bump stocks. Donate to pro second groups. Write Congress. And if you can wing it buy an ar15.
 
If we could get the Hughes Amendment repealed as part of the bump stock controversy, it would be a huge deal and a major rollback of the antigun agenda.

One problem is that many in the MG community don't want the Hughes Amendment to be repealed, because of their large paper gains due to the artificial scarcity of transferable MG's. Those MG owners should be ashamed.

The antigunners want guns to be registered. OK, in this one area, let's give them their wish. How can they say no to registering and regulating heretofore illegal machine guns?
 
My last comment for the evening...

The pendulum is going to swing hard and fast very soon.

I teach high school juniors (16-17 yrs old). When that group starts to vote en masse, none of these discussion will matter. We (certainly I) like to dismiss them as "kids these days" or "tide pod eating losers," but the reality is they are informed (they call it "woke"), they have their own ideas, and they care about their future. The vast majority of them are radically leftist in their views. Everything that generations of Americans have worked for, fought for, and died for, will be thrown out the window over the next 20-30 years.

Trump's election is an aberration. We are going to see increasing liberal majorities in governments throughout America in our lifetimes. Increasing gun control measures, restrictions on personal freedoms, socialist economic and "social justice" measures are less than a generation away in our future. I very seriously doubt we have any power whatsoever to change that future.

So whatever we're going to "bargain for" or "bargain away" now, we better make it meaningful, because any laws we pass now will be repealed in the coming decades.

I hate to admit it, but I think you are right. The left has been utilizing long term strategies for decades now while the opposition has been fighting short term battles without seeing the war in it's entirety, they won some of the battles while losing the war. Over this period of time liberals have almost completely co-opted the education system and are using it as a propaganda machine to indoctrinate children into their way of thinking. Using this tool they have shaped the majority of several generations into a voting block that follows what feels good instead of what works, is responsible, or even makes sense. At the same time in the "war on poverty" they have turned the inner cities and welfare class into a voting block based on what they can and will give them in return. Our only hope is that enough of these young people truly wake up and realize that they are being used and start voting with their brains instead of their hearts.
 
While I don't agree with it, I call this "feeding the beast". President Trump is offering them as a sacrifice. This is likely a tactical move that still has the opportunity to be rejected. Along with such things as requiring better reporting for mental illness issues. Getting gun-friendly politicians behind something like this sacrificial lamb can make a difference by shutting the antis up for a while.
 
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