....time and the quality of the response.
The time of response by armed police officer to the recent school shooting was less than ninety seconds. Every school I have first hand knowledge of has a School Resource Officer (SRO). The SRO is assigned to the school and is in the building from before school opens and until students leave at end of day. I even see them at after school events. The school in Florida had an SRO. The “quality” (trying not to say coward) of this SRO was to stay outside the building while the shooting was going on. This article says there were three more officers that also stayed outside the building while the shooting was going on. There is a monster inside the building murdering defenseless, unarmed school age children in their gun free zone and four armed officers are outside the building while it is going on.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/2752...tm_content=022418-news&utm_campaign=position1
The point I’m getting to is that we are each responsible for our own protection. The protection you need to provide for yourself, and if necessary those around you, has to be immediate. Be it run away or fight back. If you rely on someone else then you’re a ‘victim in waiting’.
I’ve been reading the debates and arguments on this just like everyone else. It’s frustrating to watch this boil down to basically just two groups. Either the ‘victim in waiting’ group or the ‘fight back’ group. Of course we would all like to be in the ‘this stuff never happens’ group. Reality is that it does happen and will happen. No one from the FBI down to the SRO is responsible for, or apparently even capable of, your immediate protection.
There are quite a few people here on THR that would give the 2nd Amendment away piece by piece or all at once. What is the way ahead you people envision? Take away all firearms in one fell swoop? Only from the law abiding of course. Those that would prey upon us would keep theirs. What then? The massacre continues unabated for how ever many decades it takes to police up the firearms? As in this previous episode where the shooter finally tires of massacring and then goes to McDonalds?
How many of you pro 2nd Amendment folks have weakened your stance? Are ready to ‘give’ a little?
How many of you still stand firm?
Many see this recent tragedy as a reason to “take away the guns!” Which would be closing the barn doors after the horses have left. Guns are here to stay. We have some where between 300,000,000 to 600,000,000 guns on the street. No way to know exactly, really. They’re here to stay be it legally or on the black market. You’re not going to wish them away. Deal with it.
Me? For me it couldn’t be made anymore plain, as it should be to anyone, IMHO, watching this debacle unfold and come out into the light. Your immediate protection is your responsibility. I’ll fight for my God given right to protect me and mine. I’ll give to the NRA, boycott Hertz Rental Car, and give nothing away on the 2nd.
Police response time in my area can be 30 minutes, easily. Nights and weekends we have two deputies to patrol the whole county. How many more police officers would we need to present a deterrence to those that would do us harm? What response time would make it appear too risky for criminals to invade my home? There’s some mental gymnastics. But, since it’s estimated that over fifty percent of the homes in this county are armed, we only need two on nights and weekends. You don’t open a door around here uninvited.
Some here say America is changing to the ‘victim in waiting’ culture. And give compelling arguments. I’m afraid they’re right. But not yet.
Is your immediate protection your responsibility? Would you rather wait for someone else to show up? Or will you carry a firearm to protect you and those you care about?
The time of response by armed police officer to the recent school shooting was less than ninety seconds. Every school I have first hand knowledge of has a School Resource Officer (SRO). The SRO is assigned to the school and is in the building from before school opens and until students leave at end of day. I even see them at after school events. The school in Florida had an SRO. The “quality” (trying not to say coward) of this SRO was to stay outside the building while the shooting was going on. This article says there were three more officers that also stayed outside the building while the shooting was going on. There is a monster inside the building murdering defenseless, unarmed school age children in their gun free zone and four armed officers are outside the building while it is going on.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/2752...tm_content=022418-news&utm_campaign=position1
The point I’m getting to is that we are each responsible for our own protection. The protection you need to provide for yourself, and if necessary those around you, has to be immediate. Be it run away or fight back. If you rely on someone else then you’re a ‘victim in waiting’.
I’ve been reading the debates and arguments on this just like everyone else. It’s frustrating to watch this boil down to basically just two groups. Either the ‘victim in waiting’ group or the ‘fight back’ group. Of course we would all like to be in the ‘this stuff never happens’ group. Reality is that it does happen and will happen. No one from the FBI down to the SRO is responsible for, or apparently even capable of, your immediate protection.
There are quite a few people here on THR that would give the 2nd Amendment away piece by piece or all at once. What is the way ahead you people envision? Take away all firearms in one fell swoop? Only from the law abiding of course. Those that would prey upon us would keep theirs. What then? The massacre continues unabated for how ever many decades it takes to police up the firearms? As in this previous episode where the shooter finally tires of massacring and then goes to McDonalds?
How many of you pro 2nd Amendment folks have weakened your stance? Are ready to ‘give’ a little?
How many of you still stand firm?
Many see this recent tragedy as a reason to “take away the guns!” Which would be closing the barn doors after the horses have left. Guns are here to stay. We have some where between 300,000,000 to 600,000,000 guns on the street. No way to know exactly, really. They’re here to stay be it legally or on the black market. You’re not going to wish them away. Deal with it.
Me? For me it couldn’t be made anymore plain, as it should be to anyone, IMHO, watching this debacle unfold and come out into the light. Your immediate protection is your responsibility. I’ll fight for my God given right to protect me and mine. I’ll give to the NRA, boycott Hertz Rental Car, and give nothing away on the 2nd.
Police response time in my area can be 30 minutes, easily. Nights and weekends we have two deputies to patrol the whole county. How many more police officers would we need to present a deterrence to those that would do us harm? What response time would make it appear too risky for criminals to invade my home? There’s some mental gymnastics. But, since it’s estimated that over fifty percent of the homes in this county are armed, we only need two on nights and weekends. You don’t open a door around here uninvited.
Some here say America is changing to the ‘victim in waiting’ culture. And give compelling arguments. I’m afraid they’re right. But not yet.
Is your immediate protection your responsibility? Would you rather wait for someone else to show up? Or will you carry a firearm to protect you and those you care about?
Nope.
My job requires me to go into schools and work some. Thankfully after school is closed usually. I still do not like it. When I have a choice I am armed. Hokie has it pretty well summed up as he has been there where most of us have not. You both make good points and I think that ending schools being gun free would go a long way to end those spots as killing fields. A few teachers and some random parents, workers, etc that MIGHT POSSIBLY be carrying is a better deterrent than a uniform at a door ever will be.