Mosin-Nagant Rifles finally cool now?

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They are certainly at cult collector status. In 20 years when we are at the cusp of the 100 year anniversary of the Germans invadinformation Poland I suspect all WW2 arms will greatly increase in value. Mosin will be no exception although it will never be worth what American or German rifle will fetch IMHO. The obvious reasons being that there are a ton of them out there and the quality and craftsmanship are less with the Mosin.

That said they all have their place in history and my 1939 Tula is a fun shooter and a cool rifle indeed. She has a lot of character.
 
SamT1 said:
They are fun like any gun and you can accurize them to MOA.

Lots of strikes against them from a marketing standpoint:

1. Iron sights are out of style
2. Woodstock’s are out of style
3. Bayonets aren’t on the tacticool list
4. Not American history.
5. Basic AR15 for $400

I understand liking them when they were cheap. I have some too.
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I have a feeling it would take more than a little money to make the average Mosin into a MOA shooter.

Otherwise:

1 Benefit! Iron sights are an expensive add-on not generally found on budget guns, bolt or AR!
2 Benefit! Most new guns are plastic. Only high dollar and special order have factory wood these days, especially so if you want something with classic lines!
3 Benefit! Bayonets are absolutely tacticool! No it aint chainsaw cool, but look at how many AR and AK owners pay extra just for the lug. Its a built-in combo rifle rack and soviet era sundial, just stick it in the dirt and the shadow tells time!
4 Not so fast there! The Soviets were our Allies in defeating the Germans - heck a bunch of Mosins were made right here in the good ol US of A! Besides folks have been selling them here for decades while dozens of other flash-in-the-pan gun designs came and went.
5 Benefit! You can still buy a new-to-you Mosin and hundred of rounds of ammo for less than the expense of cheapie AR!

Come on man! Let's give 3 cheers for the super cool Mosin Nagant! Hip! Hip!...
 
They were kinda cool when the rifles and ammo was cheap. But not so much any more.
The newer generation of gun owners (“kids”) saw them in Call of Duty or wherever and their popularity has been on the rise, along with the price.
 
I like em. I have about 15 or so of the various versions. They are a bit clunky compared to other milsurps but they work, are as accurate as others. Some very accurate if you get the right load. Shoot a very capable round that IIRC is the longest round being used by militaries. Last they were cheap when I bought them and on average have trippled or more in price. Not bad. Best thing is shooting my 1929 91/30 Tula hex along side others with average modern rifles with scopes and walking down to the 100 yd targets and having the same size group as theirs. Around 2".
 
illinoisburt said:
I have a feeling it would take more than a little money to make the average Mosin into a MOA shooter.
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You’d be amazed what one can do if you press all the crap off the barrel, get it in a bedded and floated stock, lap the lugs, polish the chamber and bore, massage the trigger until it’s acceptable ( I’ve yet to get one nice).
An above average back yard Bubba can get one kicking butt with an ATI kit, some JB weld, sand paper, fine valve grinding compound and various other things a good Bubba has laying around for 4 hours of time, at least a 6 pack depending on bubbas build, and a cheap ATI stock and scope mount kit!
 
The reason I never bought one was because when they were $80 everyone told me they were junk and could not hold rounds on a pie plate at 100 yards. I have no use for a 12 moa rifle so I scoffed at them at kept walking. Same for the SKS's, everyone said they were junk. Well come to find Mosins are just as accurate as any other milurp bolt action. Mine is more like pop can than pie plate accurate and I didn't do anything to it.
 
Of course, and I'm talking about the shorter 38, 44 and 91/59 series, but under two conditions:

Both of my 44s seemed to have decent rifling, but resting on a bench I was unable to get groups less than approx. 6" at 50 yards.

If you can afford plenty of ammo which works and are fortunate enough to have an accurate rifle (counter-bored for better accuracy or not),
then Yes!

Apparently the Finns took better care of their standard-length, modified versions than the Soviet troops.

All of you guys do realize that a US factory manufactured some Mosin rifles?
 
Ignition Override said:
Of course, and I'm talking about the shorter 38, 44 and 91/59 series, but under two conditions:

Both of my 44s seemed to have decent rifling, but resting on a bench I was unable to get groups less than approx. 6" at 50 yards.

If you can afford plenty of ammo which works and are fortunate enough to have an accurate rifle (counter-bored for better accuracy or not),
then Yes!

Apparently the Finns took better care of their standard-length, modified versions than the Soviet troops.

All of you guys do realize that a US factory manufactured some Mosin rifles?
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Not one, two. New England Westinghouse, and Remington. Also the first Mosins were manufactured in France, at Chatellerault Arsenal.
 
Ive had 3
One i i fully sporterized, and 2 which stayed stock.
The sporter shot under 1" with .311 174smks, and .308 180 ssts
Both of the others shot 1.5-2" with the smks and a pistol scope clamped to dovetail under the rear sight.

They Mosin is long, clunky, and ugly.
Its also strong, reliable, and in my experience reasonably accurate.

That said id still RATHER have a 1903, arisaka, 93+ mauser variant, or any number of other contemporary rifles. This is just because i like sporters and they make prettier sporters.
 
People speak of them as if they're the worst firearm in history, as if they're as archaic as a brown bess, and as crudely built as a mud outhouse.

It's idiocy and gun forum regurgitation at its worst. They were a rugged and durable battle rifle that served well all throughout the 20 century. They are not junk.

Yes, people didn't give them the time of day when they were plentiful. For that reason, now that they're starting to dry up, they are cool now.
 
I bought one in the 2000's for $65. It's not that cool. It's a much cooler wall hanger than shootable firearm. I'm still not convinced I got my money's worth.

It's an un-degreasable clunky clumsy junker that ruins gun cases and everything it touches, nearly requires a mallet to work the bolt, and costs more to shoot than .308.

I don't even know how accurate mine is. To even put it on paper, I'd have to wrap it in Saran-wrap before putting it in the gun case, bring a mallet so I wouldn't get a hernia working the bolt, and wear gloves and protective clothing so I wouldn't get soaked in grease. And even then, I bet it would squirt out of my grip like a soapbar before I got more than a few rounds in.

Cooldill said:
as if they're as archaic as a brown bess, and as crudely built as a mud outhouse.
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To put it another way, it's not much more than 50 odd years ahead of the Brown Bess, and mud outhouses were state of the art when the rifle was introduced.
 
kozak6 said:
I bought one in the 2000's for $65. It's not that cool. It's a much cooler wall hanger than shootable firearm. I'm still not convinced I got my money's worth.

It's an un-degreasable clunky clumsy junker that ruins gun cases and everything it touches, nearly requires a mallet to work the bolt, and costs more to shoot than .308.

I don't even know how accurate mine is. To even put it on paper, I'd have to wrap it in Saran-wrap before putting it in the gun case, bring a mallet so I wouldn't get a hernia working the bolt, and wear gloves and protective clothing so I wouldn't get soaked in grease. And even then, I bet it would squirt out of my grip like a soapbar before I got more than a few rounds in.



To put it another way, it's not much more than 50 odd years ahead of the Brown Bess, and mud outhouses were state of the art when the rifle was introduced.
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And you dare have a user name with Cossack (Kozak in Russian) in it. Shame on you.
 
kozak6 said:
I bought one in the 2000's for $65. It's not that cool. It's a much cooler wall hanger than shootable firearm. I'm still not convinced I got my money's worth.

It's an un-degreasable clunky clumsy junker that ruins gun cases and everything it touches, nearly requires a mallet to work the bolt, and costs more to shoot than .308.

I don't even know how accurate mine is. To even put it on paper, I'd have to wrap it in Saran-wrap before putting it in the gun case, bring a mallet so I wouldn't get a hernia working the bolt, and wear gloves and protective clothing so I wouldn't get soaked in grease. And even then, I bet it would squirt out of my grip like a soapbar before I got more than a few rounds in.



To put it another way, it's not much more than 50 odd years ahead of the Brown Bess, and mud outhouses were state of the art when the rifle was introduced.
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I would rather get one in the cosmolene. I had a lot of fun getting the cosmolene off of my rifle and in the process you learn each and every part. I used mineral spirits on the metal parts and held the stock over a boiling pot of water to steam out the cosmolene.

Getting the grease off is step one man! Step 2 is go shoot her and see what she is capable of. ;)
 
I bought my mint M44 couple years ago at a yard sale for 75.00 bucks. Dated 1946, the rifle is excellent and has a perfect bore. hdbiker
 
Mine looked like it had been hauled up out of a latrine pit when I bought it. After scrubbing off the cosmoline and oiling it up nice I was quite surprised how nice the machining and bluing is. When people come over to BS about guns I like to hand them my 1940 mosin and my 2017 savage 12fv and say which has a nicer fit and finish? Nobody has ever said the savage.
 
I'd like to have the sniper version or even a repro sniper version. I think those look cool. I kinda have a fetish for all guns those period though. Much more than most of todays plastic guns anyway.
 
I have a couple and the 7.62x54r is a fine old cartridge. Its recoil is not too bad fired in full length Dragoon or 91/30 rifles. Don't have nor want the carbine models for that reason.

Mosins can be improved with a few tricks as the Finns did, especially the trigger. I have to count my m28 Finn rebuild of a 1905 Sestroryetsk Mosin receiver with a Sig barrel as one of my favorite rifles. Someone ruined the collector's value by chopping the stock and tapping the receiver ring. At least the tapped holes were straight compared to other receivers that I have seen.
 
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