Handguns that didn't stick around

HK VP70Z.

gopguy,

What? you did not find the dragging a cinder block through broken glass 23 plus pound trigger pull on a gun half the size of a VW bug that was the VP70 comfortable to shoot?

Did look cool, especially with the stock, but who had one?

-kBob

I actually have four of them in my collection. lol

I was rather partial to the Mauser M-2 .45. the rotating barrel was rather neat. And there was one that died before it got to the US.it was kept out by the Clinton gun ban. The Ismash mp-412 T-Rex. A Russian made polymer coated frame, break open .357mag, with auto eject.

gopguy,

You have four VP70 with stocks?

I had one of the soft dart toy VP70s that were available at the time. Used it for RYON hunting as it was such a soft shooter. I would grab it up and scream "RYON! RYON!" as from "Call me Buwanna" with Hope and my wife's cat would dash around the house while I shot soft darts in its general direction. The darn feline loved it! He even figured out it was safe to charge and grab my ankle while I was reloading if he was fast. He would also attack and "gut" with his hind legs the individual darts when I was out and frantically looking for fired darts to reload

Same cat would do the walking cat thing and stroll across the hall on back legs only with front paws tucked up......but only if I was home alone. I figured he was trying to gas light me. Eventually he messed up and did it in front of my wife who declared she under stood why I referred to that trick as "demonic".

He did not however enjoy the battery operated mini Uzi water pistol. Eventually he reacted to the sound of it much like he did to the water. It helped teach him things like not clawing up furniture three feet away from an expensive "cat tower/scratching post/bed" that took up way to much of the living room or not opening kitchen cabinets in search of kitty treats.

The trick he did while I slept, jumping off a book case next to my bed and about five feet over my chest, and landing with full hardness cat gravity boots hard enough to leave bruises on my rib cage did make me wish on occasion that I had a VP 70 with the stock, even if he was my buddy.

There is a gun control law I can get behind.....we should DEFFINATLY keep true Full auto machine pistols out of the paws of Tom Cats.

-kBob

About the HK rotating barrel gun, was there anything other than the Styer 1911, Obregon, and one of the Czeck 20-somthings that used that?

Didn't Beretta and the Turks play with something with that for a bit?

-kBob

Gunny

I remember reading about that multi caliber gun but never saw one at any gun shop or gun show that I ever went to.

bannockburn said:

Gunny

I remember reading about that multi caliber gun but never saw one at any gun shop or gun show that I ever went to.

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Same here, I have yet to put my hands on one. It would be cool to have one, but I don’t think it would be worth the asking price.

Monac said:

Dain, is that Mateba a 44 or a 357? It looks huge.

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.44 Mag.

Stallard. (I think it became Hi Point)

PapaG said:

Stallard. (I think it became Hi Point)

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Yes, after a brief time being "Maverick", I think.

Monac said:

Yes, after a brief time being "Maverick", I think.

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That’s not, not sticking around, that’s evolving.

The Beretta 90-Two in .40 & 9mm from 2006 to 2009, replaced by the 92A1 / 96A1 in 2010.

kBob said:

About the HK rotating barrel gun, was there anything other than the Styer 1911, Obregon, and one of the Czeck 20-somthings that used that?

Didn't Beretta and the Turks play with something with that for a bit?

-kBob

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Oh, there have a been a lot of rotating barrel pistols. The Savage 45/380/32 autos all had rotating barrels, and so did the French MAB PA-15, and the Beretta Cougar, which became the Stoeger something-or-other made in Turkey, I think. And the Colt 2000, of peculiar renown! I can't think of others off the top of my head, but I am sure there are quite a few.

The Ruger P series are awesome, I love mine.

I believe that Walther stopped production of the post-war P-38 in the late 1990's. That is one my all time favorites. Not to mention the P88 and the P5. I am glad that I was able to snag one of the last P1s at SOG before the supply dried up, though.

JeeperCreeper said:

List of handguns off the top of my head:
Smith 3rd gens
Ruger P-series
Colt 2000 all american
Star/Astra brands
Daewoos (now imported as lionheart)

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I've got a 3rd Gen S&W, a couple different Stars, and a Daewoo. All are fantastic shooters, especially for the money. I'd say the Bren Ten, but that was a decade earlier.

If I came across a Ruger for the right price in good shape, I'd add one of those too.

80's-90's are a good period to look for nice "extinct" guns. Most manufacturers had figured out the DA/SA by then, especially the 9mm, and there were lots of well-made metal framed pistols. Most didn't survive the Glock blitz, but that was a financial result, not due to mechanical issues (Star, S&W, Ruger, etc). There's really little difference in quality between one of those and the surviving Sigs, Berettas, CZ etc, just popularity and the decision by the maker to keep producing.

I owned a Micro Desert Eagle .380 and sold it. Great gun, looks great, was reliable. The finish was great. It had a Nickel Teflon finish. The size made it really easy to conceal. Everything was great about the gun right up to the moment you pulled the trigger. A long, DAO, super heavy trigger pull. I could stage it to hit what I am looking at. It required a large amount of concentration, but it honestly was the hardest pistol I ever shot, the recoil was better than that of a Ruger LCPII, the weight of theweapon kept it manageable, but lost any benefit with the lack of grip. It could certainly work at bad breath distance, but it was not a replacement for the model 649.

I do believe they are still being manufactured in the USA.

Anyone ever own an AMT Automag II .22 magnum auto? Mine jammed quite a bit, so I sold it off.

Astra Constable

Whiterook808 said:

Anyone ever own an AMT Automag II .22 magnum auto? Mine jammed quite a bit, so I sold it off.

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A buddy at work had one...that also was a total 'jamm-o-matic'. I wanted to examine it to find out what was up...and it ended up being the hammer spring was so long that it was going into coil bind when fully cocked. This took too much energy from the action and resulted in the jamming. Cut a couple coils off and the thing just ran and ran. Seems stupid that they'd build a gun SO close to working...and for such a simple problem, but other AMT products have exhibited this same trait and needed some 'TLC' to make work. (Backup 45 comes to mind)