SKS or AR?

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If you look around and aren’t afraid to make offers, you can still pretty regularly obtain a decent SKS for $350. I agree that from an investment point of view, barring an AR ban with grandfathered “pre-ban” designation, the SKS is probably a better investment outside of the collector value Colt AR15. As much as I love the Garand, I prefer an SKS.

Just like all the old timers lament that the price of certain things is still stuck in there head of what it cost in the old days, an SKS will forever be a $150 gun in my mind. Even $350 is just to much for me to get interested in one. I really wish I had gotten one when they were $99. Probably will never own one now but I have handled and shot them.
 
Just like all the old timers lament that the price of certain things is still stuck in there head of what it cost in the old days, an SKS will forever be a $150 gun in my mind.

Until it comes time to sell one then the old timer's tune changes. :D
 
Thanks for the replies. Lots to think about.
Also, I did a quick search to see who has SKSs for sale. Not much out there. SOG has some Yugos for $460, but that’s about it, outside of Gunbroker.
Conversely, I can get an AR just about anywhere.
More to think about.
 
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What you seem to have here is a choice between an apple and an orange.

yep....

I've had several of both and it's hard to compare the two... They are so different.. They both get the job done but have very different personalities.... The SKS is a rugged workhorse that will continue to work under abuse and neglect and not really even seem to notice. The AR is refined, precise and accurate but a little delicate and temperamental when compared to a steel receiver, gas piston driven SKS.. If I had to choose between the two I would probably pick the AR for the type of shooting I usually do, punching holes in paper targets. You mentioned deer hunting though, I would rather hunt deer with a 7.62x39 then with a 5.56. (Yeah I know lots of deer are killed with 5.56 but I'd prefer a little bigger, heavier bullet.) Maybe you should get an AR in 7.62x39??? You also mentioned investment potential, I don't think either is great in that department but I will say that the price of SKS's has gone up while the price of AR's has gone down. Plus, the SKS's that are out there are likely all there ever will be. Although SKS's are still being used in a couple of places, I don't know of anyone still making them (???) and I can't imagine anyone will ever tool up to start making them again when they can stamp out an AK47 receiver..
 
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. You mentioned deer hunting though, I would rather hunt deer with a 7.62x39 then with a 5.56.


You know there is a fad, maybe it has passed, converting AR's to 300 Blackout. I looked at the ballistics, and you push a 125 grain bullet to 2200 fps. Well, that is a less powerful cartridge than my 30-30, where I am pushing a 170 grain bullet, just at 2150 to 2200 fps. Standing amidst the poodle cartridges, my 30-30 is a cannon! The 7.62 X 39 pushes a 154 grain bullet at 2100 fps, which is just a little slower than a standard 150 grain bullet goes in the 30-30. So, when you get to either rifle, SKS or AR15, none of them are going to be more powerful than a 30-30, so it is hard to get excited about the things based on their cartridges.

Now if the SKS came in 308 Win, then that would be worth jumping around about. But, it does not.
 
... investment potential, I don't think either is great in that department but I will say that the price of SKS's has gone up while the price of AR's has gone down. Plus, the SKS's that are out there are likely all there ever will be. Although SKS's are still being used in a couple of places, I don't know of anyone still making them (???) and I can't imagine anyone will ever tool up to start making them again when they can stamp out an AK47 receiver..

Sks are still pouring put of China, just not to the US. They are probably the most common centerfire in Canada. Cabelas was running black Friday sales on Chinese for $129 a year ago. Russian sks are readily available for $200 there are well. Its just a matter of importation bans won't let them across the border. So prices and availability are subject to political whims much like we see with ARs.

"...one would necessarily be a range toy, a Wisconsin woods deer rifle, and an investment..."

Let me preface by saying I have never owned an AR platform rifle. Used plenty of them including Uncle Sam's A2s but never could get enough warm fuzzies to buy one. So I can perfectly understand someone not "feeling it." However as range toy and possibly occasional hunting tool, it is probably a better choice than an SKS.

I've owned and enjoyed SKS's for a long time. They are universally heavier and much less accurate. Handloading and tinkering might get a 3+ moa result if you are lucky, but a realistic expectation is 5 moa with most any off the shelf ammo. They just weren't designed for much better. Any run of the mill AR build will get 2 MOA without much fuss and at least for now there are parts galore for modifying and tweaking. Plus you have the advantage of buying a new gun with modern CNC'd components. All SKS in the US are surplus and/or used (recommend steering clear of used commercial SKS as they had not-so-good reputations for durability back 30 years ago and probably haven't improved with age). As time goes by it's anyone's guess, but if the purpose is more for shooting than collecting the AR is better in my opinion.
 
Thanks for the replies. Lots to think about.
Also, I did a quick search to see who has SKSs for sale. Not much out there. SOG has some Yugos for $460, but that’s about it, outside of Gunbroker.
Conversely, I can get an AR just about anywhere.
More to think about.

I find private party purchase SKS on Armslist for the $350 range on a weekly basis. There is really no advantage to buying an SKS from a dealer.
 
You know there is a fad, maybe it has passed, converting AR's to 300 Blackout. I looked at the ballistics, and you push a 125 grain bullet to 2200 fps. Well, that is a less powerful cartridge than my 30-30, where I am pushing a 170 grain bullet, just at 2150 to 2200 fps. Standing amidst the poodle cartridges, my 30-30 is a cannon! The 7.62 X 39 pushes a 154 grain bullet at 2100 fps, which is just a little slower than a standard 150 grain bullet goes in the 30-30. So, when you get to either rifle, SKS or AR15, none of them are going to be more powerful than a 30-30, so it is hard to get excited about the things based on their cartridges.

Now if the SKS came in 308 Win, then that would be worth jumping around about. But, it does not.

There really isn’t a practical difference between 30-30 and 7.62x39 for deer sized game.
 
I would trade my clunker, mix-master, beat-up training AR with no accessories for 3 or 4 new SKS rifles. Seriously. Just save some $ and get a SKS at a pawn shop. But first, spend a little $ on a decent deer rifle.
 
Sks are still pouring put of China, just not to the US.

But they aren't still making them are they? Just curious...

(recommend steering clear of used commercial SKS as they had not-so-good reputations for durability back 30 years ago and probably haven't improved with age).

I've never seen a "commercial SKS," just mil surps that were put into "sporter" stocks before being sold.. If anyone ever made a "commercial" sks that is news to me.. I'd like to see a picture of one if they exist and someone has one to post...
 
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I've got a Yugo SKS, and wonder why I don't sell it. Maybe because I still have 500 rounds of ammo and nothing else that shoots 7.62x39. However, it is the last gun that I think about when planing a trip to the range.
 
I've got a Yugo SKS, and wonder why I don't sell it. Maybe because I still have 500 rounds of ammo and nothing else that shoots 7.62x39. However, it is the last gun that I think about when planing a trip to the range.

Same here with my Chinese SKS. I do keep it because it is the first firearm of any kind that I bought myself.
 
I have the one I bought for $75 back in '93. Another $75 bought 1,000 rounds. When I had to sell a lot of my "good" stuff to pay lawyers and such (bad divorce) I ended up keeping the SKS- because it wasn't worth anything. The next hunting season (could barely afford a license BTW) I paid $30 for a cheaper than dirt chinese 4x scope and mount. Put it together, zero'd it, and used it successfully as a deer rifle with Russian soft points for a couple years in Tn until I could get a better rifle.
 
HI all. A little background, first. I recently purchased a PSA middy rifle kit to go with the Anderson lower I had purchased a few months before that. I've built and fired a few ARs before, but couldn't really love them. They're cheap and light and modular, and uppers can be switched out for different calibers, etc. This is probably the practical option, especially when mounting optics is concerned.

I've had a few SKSs go through my hands over the last few years. Never fired any of them, but I really liked the feel. I remember a particular Yugo SKS that I really liked. Beautiful wood and steel. Internal mag. Grenade launcher. Smelled like Hoppes and stale cigarette smoke. Loads of character. But I have no experience with combloc weapons or the 762x39 round whatsoever.

Either one would necessarily be a range toy, a Wisconsin woods deer rifle, and an investment. I'm leaning towards trading my AR stuff for a nice SKS, but wanted to know what others think.

I have had both, and have had a lot of experience with both.

The SKS is reliable. In the past these were cheap guns, too. I bought one in 1999 or so for around $150 tops (which was considered expensive for an SKS back then), and that was a new Chinese (Norinco) SKS. These days they seem ridiculously overpriced, at least if the $400-600 range I just saw on Armslist is accurate. The SKS goes bang every time I've ever pulled the trigger on it, with good or bad ammunition. It's not an accurate gun, and it isn't an easy gun to modify. Sure, a lot of folks have thrown on new stocks and detachable magazines, but in most cases it seems like in doing so folks have also sacrificed on the one thing the SKS was good at: reliability. If you want an SKS, I'd urge you to keep it in stock configuration, at least based on what I've seen in the past.

The AR-15 is also reliable. As reliable? I don't know. But, I can tell you that I have at least one AR-15 with over 10,000 rounds through it without a single malfunction during shooting. After about 7 years I needed to replace a safety detent on this rifle, because the safety was sticking in the fire position. But, I will say that with the drills we do with our rifles at work, that rifle was probably flicked on and off of safety at least 20 times in any one qualification course. More often than not I see AR-15 reliability issues coming from one of two places: 1) bad magazines. This is probably 90% of the cases. 2) Bad modifications. Sometimes guys do goofy stuff to their AR-15's, and this can impact reliability.

Regardless, here are some other things the AR-15 has going for it: Accuracy, modularity, and ammo capacity, just to name a few.

In the accuracy department, an average AR-15 will best an average SKS any day of the week. With an AR-15 chosen for the purpose of accuracy, it will shoot like a match rifle.

In terms of modularity, you can set an AR-15 up pretty much however you want to: you can build a dead-nuts reliable rifle that is made to handle the rigors of combat and all weather conditions. You can build an ultra-light rifle for your young child or small wife to use. You can build a rifle for precision shooting. You can set one up for large game hunting, you can set one up for small game hunting. Heck, you can change out the components on any given rifle to change it into any of the configurations I've already mentioned.

In terms of ammo capacity, you're looking at a standard load of 30 rounds in a detachable magazine, versus the SKS's 10 round internal magazine (loaded via stripper clips). The AR15 is the clear winner here.


The rub in all of this is that the AR-15 isn't just a better rifle for most purposes, it's also potentially a cheaper rifle these days! When I bought the aforementioned SKS for maybe $150, AR-15's couldn't be found for less than $700-800. Today, I can build you a fully functioning AR-15 for less than $400, and that seems to be where the market is starting on the SKS these days.

Guns are always an individual preference thing, but for me I don't see many good arguments to recommend an SKS over an AR-15.
 
Overall, IMO, the AR is probably a better rifle. And the SKSs, now, at least the good ones, are going to cost you more
than your average low-end AR. AFAICT, the well has dried up, on inexpensive SKSs in VGC. They are reliable, a little heavy,
and come complete(or should) with a cleaning kit (in the buttstock) and cleaning rod. Mine eat any type of ammo you shove in
the mag. I agree, get a Russian.

At all costs, get matching serials, and be sure to stick with the internal 10 round mag.
 
...punching holes through car doors is better done with a 30.

But that is what the fourfifty Bushmaster, four fifty eight Socom and fifty Beowulf are for. Thirty is just for going quiet. ARs win!:D

I have a gaggle of Amish Machine guns, that I love. I know of zero people that would even care to shoot one at the range. But I like pump rifles, if the Troy california model AR wasn't so expensive I would have one just to put in with the seven sixties as a novelty!
Strangely, I have no pump shotguns. I prefer over/unders. There is just no accounting for taste.:)
 
As a guy who does most of his shooting offhand, I have a soft spot for the SKS.

-It's heavy, but it's well-balanced.

-Crap accuracy is kind of negated when you shoot offhand. You're not going to shoot 1 MOA groups offhand with irons anyway.

-Probably the toughest semi-auto I've ever seen - either that or the Garand. There's a certain heft to the SKS that commercial guns just don't have.

-The x39 has a bit of kick to it (I feel it after a box through my 5 1/2 pound CZ 527), but in a 9 pound SKS, it's nonexistent. I have one of those $10 rubber buttpads on it to help with the LOP, and with that on, the recoil feels like a 9mm carbine going off.

-I've never cleaned it and the gun just doesn't care. And it LOVES $5/box steel ammo.


Would I take an SKS over an AR, straight-up? Probably not, that AR accuracy is too good. But it's not that far behind in my book either. I could see it getting frustrating if you just shot it at paper off a bench, but plinking with it at 100 yards is a great time.

If you're thinking about investment, I guess it depends how optimistic you are about politics. On one hand, an SKS is a milsurp - they don't make 'em anyone, prices are only ever going to go up, and people tend to wig out and pay crazy prices once the supply starts drying up. On the other, if you don't have an AR, there's never been a better time to get one. Supply is plentiful and prices are near rock bottom, but that's never a guarantee to remain the same with midterm elections around the corner.

Me personally, I'd just build your AR kit. I love the SKS, but if you don't have an AR, you really need to own one.
 
I think I’ll stick with my AR build because accuracy is a thing.
The SKS has it all over the AR when it comes to aesthetics (imho), but that’s all moot if it’s just a bullet hose and not a useful weapon.
And I have a relative pittance into the AR kit and some mags and ammo; I doubt these things will ever be cheaper.
 
Wait until November 7th.

If the Democrats win the House or Senate your AR will be worth a lot more money. If the Dems win both the House and Senate they may pass a law banning importation of steel case ammunition and your AR will be worth a lot, lot more money and they will be impossible to find at a reasonable price. Losing cheap imported ammunition for the SKS make it much less appealing.

On the other hand if the Republicans keep control of Congress your AR and the SKS will still be what they are worth now so you will not loose anythig by waiting.

However if you get the SKS be sure to stock up on ammunition before November.

p.s In the interest of full disclosure I have a novice when it comes to the AR but I have come to love the platform.
 
Wait until November 7th.

If the Democrats win the House or Senate your AR will be worth a lot more money.

This is why I bought it in the first place. I don’t need an AR; hell, the box from PSA has been sitting there, unopened, for a month or two now. I have other guns for the range and for deer.
But I can read the tea leaves, and there is going to be some gun control in our near future. I remember $1000 entry-level ARs and bulk 22 ammo at ten cents per round, if you could find a scalper. $400 for an AR, even if I don’t plan on using it anytime soon, is just too good to pass up.

I suppose trading it for an SKS would be like selling low and buying high, as SKS prices have gone the other way.
 
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But they aren't still making them are they? Just curious...



I've never seen a "commercial SKS," just mil surps that were put into "sporter" stocks before being sold.. If anyone ever made a "commercial" sks that is news to me.. I'd like to see a picture of one if they exist and someone has one to post...

The SKS D and M were both commercial SKS. Some initial SKS D were built from surplus parts however the M was manufactured entirely for the commercial market. You can see my SKS Sporter that was entirely manufactured and marketed for the commercial export market in the United States. They utlize a short gas system, short barrel, AK-47 magazines and the bolt carrier has no notch for stripper clips.
 

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The SKS D and M were both commercial SKS. Some initial SKS D were built from surplus parts however the M was manufactured entirely for the commercial market. You can see my SKS Sporter that was entirely manufactured and marketed for the commercial export market in the United States. They utlize a short gas system, short barrel, AK-47 magazines and the bolt carrier has no notch for stripper clips.

Thanks for the reply and the picture.

I'm not familiar with the type D and M nomenclature. I've seen those before but didn't think they were originally manufactured with "commercial" intent. I thought Norico or the US importer just dropped un-issued military SKS receivers in "sporter" stocks thereby "sporterizing" them for the US market. I'll have to take a closer look at the markings on the receivers the next time I see one with a thumb-hole stock and AK mags....

According to Wyant Lamont and Stephen Fuller's book "Simonov SKS-45 Type Carbines" the Chinese did issue SKS's that took AK-47 mags to the Chinese Army. These are referred to as type 63 or type 68's. Chinese type 56's had the standard 10 rd box magazine. One of either the type 63 or 68 was select-fire but I don't remember which for certain, I think it was the type 68. The type 63 (I think) looks similar to yours but with a standard style SKS stock.
 

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I think I’ll stick with my AR build because accuracy is a thing.
The SKS has it all over the AR when it comes to aesthetics (imho), but that’s all moot if it’s just a bullet hose and not a useful weapon.
And I have a relative pittance into the AR kit and some mags and ammo; I doubt these things will ever be cheaper.

I agree with your decision on the AR build. Accuracy and parts support are important. I certainly wouldn't say an SKS is not useful though. Prior to the importation ban they were the best selling rifle in the US for a few years running. Its not a joke that Gun Digest had articles about it replacing the 30-30 lever gun as THE American deer rifle. And if you believed the negative news media hype of the time it was basically the Chuck Norris of the gun world LOL. Obviously this had a lot to do with price of both the gun and ammo driving rifle sales. Had we not clamped down on China who knows where we would be at today, especially since pre-AWB expiration the AR market was small.
 
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