Rock Island V 60?

This is a gun I do not need but I think it is a shotgun I'm going to buy. Most readers and posters here understand the issue. What I do need is opinions from people who have owned the gun or who have shot the gun extensively.

Should I buy one? Why?
Should I talk myself out of buying one? Why?

I could not stand it. After a long hunt to find a dealer with one in stock and even searching Gunbroker and Armslist to no avail, I found one and bought it!

I'm glad I don't like drugs and that I am very happily married. Being addicted to cigarettes and gun owning is enough.

I can't wait for it to arrive. If anyone is interested, I will discuss it here once I have had the chance to shoot it.

kudu said:

I guess what ever you are into, it certainly is a better looking AR style shotgun than others I have seen.

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I'm not sure what I am into buying this gun. I can't hunt with it. I can't shoot clays with it on any recognized field. It is just a lust after shooting someone else's.

cdb1 said:

You could hunt Natzi’s, chupacabra, zombies, coyote and turkey with it.

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I only hunt what I eat. Some of those would not be on my menu. The coyotes could be considered hunting but, as someone who raises sheep, I consider it elimination, not hunting.

Fiv3r said:

My issue with them is that as of a couple weeks ago, RIA didn't have magazines listed for sale on their site. I know this is a quality gun from Turkey, but since it only comes with one mag, I'm passing until I can get more.

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This gun is coming with two magazines from the factory. The gun I tried also came with two magazines and he had several non-factory 10 round magazines he had acquired separately. The larger magazines worked but they were awkward when in the gun.

Panzerschwein said:

Do any of these imported M4 style shotguns have factory magazines that hold more than 5 rounds? If not, what's the interest?

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Since I have just bought one, I guess I should be one of the people to respond.

First of all, fully loaded this gun holds six rounds which is about the same as most tactical 870s and 1100s or their Mossberg counterparts. But, the advantage is that the tactical reload is almost faster than even Jerry Miculek with his specially modified Mossburg. It certainly is faster for me.

Second, there are non-factory magazines that hold even more rounds that worked at least while I was at the range with my friend who already had one of these guns. In my opinion, the larger magazines made the gun awkward.

Third, this gun is very similar in many ways to an AR 10 in weight and balance and the running systems are very similar. Other than weight or balance it is also similar to the AR 15 which makes it a gun that operates very much like guns many people are familiar with.

Fourth, like many RIA guns, it works well without a lot of problems and it does it for a very inexpensive price. (Part of that is the interchangeable gas vent which allows everything from trap loads to 3" slugs to work every time. No compromise.)

Fifth, I like the idea that I could have one magazine loaded with slugs and another loaded with # 4 buckshot and maybe yet another magazine or two loaded with specialty loads.

Are there really good combat shotguns out there that hold many more rounds? Absolutely. Kel Tech has had one (KSG 25) on the market for about a year that holds 25 rounds of regular ammo and 41 rounds of Augula Mini Shells. It is a pump however rather than a semi auto. The The SRM Arms Model 1216 is semi automatic (sort of) and holds 16 rounds. Both are heavy as hell when fully loaded and have funky balance and the SRM requires lots of training to master. The KSG has a 30" barrel, which in my opinion, is too long for tactical situations. Both are well North of $1,000.00 which means you can buy two, possibly three, of this gun for the same money. The KSG Tactical (15 rounds) might be an option for some, but again, it is a pump and from my trying one along with a number of other people, was fairly easy to short stroke under stress.

In the end, we all end up liking different things for different reasons.

First (Limited) Report:The gun balances different in a way I am having trouble describing. It is a light gun (7.4 lbs empty) but feels heavier if you lift it by the fore end. From the handle it feels light. It handles more like my AR 10 than my AR 15. The trigger pull is a little heavier than I expected. (I haven't measured it yet but I will.) There is no doubt this gun will take some break in. Even loading the magazines takes some effort (and a trick) to load all five rounds. You have to watch that it strips the first round if you haven't loaded the chamber by hand. All of this seems like a brand new gun problem so I will report later after there are more rounds through the gun.

Partly, I think, because it is new it is very finicky about how the magazine is loaded and it take an extra effort to load it properly. You need to make sure to firmly push the shells all the way to the rear in order for them to cycle. The standard tap the back of the magazine will not work. I'm confident this will become easier when the magazine has a little more wear, but right now you have to actually look with each shell as there is a lot of resistance in the last 1/8" when using 2 3/4 " shells as opposed to 3" shells.

Without adjusting the sights we started out shooting old 33 1/3 records at 50 yards using the cylinder bore choke. I know I should have switched to a full choke but I was in a hurry. We were shooting light trap loads 7 1/2 shot (Winchester white box trap loads). I ran two magazines of 5 rounds and hit all ten records. My wife did the same and she hit six out of ten. The factory manual sights are very accurate for a shotgun. I would have no trepidations about using these sights with slug to hunt with. Her back hurt (not from the gun) and she was impatient to go hunt morels so we quit. We had three failures to eject out of 20 rounds which does not worry me with a brand new gun. I hadn't even cleaned of the factory grease and we were using very light loads.

Yesterday we were back to shoot trap and we offered to let others shoot the gun at some clays. One of our club's best shots, 87 years old, couldn't wait to shoot it. He only fired a couple of rounds and missed all the clays. His comment was he couldn't believe the recoil was almost non existent. Another of our better shooters broke the first bird and missed the rest. His wife, who normally averages around 13-15, broke the first three birds and missed the last two, after having to clear a failure to eject. All of this was with both the front and rear sight intact. I really didn't get a chance to use it as yesterday was particularly busy, but I'm planning on taking both sights off to try it as a trap gun. I may even put a red dot on it and just leave off the rifle sights unless and until I use it to hunt deer or hogs or such with slugs.

I need to run some 3" shells through the gun and plan to do that this week. We will see what the recoil is like after four boxes of heavy 3" shells and if that cures some of the buggy issues I believe to exist because the gun is brand new. I want to tear the gun down first, change the gas ring for heavy loads, and clean the shipping grease out of the gun before I do however. I will report more if anyone is interested.

If the cycling reliability problems cure with use I'm going to really like this gun for play and my wife will treasure it for her bedroom gun. After shooting it and looking it over, she said, "I may never have to shoot anyone with it because if they get a look at it they will **** their pants rather than even think of attacking me".