Home inspection by the VA, they asked about firearms.

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While there are as many VA tales as sea stories (the primary difference being that the latter begin with "This really happened to a buddy of mine..." and the former with "[Expletive] VA!!").

However, it being Utah, the grab bar dude* was probably just a 'good old boy' asking neighborly questions in an honest attempt to help.

Otherwise we are faced with having to assume the VA is competent enough to act with malice, which is rather a large leap of logic.
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*Folks who install grab bars are often small independent contractors. It takes very few of those jobs to insist on inspecting the location for the installation before even estimating the project. While there are a number of "good enough" wallboard anchors, and quite a few for installing over/through tile, it really helps to know which to put on the truck before going to the job. (I could tell of a pro bono job I took upon myself only to discover that the ceramic tile was not on thin set, but a full cementitious mortar bed over cementitious board that ate 6 carbide hole saws making 4 holes, and needing custom depth-anchor hardware.) Also, that pre-inspection can find other "mobility aid" possibilities which are inexpensive to add during the service call to offer the customer. It's not much of an upsell, but, if you are already there, an additional 30 or 45 minutes is pretty easy to justify.
 
hmm I just got a new eye glass prescription from the va. due to glaucoma I get yellow lenses in my glasses. I mentioned I shoot trap. she then made a call and I am now going to get poly lenses instead of plastic, must be a regional thing.
 
mjsdwash said:
if they are there to inspect for safety, I could see why they would want it bolted. Open the door on an average gunsafe, and its pretty quick to fall on its face. If that door open more than 90 degrees, if could easily kill someone.
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HUH? My safe door opens 180 degrees, isn't bolted down and doesn't move.
 
George P said:
HUH? My safe door opens 180 degrees, isn't bolted down and doesn't move.
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is your safe either a sheet metal locker, or a high quality heavy safe? The majority of dept store safes will easily tilt with the door open. Go to any bigger gunshop or sporting goods stores and you'll see signs all over them warning about tipping. I have moved several and they tipped. I still cant open a safe door without habitually moving my foot from the doors path because ten years ago when I was around safes a lot they would occasionally rock forward. Of course heavy safes don't, and bolted light safes don't. The only thing about 180 degrees is that the door wont act as a kickstand if all the way open.
 
imac98374 said:
I suspect they weren’t asking to be snarky/with ill-intent. Suicide is super common among service members, particularly post deployment. It was probably to assess risk for self harm. And no judgement on your son - they ask everyone. (Just like they ask about back pain, etc.)
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Most likely is the VA is laying the groundwork for future denial of benefits. Under a liberal anti-gun administration the V.A. will change the rules denying benefits to service members with certain illnesses unless they prove they do not own any firearms. They will simply research their data base and send out a denial based on previous reports.

It starts out simple. The big push now is for keeping firearms out of the hands of the mentally ill. For course there is no agreement within the medical community as to if certain types of mental ill will cause the person to commit a act of violence so they will arbitrarily blanket ban certain type of illnesses just to be on the safe side. Eventually everyone with PTSD will be not allowed to own guns if they want to receive V.A. (and eventually Soc. Sec, but that is another topic) benefits.

Going to talk to Daughter #1 about this as she is a disabled vet.
 
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mjsdwash said:
is your safe either a sheet metal locker, or a high quality heavy safe? The majority of dept store safes will easily tilt with the door open. Go to any bigger gunshop or sporting goods stores and you'll see signs all over them warning about tipping. I have moved several and they tipped. I still cant open a safe door without habitually moving my foot from the doors path because ten years ago when I was around safes a lot they would occasionally rock forward. Of course heavy safes don't, and bolted light safes don't. The only thing about 180 degrees is that the door wont act as a kickstand if all the way open.
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National Security, now owned by Liberty and their top-of-the-line models
 
Bolted down? Very necessary !!! I have my 600 pound safe bolted securely to the wall and floor!

Wouldn't want anybody to walk off with it......
 
CapnMac said:
Otherwise we are faced with having to assume the VA is competent enough to act with malice, which is rather a large leap of logic.
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And the FBI is a totally, non-political law enforcement agency commanded by honest, competent administrators that refuse to play any role in Presidential campaigns.

The AMA and many medical organizations are strongly anti-gun and the VA is first and foremost a medical organization.

In a survey done in 2015 by Pew Research Center only 19% of Americans trust the Federal Government to do what is right “just about always” (3%) or “most of the time” (16%).
 
BSA1 said:
I sure as heck wouldn't try to stop him. If he is strong enough to carry a 600 lb. safe by himself I am going to hold the door open for him! :what:
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Uhhhh.... I think you missed the sarcasm. Why would you need to bolt down something far too heavy to carry off in the first place?:D

I live near the Rock Island Arsenal. At Memorial Field they have a Sherman tank that was knocked out during the Battle of the Bulge. It is chained to the ground. Guess they don't want anyone to carry it off...
 
The latest is they will try to get you to give them a copy of your living will.
 
Why would you need to bolt down something far too heavy to carry off in the first place?
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Last time we moved, I paid someone to move my safe. Two guys with what appeared to be a pretty basic dolly did the job with no problems at all. If someone were to burglarize my house, not expecting to find a safe, I think it's a cinch they wouldn't be leaving with it even if it weren't bolted down. On the other hand, if they know they're looking for a safe, and come prepared (and if it weren't bolted down) they would have it out the door and in a truck in just a few minutes.
 
JohnKSa said:
Last time we moved, I paid someone to move my safe. Two guys with what appeared to be a pretty basic dolly did the job with no problems at all. If someone were to burglarize my house, not expecting to find a safe, I think it's a cinch they wouldn't be leaving with it even if it weren't bolted down. On the other hand, if they know they're looking for a safe, and come prepared (and if it weren't bolted down) they would have it out the door and in a truck in just a few minutes.
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Theres no way to really secure them. If the right thief shows up for it he will take it.
I have wheeled a liberty fat boy in and out of my home 3 times now on a dolly by myself. One time I just laid down cardboard to protect the wood floor and pushed it. I’m pretty confident any theif thats a big guy could probably rock any of the small safes enough to loosen any anchors. If not bring your 6’ pry bar and something will give.
If your rural they may just cut the wall out with a chainsaw or unscrew your tin off the wall if it’s in a locked shop. Some guys cleaned out a hardware store one night like that. Unscrewed the tin off the back wall and backed a trailer right in and filled it up with power tools and other expensive stuff.
 
I'm still curious about the VA connection. Do you live in a government-owned property? Do you have a VA mortgage on the home? I agree that their questions are overreach, but I don't understand why they are involved in the first place ...
 
OK, I am only going to comment on the home inspection the OP is concerned about. I have been a VA patient for many years, been a VA employee for the last 10 years. You, the OP, needs to contact your local VA Patient Advocate and REPORT THIS! Immediatly when they open in the morning. Here is why. The VA will likely be using a contractor to install your assistive devices in your home. These ARE NOT VA employees unless they show you thier federal ID. Having coordinated many grabs bars, ramps and other such things in veteran's homes, I can say they would never have to reason to ask for or evaluate anything related to firearms, not for grab bars, not at all. You sir, are being cased for a robbery. Start getting very loud and vocal. Hit the Patient Advicate's office, the VA Police (who are commisioned federal cops), the local Director's Office. Be VERY VOCAL and presistant. Report this, file what ever complaint paperwork they ask. You are not the only one. Something shisty is going down and it needs to be prevented.

Next, get on your family members. Doesn't matter who is asking, how nice they may be, how offcial they sound. Without giving you a warrant, you have no guns in your home, none, nadda, nothing. Never give a stranger any details.
 
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