We had a freezer at our campsite, but it took my son 2 hours to get back with it. Started skinning and were going to quarter it, but knives got too dull and my son had the remainingg knives and sharpener in the truck. Meanwhile, it was a heat wave and temps approached 90*, so when he got back, we just put the beast on the trailer, covered it with ice and booked it to the butcher, 3 hrs away. It worked out okay and we didn't lose any meat.
.270 vs .30-06 (POLL)
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bearman49709
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Jack O'Connor had nothing to do with developing the .270 Win , He just really liked the cartridge.
cdb1
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You are definitely correct.
mpd61
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I think he slept with a box under his pillow every night........
Garandimal
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At 65,000 PSI, the .270 WIN is a beltless magnum. It also has an optimum case capacity for slow rifle powers like 4831 with 130 to 150 gr. bullets.
The 150 gr. will give you enough penetration for Texas Heart shots on big muleys and white tails, and the excess energy that it expends on the countryside on better presentations just guarantees a good blood-trail.
Good hits count most, then penetration.
The .270 WIN facilitates both.
GR
The 150 gr. will give you enough penetration for Texas Heart shots on big muleys and white tails, and the excess energy that it expends on the countryside on better presentations just guarantees a good blood-trail.
Good hits count most, then penetration.
The .270 WIN facilitates both.
GR
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Art Eatman
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Back when Hogdon was selling surplus 4831 for $1 per pound, I used it in my .270. Fill the case, tap it to settle the powder, top it off and seat the bullet. Even with the compressed load, it was not maximum. A 130-grain bullet at maybe 2,800 or at most 2,900.
sage5907
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The powders that we have today that are somewhat like that old military surplus 4831 are Reloader 22 and IMR 7828. I never used magnum primers with the military surplus 4831 but using magnum primers is common today with the slower burning powders. One of those old shiney silver rectangular canisters that Hodgdon used to package military surplus 4831 powder would last many months.
someguy2800
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4831 works great in 25-06 but I found best results in the 270 with slightly faster powers than 4831. IMR4350, RL17 work great. RL19 is even a bit on the slow side.
What kind of terrain/conditions do you experience in Wisconsin that might affect your choice between a .270 Win and .30-06? If it's wooded and shots are limited to about 200 yards, the '06 would be a good choice. If it's more open and you may have to shoot quickly at longer distances, the .270's trajectory gives it a bit of a nod.
Garandimal
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IMR 4831 works great in the .270 WIN., from 130 to 150 gr., 58.0 to 55.0 grains.
CCI #200 large rifle primers and the bullets set one turn off the lands.
Speer flat base Hot-Cor for practice, Nosler Partitions for the field. Both shoot very small groups and in the same location, even at range, so one sighting per weight is all that is required.
GR
CCI #200 large rifle primers and the bullets set one turn off the lands.
Speer flat base Hot-Cor for practice, Nosler Partitions for the field. Both shoot very small groups and in the same location, even at range, so one sighting per weight is all that is required.
GR
I've killed deer with .22-250 Rem, 30-06, .243, 20 gauge slug and .270 Win. Kills with the .270 Win were more spectacular and greater distances than any of the others.
The .280 is also quite a good deer killer, perhaps better than either the .30-06 and .270 Win, due to trajectory and long-range performance. Short range performance is also about as good as the '06. Too bad more people don't recognize it's potential.
The .280 is also quite a good deer killer, perhaps better than either the .30-06 and .270 Win, due to trajectory and long-range performance. Short range performance is also about as good as the '06. Too bad more people don't recognize it's potential.
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Yes! I am glad you said that about Jack O'Connor - he was wrong about many things! For years I remember reading in Outdoor Life about
Jack OConnor's ideas, and although I believed everything he said back then, I've learned to think for myself and not be so gullible since.
Jack O'Connor was obsessed that the 270 and the 222 mag were the best hunting rifles in the world. Which certainly isn't true.
And he kept worrying about the 22 Hornet not being popular with hunters. When now, it is obvious to me that the 243 was just a better gun.
Jack OConnor's ideas, and although I believed everything he said back then, I've learned to think for myself and not be so gullible since.
Jack O'Connor was obsessed that the 270 and the 222 mag were the best hunting rifles in the world. Which certainly isn't true.
And he kept worrying about the 22 Hornet not being popular with hunters. When now, it is obvious to me that the 243 was just a better gun.
cdb1
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I hardly ever see it mentioned but O’Connor was a fan of the 7x57 and admitted the 30-06 was an excellent cartridge.
DM~
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It's one of my all time fav cartridges...
I shot caribou, bear and a lot of deer with mine, in fact I plan to take it out this fall, as I haven't used it in quite a few years...
DM
What were the "many things" was he wrong about, keeping in mind the time in which he lived?
Had the US military adopted Springfield Armory/Remington's 222 mag, instead of ArmaLite/Remington's very similar, ballistic twin the 223/5.56, the 222mag would probably be one of the most popular cartridges in the world right now.
If a hunter were only allowed 2 rifles to hunt all of the varmints, predators and big game in North America he could do very well with just the .270 and the .222 Mag or it's twin the 223/5.56. I don't recall Mr. O'Connor being fanatical about the 222 mag like he was about the 270 but I think he knew a good thing when he saw it and in general knew what he was talking about. And, like I said before, I'm really a 30/06 guy....
The 243 is certainly better than the 22 Hornet at some things while certainly not better than the Hornet at others... You're comparing apples and oranges here...
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Anybody else think that Jack O'Connor wouldn't have been as famous if he'd championed the 30-06? His wild (or not so wild) claims for the .270 made him a point of light in an otherwise dull era of post-military rifle salvage/conversions. Guys could buy springfields and U.S. Enfields and either re-barrel to other chamberings, or just use clean them up and use them as-is. Gun magazines were rife with ads for surplus military guns in various NRA conditions for about $20 or so.
Lots of guys bought Bishop or Fajen semi-finished blanks, drilled and tapped receivers, installed Weaver 2.5 or 4X scopes and shot the snot out of them, often with military surplus ammo. Jack's words inspired lots of people, including myself, to get into rifle improvement/shooting/hunting.
I chose to go with the '06 back then and used it for varmint hunting in preparation for deer hunting/shooting. I was 15 when I bought my first centerfire and learned how to glass-bed and work a stock blank into a nice sporter. I look back and remember the joy of shooting my first woodchucks with that rifle. It was a fun time for a high school kid who loved guns.
Lots of guys bought Bishop or Fajen semi-finished blanks, drilled and tapped receivers, installed Weaver 2.5 or 4X scopes and shot the snot out of them, often with military surplus ammo. Jack's words inspired lots of people, including myself, to get into rifle improvement/shooting/hunting.
I chose to go with the '06 back then and used it for varmint hunting in preparation for deer hunting/shooting. I was 15 when I bought my first centerfire and learned how to glass-bed and work a stock blank into a nice sporter. I look back and remember the joy of shooting my first woodchucks with that rifle. It was a fun time for a high school kid who loved guns.
I agree, you associate Jack O'Connor with the 270 Win. He found his niche.
Askins was a gunwriter who deliberately took controversial positions:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/lounge/376192-charles-askins-jr.html
I just spent about an hour looking for one of his articles where Askins "proved" the 30-06 was obsolete. It was one of those "poke the reader in the eye with a stick" articles. He claimed the 300 H&H was a better target round, because in 1935 , Ben Comfort won the 1000 yard match with the thing. Now Ben did a great job, no doubt, but I read in a NRA publication that the number two guy was shooting a M1903 service rifle, and Ben won by V's. Hey a win is a win, but that did not prove that the 300 H&H was a better target round. I have a 300 H&H pre 64 M70, it shoots well, very well. It also kicks. The velocity increase of the 300 H&H, with the same bullet, does not make a huge difference in wind drift. (Going from a 30 cal to a 6.5, huge difference in wind drift) The 30-06 was the far more popular round until the 308 Win came out, and then, it still took about a decade for the 308 to replace the 30-06. The 30-06 kicks more. Shoots well, but in target shooting, recoil does not win matches.
cdb1
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From what I’ve read, O’Connor wasn’t the nicest person out there. I don’t think I would have liked him. I’ve also read just about everything he has written and it speaks to me. I really like what he has to say about shotguns.
On the other hand I believe I would have liked Elmer Keith but didn’t buy in to much of his writing.
This thread is somewhat analogous to, “O’Connor vs Keith”, to me.
On the other hand I believe I would have liked Elmer Keith but didn’t buy in to much of his writing.
This thread is somewhat analogous to, “O’Connor vs Keith”, to me.
His love of the 270 made him a bit more unique but even if he stuck to shooting a 30/06 (he did use one quite a bit) like so many others during that time I think he still would have been very notable. He had several things really going for him; quite a lot of hunting experience and the fact that he really was a good writer who could tell a story...... He made the reader, or at least this reader, feel like they were almost there with him.........
When I was a kid in about the 6th or 7th grade I found several years worth of my Dad's old Outdoor Life magazines from the 60's buried in the closet. I read and re-read O'Connor's articles until the magazines fell apart. That did it for me, I was hooked on guns and hunting... I remember being disappointed to learn that by the time I had discovered O'Connor he had recently passed. Since then I've read most of his books, collections and bought lots of vintage OL mags just to read his articles...
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DM~
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I once had a friend who grew up a few houses down from O'Connor, he said O'Connor was a pretty nice guy but was pretty much a drunk...
Keith was the one that exaggerated heavily and most in his writing! Some of it to the point that it didn't make any sense at all... He worked for P.O. Ackley for a time, from what Parker told me, he didn't think much of Keith and considered him to be kinda looney...
I liked reading both, but I saw through Keith's BS fairly quickly...
DM
Keith was the one that exaggerated heavily and most in his writing! Some of it to the point that it didn't make any sense at all... He worked for P.O. Ackley for a time, from what Parker told me, he didn't think much of Keith and considered him to be kinda looney...
I liked reading both, but I saw through Keith's BS fairly quickly...
DM
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Given the two choices, definitely .270. It's a white tail. The extra recoil of the .30-06 buys you nothing. The .270 is good for mule dear and acceptable for elk, so there's no problem taking it out west if the opportunity presents itself.
Of the four common US full power hunting calibers (.30-06, .308, .270 and 7mm Mag) the .30-06 is far and away the least useful, combining high recoil of the 7mm mag with the poor ballistics of the .308 and offering the hunter nothing in return that any of the other three can't do.
Of the four common US full power hunting calibers (.30-06, .308, .270 and 7mm Mag) the .30-06 is far and away the least useful, combining high recoil of the 7mm mag with the poor ballistics of the .308 and offering the hunter nothing in return that any of the other three can't do.
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