Chicago (and nearby cities) pistol mag cap restrictions?

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I've tried Googling this subject, and there seems to be a lot of confusion about it...... prior Chicago mag cap restrictions, overturned by some new Illinois pre-emotion law, but..... maybe not? I'll be traveling to Illinois (in general) and Chicago (specifically) in the near future, and trying to decide whether to be packing my 12 shot S&W M6906 9mm or just take my 8 shot M3913. (They are my two most commonly used CCW guns.) Any Chicago folks that can explain the mag capacity restrictions in Illinois (generally) and Chicago and surrounding areas (specifically)?
 
Well, I went to that site, and it talks about permit reciprocity (which I'm not concerned about) but it mentions nothing about mag capacity restrictions in Chicago and surrounding areas. And Googling the topic only brings up a confusing bunch of often contradictory info. Thats why I'm hoping that someone on here from Chicago can give some accurate information on mag capacity restrictions since the Illinois state pre-emption law - as it relates to mag capacity restrictions - went into effect.
 
You will find the app. CCW helpful in a lot of ways, although not specific to your question. Chicago and the towns of Cook Co. make up their own rules which are generally challenged in court. It's a mess, even with what knives are legal depending on what town you're in.
In the app. there is a magazine/tactical rifle section with a list of towns that I would avoid.
 
The way i understand the law is that the new ccw law preempts local laws. I live in dupage county( right next to cook county/chicago) and travel in those areas all the time. My ccw only has 8 rd mag but i wouldnt worry if it had more.

Of course you should keep searching for a definitive answer... this is just my understanding.
 
25-5, can you tell me what the actual name of that CCW app is? When I search it in the App Store, I get multiple hits/suggestions. Thanks.

You will find the app. CCW helpful in a lot of ways, although not specific to your question. Chicago and the towns of Cook Co. make up their own rules which are generally challenged in court. It's a mess, even with what knives are legal depending on what town you're in.
In the app. there is a magazine/tactical rifle section with a list of towns that I would avoid.
 
CCW - Concealed Carry 50 State Guide
by Workman Consulting LLC
 
OP, why are you not worried about reciprocity if you live outside of Illinois but yet are worried about mag capacity? Do you have an IL out of state permit? Is there such a thing? Just trying to follow your line of thought.
 
OP, why are you not worried about reciprocity if you live outside of Illinois but yet are worried about mag capacity? Do you have an IL out of state permit? Is there such a thing? Just trying to follow your line of thought.
As a guess he's worried about being busted for possession. If 10+ (or whatever) mags aren't allowed then you don't want one in your possession even if you aren't carrying a concealed gun.
 
OP, why are you not worried about reciprocity if you live outside of Illinois but yet are worried about mag capacity? Do you have an IL out of state permit? Is there such a thing? Just trying to follow your line of thought.

Retired LEO ("HR218")..... but that law does not exempt from mag capacity restrictions, still must adhere to those. So when I travel to places like HI, MA, NY, etc, I usually take a revolver or my 8-shot S&W M3913, instead of my normal EDC 12-shot S&W M6906. Chicago is a bit unusual in that they used to have a mag capacity restriction, but it was (supposedly?) overturned by an Illinois state pre-emption statute in the not too distant past. However, my Googling resulted in some conflicting info on whether or not that State pre-emption statute actually managed to overturn Chicago's mag capacity restriction. I'm leaning towards just taking my 8-shot, but was just curious if there were any Chicagoans on here who were watching this issue more closely and had first hand knowledge about it.
 
http://library.amlegal.com/nxt/gate...tes$fn=default.htm$3.0$vid=amlegal:chicago_il

8-20-010 Definitions.
For purposes of this chapter the following terms shall apply:
“High capacity magazine” means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device, including any such device joined or coupled with another in any manner, that has an overall capacity of more than 15 rounds of ammunition. A “high capacity magazine” does not include an attached tubular device to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

8-20-085 High capacity magazines and certain tubular magazine extensions – Sale and possession prohibited – Exceptions.
(a) It is unlawful for any person to carry, possess, sell, offer or display for sale, or otherwise transfer any high capacity magazine or tubular magazine extension for a shotgun. This section shall not apply to corrections officers, members of the armed forces of the United States, or the organized militia of this or any other state, and peace officers, to the extent that any such person is otherwise authorized to acquire or possess a high capacity magazine or tubular magazine extension for a shotgun, and is acting within the scope of his duties, or to any person while in the manufacturing, transportation or sale of high capacity magazines or tubular magazine extension for a shotgun to people authorized to possess them under this section.
(b) Any high capacity magazine or tubular magazine extension for a shotgun carried, possessed, displayed, sold or otherwise transferred in violation of this section is hereby declared to be contraband and shall be seized by and forfeited to the city.
 
+1 Ilbob is correct, Chi proper is 15 rds. Aurora is also 15 rds. That is about it. if the limit didn't pre-date the CCW law by a certain deadline localities may not pass new restrictions (although Deerfield is trying to do so---this is now in court and has an injunction in place for now). If you have your creds for HB 218 carry you'll be fine. There are no restrictions on carry ammo either, except a ban on actual armor piercing (ie. non-lead or copper ammo, such as tungsten, steel, aluminum,etc). Chicago's gun laws are so unclear because apart from a fairly tame AWB they are now rescinded or struck down by court ruling. The situation has been up-in-the-air for so long now no gun retailers currently sell in the city and most online dealers won't ship hardly anything to Cook County/Chicago. But as said, except for the AWB and 15 rd limit lawful CCW folks need not worry. IL has a "safe harbor" law that allows you to stow a weapon in your vehicle in any parking lot if you can't carry it with you or don't want to as well, part of the CCW law as passed. There is an official no guns sign (a 92F with a no entry sign) that businesses can post if they wish to not allow lawful CCWs. I understand your concern, but IL is not nearly as gun-unfriendly as it has a reputation for. Have a safe trip!
 
IL has a "safe harbor" law that allows you to stow a weapon in your vehicle in any parking lot if you can't carry it with you or don't want to as well, part of the CCW law as passed.

Unless the law has been changed the "safe harbor" provision only applies to people with an Illinois concealed carry license. As best I can tell it has not changed.


(430 ILCS 66/65)
Sec. 65. Prohibited areas.
(a) A licensee under this Act shall not knowingly carry a firearm on or into:
...
(b) Notwithstanding subsections (a), (a-5), and (a-10) of this Section except under paragraph (22) or (23) of subsection (a), any licensee prohibited from carrying a concealed firearm into the parking area of a prohibited location specified in subsection (a), (a-5), or (a-10) of this Section shall be permitted to carry a concealed firearm on or about his or her person within a vehicle into the parking area and may store a firearm or ammunition concealed in a case within a locked vehicle or locked container out of plain view within the vehicle in the parking area. A licensee may carry a concealed firearm in the immediate area surrounding his or her vehicle within a prohibited parking lot area only for the limited purpose of storing or retrieving a firearm within the vehicle's trunk. For purposes of this subsection, "case" includes a glove compartment or console that completely encloses the concealed firearm or ammunition, the trunk of the vehicle, or a firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container.

Incidentally, it appears to me that in a legalistic way, which is to say what the law actually says, the safe harbor provision only applies at locations where you cannot legally carry on your license. However, you might well be covered under other provisions of the transportation of firearms laws.

As you mentioned he cannot legally carry where there are posted signs, or in government buildings, or local parks, or forest preserves in Cook County. He can carry in state parks and forest preserves not in Cook County as long as he does not go into a building.
 
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Unless the law has been changed the "safe harbor" provision only applies to people with an Illinois concealed carry license. As best I can tell it has not changed.

Well, you got me on that with respect to the particular language...I had missed that. In msmp5's case of course he's claiming LEOSA privilege which entitles him to broad exceptions respecting where he is allowed to carry as well compared to an IL CCW holder. For the particulars he'll decide what he is comfortable doing. I am curious then if the 'safe harbor' law would apply to out-of-state holders who are permitted to have their ccw only in/about their car. The statute specifies '"licensee", which is just inclusive enough to make me wonder. For msmp5 this is all mostly academic apart from the mag limits.


Incidentally, it appears to me that in a legalistic way, which is to say what the law actually says, the safe harbor provision only applies at locations where you cannot legally carry on your license. However, you might well be covered under other provisions of the transportation of firearms laws.

As you mentioned he cannot legally carry where there are posted signs, or in government buildings, or local parks, or forest preserves in Cook County. He can carry in state parks and forest preserves not in Cook County as long as he does not go into a building.
 
Well, I went to that site, and it talks about permit reciprocity (which I'm not concerned about) but it mentions nothing about mag capacity restrictions in Chicago and surrounding areas. And Googling the topic only brings up a confusing bunch of often contradictory info. Thats why I'm hoping that someone on here from Chicago can give some accurate information on mag capacity restrictions since the Illinois state pre-emption law - as it relates to mag capacity restrictions - went into effect.

Illinois has NO reciprocity. If you live in a bordering state ONLY, you can apply for a non resident permit once you have met the training requirement, and had your fingerprints taken and recorded at an Illinois approved facility. The permit covers one handgun and one switchblade carried at a time.

Where you may be getting confused is guns that are not carried, but possessed. The crazy aspect is that carry guns are covered by state law, but non carry guns may be subject to regulations passed prior to the implementation of the concealed carry laws. Those laws are a crazy quilt and difficult for any resident to track. Carry guns - meaning a single handgun at a time - are covered by the act and there is no limitation by caliber or magazine size. That does not mean bullpups or other workarounds.

Illinois carry laws are not as liberal as other states, and Chicago law enforcement are not happy with civilian carriers so they are looking for a chance to arrest you. Be Careful

There are also many, many places, that civilian carriers are not allowed to carry guns or store guns in their vehicles. LEOSA carriers have different rules set forth in federal law.
 
Retired LEO ("HR218")..... but that law does not exempt from mag capacity restrictions, still must adhere to those. So when I travel to places like HI, MA, NY, etc, I usually take a revolver or my 8-shot S&W M3913, instead of my normal EDC 12-shot S&W M6906. Chicago is a bit unusual in that they used to have a mag capacity restriction, but it was (supposedly?) overturned by an Illinois state pre-emption statute in the not too distant past. However, my Googling resulted in some conflicting info on whether or not that State pre-emption statute actually managed to overturn Chicago's mag capacity restriction. I'm leaning towards just taking my 8-shot, but was just curious if there were any Chicagoans on here who were watching this issue more closely and had first hand knowledge about it.


Thanks, makes all the sense in the world now.
 
...If you live in a bordering state ONLY, you can apply for a non resident permit once you have met the training requirement, and had your fingerprints taken and recorded at an Illinois approved facility. The permit covers one handgun and one switchblade carried at a time...

This is *totally* inaccurate, and readers are advised to look at the statutes for themselves.
 
This is *totally* inaccurate, and readers are advised to look at the statutes for themselves.

I'm not sure what is not accurate, but I am not an attorney either.

Here is a link which might help on local ordinances: https://www.ispfsb.com/Public/Firearms/MunicipalOrdinances.aspx

Here is the Act on concealed carry: http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=3497&ChapterID=39

Regarding which states ISP (by rule and letters of advisement) will issue non resident permits to I can only say that to the best of my knowledge they have only issued less than 60 non resident permits and early in 2017 revoked many of those on the basis that their states of residence did not conform to current ISP standards. The states I listed were from the most current information I had access to. This could have changed. For many reasons ISP is not very responsive to either correspondence or telephone calls inquiring on anything related to concealed carry. I intend to get direct confirmation of what states are currently on their list next week by an in person visit to their HQ and will report what I find here.
 
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I'm not sure what is not accurate, but I am not an attorney either.

Here is a link which might help on local ordinances: https://www.ispfsb.com/Public/Firearms/MunicipalOrdinances.aspx

Here is the Act on concealed carry: http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=3497&ChapterID=39

Regarding which states ISP (by rule and letters of advisement) will issue non resident permits to I can only say that to the best of my knowledge they have only issued less than 60 non resident permits and early in 2017 revoked many of those on the basis that their states of residence did not conform to current ISP standards. The states I listed were from the most current information I had access to. This could have changed. For many reasons ISP is not very responsive to either correspondence or telephone calls inquiring on anything related to concealed carry. I intend to get direct confirmation of what states are currently on their list next week by an in person visit to their HQ and will report what I find here.

Nonresident licenses are available only to residents of a very short list of states that ISP has deemed to have background checks and training substantially the same as does Illinois - it has nothing to do with adjoining states. And from my reading of statute a FCCL holder has no limitation on the number of weapons carried at one time, but having multiples will probably result in the stink eye from an upstate cop.
 
"Chicago law enforcement are not happy with civilian carriers so they are looking for a chance to arrest you."


And this bold, over-the-top generalization is based on WHAT exactly? CPD leadership may make political bluster about concealed carry in the media but that is all it is.
 
Nonresident licenses are available only to residents of a very short list of states that ISP has deemed to have background checks and training substantially the same as does Illinois - it has nothing to do with adjoining states. And from my reading of statute a FCCL holder has no limitation on the number of weapons carried at one time, but having multiples will probably result in the stink eye from an upstate cop.

Preliminary information (not officially verified) from someone who should know more than I do stated that the only states ISP is currently accepting non resident applications from are: Arkansas, Mississippi, Texas and Virginia. I still plan to verify this directly with ISP before I state it as fact.

I also intend to clarify the number of firearms a CCL entitles one to carry. My wife carries and I have telling her to limit herself to one firearm and she would rather carry more than one as I do.
 
My wife carries and I have telling her to limit herself to one firearm and she would rather carry more than one as I do.

You guys must visit some rough, "two gun" areas! Ever since I retired, I almost never carry more than one gun anymore. The only exception are my occasional visits to Compton, which is - always has been - Two Gun Territory!
 
You guys must visit some rough, "two gun" areas! Ever since I retired, I almost never carry more than one gun anymore. The only exception are my occasional visits to Compton, which is - always has been - Two Gun Territory!
Old habits die hard.:cool:
 
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