Corpral_Agarn
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My original point was regarding untrained individuals, not trained soldiers or spec ops dudes.
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Got it. Its an interesting conversation. My guess is that based on what I have seen on the range with untrained or poorly trained individuals, is that its hard to predict what may happen when its for real. Just like any high-risk activity, expect disastrous results, but unpredictable things happen sometimes.
Old Dog
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What I find somewhat interesting is that it seems most of the intruders/home-invaders/burglars who end up getting shot by homeowners are running into average citizens who typically have zero training. Here was a recent local case:
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...80-kills-intruder-after-he-stabs-her-husband/
http://komonews.com/news/local/im-not-just-the-typical-granny-80-year-old-shoots-kills-intruder
Note that she stated she'd only actually fired the gun once before. And this is not unusual. We (us Puget Sound area inhabitants) seem to have had a fairly significant number of criminals fired upon by armed homeowners/renters/store clerks or owners over the past two or three years -- and the reporting frequently noted, or one could read between the lines, that the armed citizen was often untrained.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...80-kills-intruder-after-he-stabs-her-husband/
http://komonews.com/news/local/im-not-just-the-typical-granny-80-year-old-shoots-kills-intruder
Note that she stated she'd only actually fired the gun once before. And this is not unusual. We (us Puget Sound area inhabitants) seem to have had a fairly significant number of criminals fired upon by armed homeowners/renters/store clerks or owners over the past two or three years -- and the reporting frequently noted, or one could read between the lines, that the armed citizen was often untrained.
Vern Humphrey
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Why am I not surprised?
Training is my business, and I was in the Army's Training Revolution from the git-go. And I have said many times, "Training is a SOLUTION. Before we go tooting a solution, we ought to have a PROBLEM -- and ideally the proposed solution should be somehow related to the problem."
Again and again, I have pointed out some states have Constitutional Carry (no training or license required) and some have very stringent training requirements. And no one can show a difference! The stringent training requirements do not produce fewer accidents or more successful defense uses of firearms.
MedWheeler
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Vern Humphrey writes:
I agree. If anything, training (or at least, the interest many of us here have) may even reduce the number of DGUs among us, as we tend more to avoid potential scenarios in the first place, such as by hardening our homes, utilizing better situational awareness, and just being in more overall command of our personal situations, and the "layers" that would have to be breached before a gun would even come into play.
I also agree that it doesn't do much to reduce accidents. We who train handle our firearms more. That alone puts us at a higher risk than someone who has a .38 in a sock drawer that never sees the light of day, even though that "someone" seems to be who we hear about more often successfully thwarting a criminal attack with it.
I agree. If anything, training (or at least, the interest many of us here have) may even reduce the number of DGUs among us, as we tend more to avoid potential scenarios in the first place, such as by hardening our homes, utilizing better situational awareness, and just being in more overall command of our personal situations, and the "layers" that would have to be breached before a gun would even come into play.
I also agree that it doesn't do much to reduce accidents. We who train handle our firearms more. That alone puts us at a higher risk than someone who has a .38 in a sock drawer that never sees the light of day, even though that "someone" seems to be who we hear about more often successfully thwarting a criminal attack with it.
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