Remington Bid Rejected

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The Navajos don't need to buy Remington or any other gun manufacturer, they have $3.3 billion that would easily finance the establishment of their own firearms factory. If they build a quality product there will be customers to buy it, civilian or military/police. As far as smart gun technology, give me a break, that technology/fantasy only exists in the minds of snowflake anti-gun zealots that have as much knowledge about guns as I do about nuclear physics. Their business plan is doomed before it starts.
 
It sounds like a clueless plan. They want to ditch the AR-15 and handguns yet focus on police and military contracts... That's hilarious. What do they think the majority of firearms that police and military buy?

Smart gun technology... That'll be well received by people who hate guns!
 
What guns do they offer that anybody really wants? The 700 used to be the flagship but it has been hobbled by trigger problem publicity and prices have dropped. The 1100 used to be a great gun for clay games, and the Vmax has kinda fell into that category but it’s not as strongly represented. The 870 is still a tank, but it’s a $300 shotgun in a sea of decent $200 shotguns. R15 is just another AR. The pistols are nothing special. The rimfires are cheap and junky but they work so there is a bit of a positive.

So...rifles, rimfire is blah. Centerfire falls short to several others.
Then shotguns...pumps are great but at a 50% premium over similar guns. Autos are tied with many others.
And pistols...poly frame guns are troublesome and the 1911 market is flooded. Who really wants a 7 shot heavy gun in a sea of 18 shot lightweight guns...especially when your not a premium maker.

They need to be innovating somehow. And they need to find a way to get something at the top of the heap.

I agree, to a degree :D but what Remington needs is focus. As another poster mentioned above, if I ran Remington, I'd close down the fire arms production and concentrate on ammunition production. I'd produce ammo, good solid, quality ammo at a reasonable price. I'd let the sale of ammo finance my restructuring of the firearms side of the business.

I'd retool or new tool and start production on just 2-3 platforms. For example, I'd continue production on the shotgun 870, it's a bread-and-butter shotgun and it can be a reliable source of income for the company. Then I'd produce one hunting rifle in a few different popular calibers. Just make sure it's a quality rifle, that is sold at a reasonable price, with a good trigger, and people will buy it. Then I'd produce one pistol, I'd go with a semi auto, 1911 based pistol with a high capacity magazine. Again, good quality, reasonable price. The point is to start selling again by offering 3 products (shotgun, rifle, pistol) that appeal to gun enthusiasts.

Don't worry about producing an AR15 platform gun. Don't worry about producing anything new or amazing or cutting edge. Just start producing good to high quality guns at--and here is the key--reasonable prices. Prices that a gun enthusiast will say, "yah, I'll buy that, it's a great gun and I can definitely afford it."

Let the ammo finance the gun production, then when the gun production is operating in the black (may take 5 years) then take any surplus money and invest it into R&D. Also, I'd start looking for a partner at this time, that is, once both the ammunition and firearms production are stable and lucrative, I'd start looking to merge with another producer like, I dunno, Stag Arms? This will be an entry into the semi-auto rifle market.

Anyhoo, my .2cents
 
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Sounds like if this deal had gone through it would have been Remington's last stand.
 
Thirty years ago, I bought a second-hand 700 in .243 and I still have it. Unfortunately, I have not been able to use it for hunting as Illinois is "shotgun only" on deer.
When I started using factory ammo (100 gr. PSPs), the hits were all over the paper. So I worked up loads for three different bullet weights and got this beauty to put 7 rounds in about a 1.5" x 2" arc at 200 yds. That was good enough for me.

Now, I have NOT done anything about the trigger as I'm aware of it. I also had an AD about 2-3 years after I got the gun that put a hole in the side of my truck. I had lain the gun down on the passenger seat as I prepared to unload it. I opened the bolt, possibly a bit roughly as I palmed the handle upwards in a "swipe" instead of holding the knob. For whatever reason, the gun fired inside the truck's cab, deafening me and putting a hole in the pillar behind the driver's door. Ever since, I have handled this gun more carefully. It was also after that incident that I learned of the trigger problems on 700s.
Will I get rid of this gun? Hell NO !! It is the most accurate rifle I have with the greatest ability to "reach out and touch someone", possibly as far as 300 yds., but definately at 200 yds. :D
 
I agree, to a degree :D but what Remington needs is focus. As another poster mentioned above, if I ran Remington, I'd close down the fire arms production and concentrate on ammunition production. I'd produce ammo, good solid, quality ammo at a reasonable price. I'd let the sale of ammo finance my restructuring of the firearms side of the business.

Er...you probably have not noticed that ammunition sales are really flat and some places are such as SGAmmo are selling it at a loss.

I'd retool or new tool and start production on just 2-3 platforms. For example, I'd continue production on the shotgun 870, it's a bread-and-butter shotgun and it can be a reliable source of income for the company.

Then I'd produce one hunting rifle in a few different popular calibers. Just make sure it's a quality rifle, that is sold at a reasonable price, with a good trigger, and people will buy it.

What makes you think what I like is the same as what you like? I am not going to be forced into buying something I do not like just because that is the only gun you make.

Then I'd produce one pistol, I'd go with a semi auto, 1911 based pistol with a high capacity magazine. Again, good quality, reasonable price.

Yawn. Just what the market needs. ANOTHER 1911 handgun. Not able to be used comfortably by most women and not suitable for general conceal carry.

Don't worry about producing an AR15 platform gun.

Springfield Armory seems to be doing well with their Saint series rifles and handguns.

Don't worry about producing anything new or amazing or cutting edge.

Boring. Failure to reach out to new markets and consumers. You are not going to grow by remaining in the past. The MSR (AR) proves that.

Anyhoo, my .2cents

That is about all you will have left with your business plan. :(
 
They need innovation. Like a special Remington 700 to compete with the GSR. Or late to the game with a precision rifle. What about a Remington Revolver?
I like the idea. Who doesn't love the 1858 and introducing a modern, precision CNC'd double action of their own design would definitely raise some interest. However, the profit margin and sales volume have to improve substantially and while higher-end guns can easily profile a company, the money has to be made somehow.
 
Are there any other entities that are trying to put together a business plan for purchasing Remington? Hopefully there would be others with some serious interest in Remington.
 
As long as Remington doesn't get a bailout, compliments of the tax payers, I don't care what happens.
If the company isn't sold as a whole, the rights to patents and products that are profitable will be.
 
I guess we'll see where Remington ends up.

My guess is it will end up as nothing more than a name on a firearm built off shore like Winchester.
 
Another capital management company may be interested in buying, from what a friend at Remington says.
That would not be good.
Denis
 
Cerberus handed Remington over to the bankers: Remington is owned by it's creditors. IMO: The bankers will sell Remington off ASAP.

"Cerberus will have no equity in the firearms manufacturer, according to the restructuring agreement paving the way for court protection. First-lien lenders will receive the bulk of the ownership, 82.5 percent, in what’s being called “Reorganized Remington.” The remainder will fall to third-lien note holders."

Read Newsmax: Cerberus Hands Gunmaker to Wall Street Creditors at Tense Moment | Newsmax.com

https://www.newsmax.com/finance/str...r-wall-street-creditors/2018/02/27/id/845748/
 
Cerberus being out is old news.
It'll be sad for Remington if the current creditor-owners sell to a similar investment company.
Denis
 
Remington will sell to the highest bidder. Said new owner will likely break up the company to maximize it's immediate profit and sell off the non performers to shed losers. It will then vet the product line of Remington and drop the items which are the least profitable. Standard operating procedure in the business world.

This is just another event in business, money talks. The long term trend is called consolidation - and Cerberus had gobbled up a lot of Brands in the last ten years, almost demolishing every single one, which then limited competition. Just like GM, Ford, etc. After a certain point, they have all dropped the losers - Pontiac, Mercury, etc. As products become commodities and lose their status making social ranking they become staid as mashed potatoes on the market. Why? People buy fame to adorn themselves.

Hence Rolex as a symbol of status vs G Shock as a tool of the technically literate. Some people buy expensive guns to declare they can afford them. Others buy guns to USE them. Strangely enough the history of firearms as seen in books and museums is usually full of the high priced fancy stuff with little room devoted to the workaday tools that are the bulk of the market.

Rolexes over 40 years old are still repaired, reassembled from parts, etc. Timexes however have no long term value and repairing one is considered a fools' errand - they are junked. Same with expensive cars vs econoboxes. Plenty of certain categories at car shows, have you ever seen a cheap car lovingly restored on display? A 90's Camry?

Remington owned a few and they are gone for all intents and purposes, collectibiles now. I suspect the shotgun lines will be salvaged to continue to sell, the 700 remain with outsourced triggers to continue it's niche.

as hunting and shooting is constantly under attack and will continue to be until the rights are finally stripped in a generation or three.

This, however, is a bleak statement which isn't reality based. It lacks and understanding of what is really going on in CURRENT politics, which is going to sweep the liberal bias out of media and decimate the liberal political base when events soon unfold. Prepare to be both surprised and disgusted, as the evidence will be beyond shocking.

We are going to see not only our political scene reset, it will also reset our currency to a gold standard, and sweep out tens of thousands of criminals in high places. In retrospect what we think about Remington will appear somewhat limited and short sighted.

But you have to ask - if someone is going to spend millions buying it, why would they then destroy it? It would be the same as tossing bundles of money in the fire to keep warm, a very shortsighted and stupid thing to do.
 
As long as Remington doesn't get a bailout, compliments of the tax payers, I don't care what happens.
If the company isn't sold as a whole, the rights to patents and products that are profitable will be.[/QUOTE

Remington or any other gun manufacturer will not get nailed out by the government. Ever. Too many negative connotations and not enough union labor to back that plan. Can you imagine the outcry? I could see it now Mother's against guns, Anytown, all screaming about how the government supports mass shootings. It will never happen.
 
This is just my opinion of what will happen. Remington, as other have posted, will keep the winners and sell the losers.

IMHO, they should sell Marlin. Marlin has no complimentary lineups with the other brands. Ammo still sells, Remmy should and probably will keep it. Bmaster and DPMS are toss ups, since the AR market is so low right now. I also believe that Remmy is so diluted right now, I think it will be a minute before they really figure out how to proceed forward and make a profit.
 
FWIW, I have a friend who's son worked for Bushmaster and made the transition when Cerebus bought them, ultimately landing at Remington. He loves working for them and says they are a great employer. It's up in the air whether he survives the next transition, or not.
 
Re. the future of hunting sports.... as long as the "meat is murder" crowd keep successfully pumping indoctrination materials into the public schools (Food Inc., Supersize Me, etc...) we'll have more and more kids turning veggie because the prospect of meat grosses them out.
 
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