Reloading 7.65x53 Mauser

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I’m getting an Argentine 1891 Mauser in 7.65x53 this week. It was nicely(?)sporterized a long time ago, probably in the 50’s or 60’s. I’ll reload for it as I do for everything else I have. It’s not a common caliber, so I’d appreciate any data you may have.
 
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I know of some loads but you should slug the bbl. 1st they can vary a lot . Mine is a mixed bag from .311 to .314 ,two powder coats helps the .311 fit . What bullet/powder are you going to use? I make my brass from .270's that I find as I don't have a .270.

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clearcut said:
I know of some loads but you should slug the bbl. 1st they can vary a lot . Mine is a mixed bag from .311 to .314 ,two powder coats helps the .311 fit . What bullet/powder are you going to use? I make my brass from .270's that I find as I don't have a .270.

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I’ve got some.312” Hornady 150 grain soft point that I reload 303 British with, so I’ll start with those. I’m picking the rifle up Saturday, and it will include a box of factory ammo, PPU I believe.
 
It is a great cartridge, you are limited in pressures by the material and process technology of times.

The immature material technologies, process technologies of the era created an scandal when 1888 rifles blew up with service rifle ammunition. The Jewish owned company, Ludwig and Lowe http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10085-loewe-ludwig was a major manufacturer of 1888’s. The blow up of German service rifles created the conditions for the anti Semite Hermann Ahlwardt http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/997-ahlwardt-hermann to publish “Judenflinten” in 1892 and claim the problems were because

the Loewes were members of an international Jewish conspiracy to secure control of the entire world; that the greatest obstacle to gratifying this ambition being the obstinacy of the Germans, the surest means of breaking that obstinacy was by the defeat of the Germans in war; that this could be most effectually secured by arming the German soldiers with defective weapons; and that to this end the Loewes had, by fraud and bribery, foisted upon the German military authorities nearly half a million guns that would explode in battle, maiming and disabling those who carried them and frightening their comrades, thus causing stampedes and routs. , http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/997-ahlwardt-hermann

Anyway, your rifle is of the same period, of the same technology, loading manuals keep the pressures down to 40,000 psia or so, and even though the design of the rifle could take 60,000 psia if made in today’s factories with today’s materials, it wasn’t. Accept the limitations, don’t hot load, the cartridge is perfectly fine with period pressures and velocities.
 
2nd Lee book : H 4895 39.5 start 43.0 max 150 grn. jacketed no psi. listed. ( If you stay with 30-30 loads you should be fine) is what I was told by someone. 30.5 start 34.0 max for 30-30 40,563 psi

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Slamfire said:
It is a great cartridge, you are limited in pressures by the material and process technology of times.

The immature material technologies, process technologies of the era created an scandal when 1888 rifles blew up with service rifle ammunition. The Jewish owned company, Ludwig and Lowe http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10085-loewe-ludwig was a major manufacturer of 1888’s. The blow up of German service rifles created the conditions for the anti Semite Hermann Ahlwardt http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/997-ahlwardt-hermann to publish “Judenflinten” in 1892 and claim the problems were because

the Loewes were members of an international Jewish conspiracy to secure control of the entire world; that the greatest obstacle to gratifying this ambition being the obstinacy of the Germans, the surest means of breaking that obstinacy was by the defeat of the Germans in war; that this could be most effectually secured by arming the German soldiers with defective weapons; and that to this end the Loewes had, by fraud and bribery, foisted upon the German military authorities nearly half a million guns that would explode in battle, maiming and disabling those who carried them and frightening their comrades, thus causing stampedes and routs. , http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/997-ahlwardt-hermann

Anyway, your rifle is of the same period, of the same technology, loading manuals keep the pressures down to 40,000 psia or so, and even though the design of the rifle could take 60,000 psia if made in today’s factories with today’s materials, it wasn’t. Accept the limitations, don’t hot load, the cartridge is perfectly fine with period pressures and velocities.
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I wouldn’t think of trying to load hot for a rifle this old. It’ll only be used for target shooting, and maybe the occasional whitetail deer.
 
clearcut said:
2nd Lee book : H 4895 39.5 start 43.0 max 150 grn. jacketed no psi. listed. ( If you stay with 30-30 loads you should be fine) is what I was told by someone. 30.5 start 34.0 max for 30-30 40,563 psi

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I was told 303 British loads would also work well, but will do some investigation before I try it. I also load 303, so I’ve got some components.
 
I also have a couple thousand Nosler 123 grain tipped bullets meant for 7.62x39, and was thinking they might be good for a mild plinking Load.
 
PPU 180gr SP ammo has been very accurate in my rifle. I’ve ordered the same Projectiles from Graf and Sons. Has anyone reloaded these bullets?
 
Funny you mention this cartridge because I have just finished up loading a few for my 1891.
I used cast bullet 311407 lubed with carnuba red lube , the bullets drop at .313 outta the mold with my alloy (?) so I keep them at that by using my 303 sizing die.
my loads are pretty mild to say the least but that's how I like it,,
They would be a tad " stiffer " come hunting time,,,lol.
At 21.0 grains of sr 4759 the run about 1800 -1900 fps ,
such a great cartridge to shoot and has been swept under the rug for years forgotten by most but it will do anything the 308 can in my humble opinion fella's
303 Loads are able to be used , you have the stuff handy, have at it and have fun doing it.
 
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I also have a couple thousand Nosler 123 grain tipped bullets meant for 7.62x39, and was thinking they might be good for a mild plinking Load.
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I have loaded 123 gr "sks" bullets in Mosin Nagants, also nominally .311 bore with excellent results. Good accuracy, mild recoil. Have had excellent results on deer with the X54r loaded on the mild side with the Hornady 174 rn. Was loaded soft for a youth shooter, probably similar velocity to your M91. Got a good balance of expansion and penetration with this bullet on big Northwoods whitetails.

Away from my books right now, but I believe Hornady and Lyman both list this cartridge in their bound reloading data.
 
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I have loaded 123 gr "sks" bullets in Mosin Nagants, also nominally .311 bore with excellent results. Good accuracy, mild recoil. Have had excellent results on deer with the X54r loaded on the mild side with the Hornady 174 rn. Was loaded soft for a youth shooter, probably similar velocity to your M91. Got a good balance of expansion and penetration with this bullet on big Northwoods whitetails.

Away from my books right now, but I believe Hornady and Lyman both list this cartridge in their bound reloading data.
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I’ve also got a couple boxes of Hornady .310 123gr SST I’m thinking of trying. Loaded to 7.62x39 velocities or a bit higher might make a good deer load.
 
You can be very happy and proud to own a set of Herters dies. They were high quality dies. I have a couple sets that are over 50 years old and still in use.
 
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You can be very happy and proud to own a set of Herters dies. They were high quality dies. I have a couple sets that are over 50 years old and still in use.
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The dies came in today and they are in terrific shape! Even the box looks new. All paperwork and a few extra de capping pins were included. I’m glad for the extra pins, because replacement parts might be hard to find. Looked on the instructions to see if there was a manufacture date, but there wasn’t.
 
Just clean and oil them when you put them away. That way the next owner will be just as happy as you. Those dies may outlive that owner, as long as you don't let them rust. Dies do rust.

Since Herter's has been gone for so long, those that remember what good of equipment they made, have gotten old, probably have all the reloading equipment they need, or their relatives are selling off that equipment in estate sales. :eek: The younger generation does not recognize the brand, and, because of that, you got a great deal!
 
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Just clean and oil them when you put them away. That way the next owner will be just as happy as you. Those dies may outlive that owner, as long as you don't let them rust. Dies do rust.

Since Herter's has been gone for so long, those that remember what good of equipment they made, have gotten old, probably have all the reloading equipment they need, or their relatives are selling off that equipment in estate sales. :eek: The younger generation does not recognize the brand, and, because of that, you got a great deal!
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Do you know why Herters went out of business? Being 53 years old, I’ve heard of them, and seen a few sets of their dies at gun shows. Most looked pretty ragged, but the prices were high. Just looking at, and holding these dies, I can tell they’re high quality.
 
Vaguery’s of marketing.
They went out of business in late ‘70’s. “Mail order”, gave way to “big box” retailers. McClure/Volkmer bill allowed MidwayUSA, GRAFS, MidSouthShooterssupply, NatchezShootersSupply, ect to fill in to replace the old Flaigs, Herters, GanderMtn, and others. Ahhh! Those were the “good ol’ days”. Too bad I was too young and poor to enjoy them...
 
The 7.65x53mm round for Argentine (and Belgian, I think) Army use uses a 174/175 grain FMJ Spitzer bullet at about 2440 fps. Pretty much the same ballistics as the .303 British (mk VII) round. PPU makes it in such configuration.

The bore diameter is 'officially' the same as .303 British .310 to .312 inches. I use .303 British bullets, but be aware some manufacturing tolerances exist. Loading data is available on line and in some of the older loading manuals. Lyman #45, for instance. Lee Precision makes loading dies and PPU makes cases. Large Rifle primers and powders for .303 British will serve quite well. Easy round to load. Rifles may be uncooperative on accuracy, like most others.
 
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