Extended thumb safety on Ruger 1911

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I purchased a SS Ruger 1911 Commander and have had this problem with the thumb safety returning to the fire position while in leather holsters only. In Kydex or canvas holsters it will not do that but leather belt or shoulder holsters it will remove itself from the safety position. Especially when you remove the pistol is when this happens. Why do makers replace the perfect length 1911 thumb safety with the longer ones which produce too much leverage when drawing? Three safeties are available on this firearm, thumb safety, grip safety, and brain. When drawing from a holster, you have deactivated the grip safety, the thumbs safety has been wiped down and then you only have your brain and trigger finger to rely on. It seems like no one is happy with design features on many of these 'perfect from the start' firearms and insist on improvements that cause problems down the road. I realize stronger springs and shorter safeties are available but I just thought I would point this problem out to others and be aware of it.
 
I've carried a number of 1911 platforms over the years with extended thumb safeties and never had this issue. I've carried them in leather, kydex, and even nylon.

If I were experiencing this issue, I'd first look at the holster design and then the drawing technique being used
 
Like 9mm, I have an extended ambi thumb safety on the 1911 that I carry. It has never moved. If the holster itself is applying pressure, change holsters. If the safety detent is weak, fix it. This shouldn't be a problem.

And many of us like the extended thumb safety for riding.
 
I gave it more thought overnight trying to figure out how this could occurs in a holster.

If the leather comes up to cover/shield the thumb safety, it is possible that you are not drawing the gun straight out of the pouch but rather applying forward pressure. This could easily push the safety off if the leather is tightly formed at that point. I'd look at:

1. Getting a holster that allowed a straight withdrawal
2. Correcting my presentation technique
 
My Ruger 9mm 1911 Commander has an aftermarket Wilson ambi safety. No problems with a leather holster.
 
Does your safety “snick” on and off smartly or just slide on and off?

The reason I ask is that I have had a few that were a little mushy and needed a little smithing to get a positive feel and stay put.
Yes, it clicks on and off smartly. The leather shoulder holster is a Bianchi and the safety lever has made a detent impression into the holster where it rides. When I draw it STRAIGHT out the detent impression wipes the safety down to the off position. I also have a 1791 leather belt holster which also does the same thing.
 
I replaced the plunger spring with an unknown one I had from a I-do-not-remember spare 1911 rebuild kit.
Replacing that spring firmed up my Ruger 4.25" .45 1911.
 
Call Mernickle holsters, https://www.mernickleholsters.com/. Phone 800-497-3166. They ask a lot of questions about gun dimensions to make sure you get a good fit with their leather holsters. They worked with me to make sure my red dot sight would stand above the holster opening and not keep the gun from seating fully. I'm pretty sure they would work with you to make sure a holster wouldn't push off the safety.
 
I had that issue with mine, I thought the safety looked like a dang boat paddle so I cut it down a bit and gave the plunger spring a stretch. It has a nice firm click both directions now. It's also helpful to press a nice dent in the leather where the safety should rest.

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I'm always of the opinion in these instances it is a thumb safety issue (shallow detent or weak plunger spring) rather than a holster problem. No matter what my sweat shield is like, closely fitted to the thumb safety, loosely fitted, completely flat, or no sweat shield at all, nothing is moving my thumb safety except my thumb.
 
I purchased a SS Ruger 1911 Commander and have had this problem with the thumb safety returning to the fire position while in leather holsters only. In Kydex or canvas holsters it will not do that but leather belt or shoulder holsters it will remove itself from the safety position. Especially when you remove the pistol is when this happens. Why do makers replace the perfect length 1911 thumb safety with the longer ones which produce too much leverage when drawing? Three safeties are available on this firearm, thumb safety, grip safety, and brain. When drawing from a holster, you have deactivated the grip safety, the thumbs safety has been wiped down and then you only have your brain and trigger finger to rely on. It seems like no one is happy with design features on many of these 'perfect from the start' firearms and insist on improvements that cause problems down the road. I realize stronger springs and shorter safeties are available but I just thought I would point this problem out to others and be aware of it.

Having had a thumb safety roll into the engaged position, with a thumb bump while shooting the pistol, I have taken a less favorable attitude towards the 1911. And I also decided that cocked and locked was something for people whose primary use of the 1911 is fast draw games. Lots of people have found that their safety has been bumped off, when they thought it was on. And, people have found the safety on, when they thought it was off.

After studying the history of the 1911, the mode of carry prior to WW1 was a round in the chamber, hammer down, pistol in the flap holster. The users of the period expected to draw the pistol and cock the hammer. That is why WW1 era pistols have these wide hammer spurs and a very short tang on the grip safety. This pistol is the A1 configuration, the grip safety was lengthened, and the safety is a better shape.

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I got this pistol because it was a deal, and it was the configuration I wanted if I ever wanted to have it as a self defense pistol. I don't trust cocked and locked, I don't trust those long safety levers, and I can load this pistol, lower the hammer (with two hands), and I can thumb cock the thing easily, without some beavertail grip safety in the way.

If you ever take a self defense class with a M1911, they teach you ride the safety, because too many times, the safety was activated to the safe position, when the user needed to take a shot. They can't do anything about the safety moving to the fire position in the holster.

In my opinion, this is the best configuration for a self defense auto pistol. No flippers, no external safeties, you shoot it double action for the first shot.

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