LH Shotgun - 4-H Trap

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I'm looking for suggestions for a left hand shotgun for 4-H (wobble?) trap. I'd like something that could be used for other clays or hunting, assuming a more specialized gun isn't needed. I've been told the shooters use anything from nice O/U's to pump guns.

I've eyed 686 Sporting, but don't really care for the price tag. I've also looked at A400 Xplor, which is about $700 less. Also seen 686 Essential (used and fairly cheap) that looks to be a Pigeon, but with cheaper wood and finish. I don't believe they're available in LH, but not sure how much that matters with an O/U.

I like the idea of a gas autoloader due to reduced recoil. I'm sure there's a reason most clay shooters prefer O/U, I just don't know what that reason is. I don't see reloading shells, if that makes a difference.

There's a place in Atlanta where I should be able to rent some B O/U's and maybe an A400 to shoot. Tom Lowe Shooting, so if anyone has been there lately and knows, I'd be grateful to hear what they have.

Thanks.
 
Some of the SKB shotguns are set for left handers, mostly it is in the pistol grip palm swell. They seem to have a pretty neutral cast to them. Cast off for right hand, cast on for left. Some guns are pretty neutral with a straight stock.
I'm sure there's a reason most clay shooters prefer O/U, I just don't know what that reason is
Mainly there are two choices of choke. Many target presentations may have one in close and one further away. With two barrels you take your closest one with the most open barrel.
I like the idea of a gas autoloader due to reduced recoil.
Auto loaders are very popular, many sporting clay shooters use them and generally keep a bit tighter choke in for the longer target presentations. I personally have never shot at a sporting clay range that needed more than a light mod choke and you could of probably gotten away with I/C, but I have never been to more than 6 different sporting ranges.
 
Do you think life expectancy of the gun should be a factor in deciding between auto vs O/U? I don't expect this to be a hard use gun (<5,000/yr), but being for a 13y/o, who knows what could happen in the future. Thanks.
 
Are you the 4-H'er, a parent, or are you a Shooting Sports leader looking for a gun for the club? Some defining parameters would help with advice. If you are the shooter, the A-series Beretta autoloaders are an excellent choice for casual Trapshooing, though a bit light, increasing felt recoil. A Remington 1100 or 11-87 would help both with increasing gun weight overall and there are more 'add-ons' for Trap available for them. As kudu, mentions, shell catchers are a must; using rubber bands is annoying, and looks tacky.
How serious is the shooter about Trap? If it is something you're sure they will stick with, a quality O/U is an investment that will last a lifetime, though correct stock fit at 13 is sometimes an issue. Factory and aftermarket stocks are available if cutting a stock down is needed for the near future. Stock fit is of primary concern, particularly for a lefty, for the reasons kudu mentions. O/U's are also easier to manipulate left handed than semis or pumps, unless the semi or pump is a LH gun.
Trap is shot with the bird always rising, so guns made specifically for Trap usually have a high comb and two beads, which are lined up in a figure-8, or a high comb and high rib, so the shot pattern hits with a higher % of the shot above the point of aim. (This is called Point of Impact, or POI and is usually expressed as a percentage, such as 50-50 (50% above the point of aim, 50% below) 60-40 etc. Field ribs are usually 50-50, sometimes 60-40. Sporting Clays ribs are usually 60-40, and Trap ribs, 60-40 or 70-30. Since this gun may be used for hunting or other clays games, I suggest a 60-40 ribbed gun, and the Browning CT series are a good choice, as are the Beretta 686 series guns. Some folks say that one or the other fits them better, try both if you can. Renting guns at the range is good, finding another shooter that will let you shoot theirs works too, though the fit will be set for them.
Except some cheap makes, (Stoeger, Tri-Star) most guns will outlast the owner, with minor parts replacement. Many Browning and Beretta O/U's have over a million rounds through them with just firing pins and springs replaced. For autos, Remington 1100's will last well over half a million if well-maintained, and the pump 870 will match that. Compared to the cost of targets and shells over the years, the gun is really a minor cost, so buy a good one to start with, and enjoy!
 
The 4-H shooter is my son.

I don't know how serious he'll be about shooting trap. He loves bird hunting and shooting clays in the pasture.

Thanks.
 
The TriStar autos are available in left hand, and are actually very decent .
 
I have attended the national 4H championship at the NRA Whittington center in Raton, NM. I mention it not to brag , but that I understand the issues, especially with wanting your son to get into shooting sports, the unknown level of commitment when he's 13 years old, and that his body is going to change a lot through adolescence.

The thing about shotgun shooting is that it is very personal. People can spend a lot of time and money modifying a shotgun so that when it is shouldered, the bead consistently lines up with the pupil of the shooter's eye. Having said that, concerning equipment at the 4H championship, you literally see everything on the spectrum, from a Rem 870 or Mossberg 500 to a Perazzi or Krieghoff. Expensive shotguns alone don't necessarily translate to higher scores.


I'd like something that could be used for other clays or hunting, assuming a more specialized gun isn't needed.

This is absolutely works at the "I'm trying to figure out if I like this" level of interest. A sporting shotgun works at this level. This can include everything from backyard trap to bird hunting to the 4H shooting program. There are always trade-offs when it comes to shotgun configuration. IMHO, trap, skeet, 5-stand, sporting clays, hunting, and all other games with slightly different wrinkles - all of them have "optimal" configurations. At this point it seems to be about gauging interest. Once he has shot a while, if there is a particular game he's really into, a specific shotgun for the discipline can help, but I wouldn't start out with a trap specific shotgun, for instance. You would want him to pile up some "25 straight" patches before dropping serious money on a 36" unsingle.

Some of the bigger issues are if he can handle the weight of a full size shotgun and how much recoil he can tolerate. This is a tough call. I have seen kids have a terrible time who struggle to lift and swing shotguns. On the other end of the spectrum, I have seen kids who have a terrible time because the gun was light enough to swing, but the recoil was too much. This is one area where I wish we could suspend the laws of physics, if only for a moment, but it takes knowing your son to make the decisions.

Application matters too. A lot of bird hunting is usually a lot of walking and shooting one box of shells for a couple times a year. That is a lot different from shooting 100 targets every week.

For left handers, a low cost option would be a Browning BPS, since it ejects out of the bottom. Most right handed autos would work well enough at this stage and relatively easy to sell if he does not like it. A left handed auto is going to be a bear to sell if his interests change. Sometimes, it can be difficult to get autos to cycle light loads. I really like O/U's for hunting and a variety of clay games. They are easy to operate left handed; they usually have a variety of chokes to do several things; they are super safe - "keep the gun broken open until you are ready to fire", but they are heavier.

OP didn't mention it, but the other issue could be gauge. Since he's an adolescent, you would normally gravitate to 20ga. However, if he would seriously want to compete, 20ga is at a disadvantage to 12ga. Again, this is why it is hard to buy a gun for an adolescent.

I have seen a 12 year boy old pull the trigger literally twice, feel the recoil, cry, and then not want to touch the gun. He would not even try it again. The next year, when he was 13, he still would not even try it again due to the bad experience from the previous year. By the time he was 14 (and had grown about a foot), he picked it up and shot with us - no problem at all.


Do you think life expectancy of the gun should be a factor in deciding between auto vs O/U?

No. Which one fits him better? Which one does he shoot better? It is doubtful that he would wear out either a Browning or Beretta auto out at this age. Also, don't think that an equivalent O/U is indestructible. It's a machine. If it is shot enough, it will need springs, hammers, ejectors, etc.

I think the biggest thing is to not pressure yourself into thinking that you have to buy him one shotgun that is optimal at 13 years old and will be optimal when he's 18 and will be optimal for everything he may want to do with it.
 
The TriStar autos are available in left hand, and are actually very decent .

I don’t own a TriStar but know enough people who do that I would definitely take a chance on one. I would stay away from a Stoeger for the stated purpose of the shotgun.

If it were my kid and I didn’t know if he/she were through growing then I wouldn’t get an O/U, at least a nice one and I wouldn’t buy an inexpensive O/U. I also wouldn’t get a pump. I’d get a gas operated semi. This is based on my experience with two kids now grown. It won’t hurt my feelings in the least if you ignore my suggestion because almost no situation is exactly the same.
 
Your 4Her needs to try as many guns as possible to see what works. I am LH, using a RH gun has never been an issue. For strictly trap, a Browning BPS, BT-99 will work for either RH or LH. There are semis that can work, but you need to make sure the empties don't bother the guy next station over.
 
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