Where firearms knowledge really causes me concern is when watching documentaries/informative content. I've seen so much absolute garbage about firearms in documentaries that I've started to wonder if all documentaries/informative shows are similarly deficient in the facts department.
Does being firearms knowledgeable take enjoyment out of things?
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CapnMac
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CPT. Drake (ret.) has been repeatedly approached about the movie rights to the entire series, and random individual books.
As he has said, he writes novels, not screenplays, so, the stories are not nearly "visual" enough become much more than shoot-em-up ray-gun movies, with all semblance of the classical plays at their hearts ripped out.
Curiously, by the author's own admission, the Venusian Navy novels are far more visual in nature, with charachters that could be fleshed out through simple exposition. But, no one has approached him about those, either.
The Royal Cinnabar Navy series is another one with all sorts of classical basis, that gets a lot of attention to be made into a space opera, and leave all the "thinking" stuff on the floor.
Drake has said that, after he dies, his estate can negotiate on rights; he'll keep writing successful novels until then.
CapnMac
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Does being firearms knowledgeable take enjoyment out of things?
Er, let me fix that for you: remove the word "firearms."
Gravity was a great movie, but, an utter fantasy. Gravity does not, neither does orbital mechanics work the way it's shown in the movie. Ricochets do not gain momentum. Weightlessness does not equal masslessness.
Once you suspend that belief, then you can gloss over how an MD is able to suss out Soviet space equipment and operation of same; or that PRC space vehicles would be exact copies of Soviet ones.
Torches in movies used as flashlights. Ever try that? Put the super-bright pupil-contracting light in front of you to see out into absolute darkness? If you ever need to do this, you want it above your head or out to the side; over your head is like to drip burning combustion products on your flammable hair, though.
Aircraft fuel specified in gallons instead of by weight.
Pretty much every submarine move ever made (ok, Das Boot, im Deutsch, gets a pass, if with an asterisk).
There are huge numbers of things that will bother a Reasonably Knowledgeable Individual.
Now, to keep this on topi--Number one bug-a-boo is being able to charge any of the Browning MGs with only one stroke.
Er, let me fix that for you: remove the word "firearms."
Gravity was a great movie, but, an utter fantasy. Gravity does not, neither does orbital mechanics work the way it's shown in the movie. Ricochets do not gain momentum. Weightlessness does not equal masslessness.
Once you suspend that belief, then you can gloss over how an MD is able to suss out Soviet space equipment and operation of same; or that PRC space vehicles would be exact copies of Soviet ones.
Torches in movies used as flashlights. Ever try that? Put the super-bright pupil-contracting light in front of you to see out into absolute darkness? If you ever need to do this, you want it above your head or out to the side; over your head is like to drip burning combustion products on your flammable hair, though.
Aircraft fuel specified in gallons instead of by weight.
Pretty much every submarine move ever made (ok, Das Boot, im Deutsch, gets a pass, if with an asterisk).
There are huge numbers of things that will bother a Reasonably Knowledgeable Individual.
Now, to keep this on topi--Number one bug-a-boo is being able to charge any of the Browning MGs with only one stroke.
commygun
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It does drive me nuts in movies. These people have professionals managing the firearm props. Dumb stuff shouldn’t be happening. Recently watched a movie set in 1984 where a cop mentioned a bad guy taking a “forty”. Not likely. My biggest peeve is when they repeatedly rack a shotgun without firing during a suspenseful part of the movie. Dude, you’ve unloaded your gun by now!
Jim Watson
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Or spacesuit faceplates ringed with lights?
Shows the actor's face but he sure isn't seeing much.
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From what I have learned about guns over the years I am no longer impressed with James Bond type shooting that I see in spy movies.
Being able to shoot people beacuse you are agent .007 and you have a "licence to kill" and you always get all the women, is too unbeieveable.
The fact is in combat shooting a person's hands shake and things happen that scare you so badly that you can't ever forget about it.
Being able to shoot people beacuse you are agent .007 and you have a "licence to kill" and you always get all the women, is too unbeieveable.
The fact is in combat shooting a person's hands shake and things happen that scare you so badly that you can't ever forget about it.
Legionnaire
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Mostly not, but there are some instances that are just too stupid. Like in the movie Paycheck when Ben Afleck's character zip-ties a cartridge to a machine and the cartridge subsequently "fires," propelling the bullet, rather than simply rupturing. I like movies based on Philip Dick short stories and I really wanted to like Paycheck ... but that was just too stupid.
tark
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Saving Private Ryan was accurate on the weapons but horrible on the tactics and the use of the weapons.
Five GIs sneak up on a German MG nest. One of the Americans is a sniper. The Germans are unaware of the GIs. So they decide to split up and charge the nest? NOT!!!!! In real life the sniper would have killed the first German while everyone else opens up on the other one. And the Medic was one of the men charging the nest? NOT!!!! he would not be allowed to do that......too valuable
At the end, Upham was told to carry ammo for the machine gunners when it was needed. NOT!!!! the two MGs would have divided up the ammo and took it with them.
That's just two examples
Bandit67
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Saw an old James Cagney movie on TCM called 13 Rue Madelienne. Set during WWII, Cagney is part of the French Resistance. In one scene he crosses a street and enters a Hotel that the German officers have occupied. He had a 1911 in his hand but when he went through the door it magically turns into a revolver. When he goes through another door it turns back into a1911.
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Madcap_Magician
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Something tells me that some folks take fantasy video game way too seriously.....
Reminds me of people freaking out about weird handwavium science in Star Wars. I mean. I love Star Wars.
But you can't nitpick too many realism details about a movie series that is fundamentally about space wizards fighting each other with laser sticks.
gwpercle
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Splitting Hairs aint you, Boss... I mean a video game is even less like real life than a 1950's Hollywood B Movie. You just gotta remember the people who write video games know less about guns and gear than the Hollywood prop masters.
Check out the Hornady 30-30 160 gr. FTX LEVERevolution ammo.....guess what it's got....a pointed bullet !
Since this is some time in the future I'm sure she's had time to find a box....and it looks exactly like what she is using.
And stop counting shots , you just splitting hairs again....it's just a made up video game, have fun .
Gary
Check out the Hornady 30-30 160 gr. FTX LEVERevolution ammo.....guess what it's got....a pointed bullet !
Since this is some time in the future I'm sure she's had time to find a box....and it looks exactly like what she is using.
And stop counting shots , you just splitting hairs again....it's just a made up video game, have fun .
Gary
Tommygunn
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I believe it was an old movie, THE HOUSE ON 92ND STREET, an old b&w 1940s movie concerning spies in New York City, which showed an F. B. I. raid on the house of spies in which the rather brave G-men were armed with Thompson submachine guns.
Not a one had a magazine in it. Not one stick mag, not a drum. Nada. Ziltch.
Good thing the KGB goons were gentlemanly!
Ah.....those old movies and their many many errors and discontinuities. They're such FUN!
CraigC
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Not really. I seem to have a well honed ability to suspend my disbelief, most the time.
I also realize that movies, TV shows and video games are made for the masses and the masses don't know much. Sometimes they have to stick with the misconceptions believed by those masses to keep from having to explain something. One that makes me cringe every time is when watching The Patriot, a movie where they put some effort into authenticity. When Gabriel first comes back home, injured and carrying dispatches, Benjamin approaches from behind, cocks his pistol and levels it at him before he realizes it's his son. That pistol clicked about 12 times as he cocked it. In reality, it should have been one click. I usually don't let that stuff bother me but do get a special thrill when they get it right. The Michael Mann movies are usually very good in this regard.
I also realize that movies, TV shows and video games are made for the masses and the masses don't know much. Sometimes they have to stick with the misconceptions believed by those masses to keep from having to explain something. One that makes me cringe every time is when watching The Patriot, a movie where they put some effort into authenticity. When Gabriel first comes back home, injured and carrying dispatches, Benjamin approaches from behind, cocks his pistol and levels it at him before he realizes it's his son. That pistol clicked about 12 times as he cocked it. In reality, it should have been one click. I usually don't let that stuff bother me but do get a special thrill when they get it right. The Michael Mann movies are usually very good in this regard.
CapnMac
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Suspension of disbelief is a crucial to enjoy most entertainments.
What I have found though, is that it takes little to "break" that suspension, which gets in the way of enjoying the rest of the thing for waiting to see what else has been gotten wrong.
Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels was not realistic for gun use, or typical British hoodlums, but, it was an engaging story with some cool quirks and some good character development.
What I have found though, is that it takes little to "break" that suspension, which gets in the way of enjoying the rest of the thing for waiting to see what else has been gotten wrong.
Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels was not realistic for gun use, or typical British hoodlums, but, it was an engaging story with some cool quirks and some good character development.
One muet remember, TV and the movies, is make belive, entertainment. Hollywood is is bussness to make movies and money.
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Firearms knowledge has ruined zero movies/ video games/ tv etc. for me. Being a car guy has also ruined none of that for me (ie Smokey and the Bandit- a '77 trans am as some sort of high powered automobile is laughable). It's all just cheap entertainment.
The only thing that ruined Bond movies was Timothy Dalton. And the Blonde. Sean Connery was the best, and there's quite a few weaponary missteps in those. A bowler hat that can cut the head off a statue? Right. Still great movies though. Who cares.
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I will add "Law and Order" as one more TV show that usually gets it wrong, Anytime a gun is used they seem to be able to identify the make and model from the bullet. Even if it's a 22..? Then, when they find the gun, (cause no bad guy in NYC EVER dumps their gun ), the detective will hold it up and it sure ain't the Ruger/Smith/Colt that he says it is.
Plus the show inserts a LOT of anti 2nd Amendment drek into episodes.
), the detective will hold it up and it sure ain't the Ruger/Smith/Colt that he says it is. Plus the show inserts a LOT of anti 2nd Amendment drek into episodes.
CapnMac
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LoL. Flyboys was on Sunday and it set me off from this.
First, it's about as accurate depiction fothe First World War as Pearl Harbor was of the Second.
Secondly, the firearms were just wrong, too.
First, it's about as accurate depiction fothe First World War as Pearl Harbor was of the Second.
Secondly, the firearms were just wrong, too.
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Saw a couple of movies where they were carrying Pellet rifles.One was a sniper on a building.
I love the fact that they never have any hearing problems after shooting. Can shoot right next to someones ear and the person does not flinch.
I love the fact that they never have any hearing problems after shooting. Can shoot right next to someones ear and the person does not flinch.
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