Michael A Ferber
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Very interesting!
Mossberg enters the handgun market
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Sure. Of course. That's the reason we have ten thousand types of mags for ten thousand types of pistols.
Everyone wants to be top dog. Not everyone can be though.
Being realistic about your capabilities, knowing the marketplace and knowing what your competitors have going for them and finding your niche in the market are what separates successful companies from bad.
Mossberg could still make money on the mags though. If they went with clear or smoke colored pistol mags and under priced Glock on the mags more people would be inclined to buy their mags from them. At least initially when they first bought their pistol, which is the time period when most casual shooters buy their magazines.
Jeb Stuart
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I love statistics. You can manipulate them is so many ways, and many times never really tell much of anything. I think the Strongest companies are also the smart companies. They know their limitations, and for sure do not put all their stock in Military and Police contracts. These contracts as far as gun quality do not always reflect quality. Bids are funny creatures. I learned a long time ago that just because a Policeman carries a certain brand, really does not mean much. It is just his carry from being issued this contract bid firearm. Military and Police contracts can change anytime. But what will the Public be purchasing for his next EDC, His next Pocket Pistol, His next shotgun, Carbine. The successful company IMO will be diversified. And the good one's have been around for a 100 years, and as long as 500 years. They have been around that long, because they have learned to survive.
So yes, the comment from Browning, "
"Being realistic about your capabilities, knowing the marketplace and knowing what your competitors have going for them and finding your niche in the market are what separates successful companies from bad".is a very true statement. And I might add. A company that rest on the laurels of a single product and does not change, is doomed to fail. A company should be successful in a array of products. Yes, some products will be around for a long time and rightly so. But will the company?? Diversify or risk becoming stagnant.Be open to new ideas.
Hitler wanted to roll out the same Black VW for all the people. That idea never worked.
Just because my local Police won a bid to drive a Chevy, does not necessary make me want to go buy one.
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I don't normally pay attention to what the military or police are using. One exception was M45A1 pistol. I'm really satisfied with gun performance but still do not get how such expensive to make pistol ended up in hands of military personnel. One would think something like G21 would win easily.
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Jeb Stuart
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You really don't know how? Welcome to the world of the mysterious Government Bids. There have been a few books on how bids are really won. Military spending is a subject all on it's own. May God save us all.
Nick Burkhardt
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I'll keep my Ruger LC9s until the 10 round Mossberg MC1SC X comes out.
Jeb Stuart
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Nothing wrong with that. I have too many guns. I like this Mossberg so far, But in reality, I will never buy another Micro9mm again as I found the Nano and fell in love with it. I love the way it shoots, top notch quality, has proved totally reliable with 5,000 and for sure will out live me. No need for anything else.
If you like your Ruger, then think carefully if you really need to put out more money. Something I wished I had learned years ago.
Now I just put money into more magazines and ammo.
Same with the Ruger SR9C which is moving up in size to the Compact. I do not need another, as this gun suites me just fine.
I have my perfect Pocket gun, and my perfect small Snubbie.
Life is Good!
*Perfect is perfect for me. Find your perfect carry.
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rskent
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But if you were in the market for a car, and your local police department was having good long-term performance and reliability with their Chevys, would it not be smart to consider a Chevy for yourself?
Note: Considering the responses to this post it is pretty clear that some folks on THR don’t understand that this is an analogy. And to keep it firearms related, lets try again.
If you were in the market for a polymer duty type pistol. And your local PD was using the latest Sig Polymer 9mm. And they were having good service with them. Good service with the pistols meaning that the pistols were not breaking very often and that they were easy to maintain, and that the officers were generally able to shoot the guns well. Wouldn’t you think that maybe a Sig could work for you. Not saying that you should buy one because your local PD uses one. Just that you might consider that information helpful in making your decision. Please keep in mind that in this fictional analogy we are considering a pistol for personal protection. We are not bear hunting, target shooting, or hauling a 20K lb. RV (sheesh). Also, that Sig makes lots of different configurations and calibers of guns for us to pick from.
Sorry about the confusion and I hope this helps. If it doesn’t, well I’m sorry about that as well.
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peacebutready
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Surprised they entered the market. It's crowded at this point.
Jeb Stuart
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I keep hearing the Internet comment "It is a over crowed market". Ok show me this. There must be a answer that is fact and can be proven as fact. So show me? Number of persons buying sub compact pistols vs number of manufacturers? There must be some information that proves this. I cannot find it anywhere. Maybe the market is wide open with demand and even more companies can get into the game.
So all you folks that keep saying the market is over crowed. Next time please show some facts.
I wonder if this is just the Old Internet snowball game. One person makes a statement, they another repeats it and before you know it, the world is falling off a cliff.
SHOW ME THE MONEY!
No...
How can there be? When every single day we have people leaving the market, for good, along with people coming of age entering the market.
rskent
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Fair enough, I guess you are looking for something other than long term performance and reliability in your cars.
My vehicles need to do a different job.. A Caprice, Crown vic, Malibu or whatever they are using today cannot pull a 20k lb RV, haul hay, feed, horses, cattle, etc.
Different strokes for different folks.
I can tell you I've never made a decision in my life based on government procurement.
I wouldn't buy one either.
Unlike police guns which are carried a lot and often used infrequently police cars get used, abused and driven like they're stolen (literally, because they're sometimes chasing the guy who stole a car).
Any vehicle from a hard use motor pool gets rode hard and put up wet.
Trey Veston
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Thread drift...
My family is in law enforcement and I've spent hours talking about the various vehicles they use and how they hold up. I ended up buying a late 90's Crown Vic Police Interceptor for a commuter car and it held up very well. Was a great car and I got over 20mpg.
Out here, our sheriff's departments run primarily SUVs and my brother was at one time a Woods Patrol deputy for a few years and drove the older boxy Jeep Cherokees, then a Jeep Liberty, and then a 2008 Chevy Tahoe before he made Detective. He loves the old Cherokees, despises the Liberty and the Tahoe was constantly in the shop...
Back on topic; his department carried Sigs for years because the former Sheriff was a Sig fanboy. The new Sheriff wasn't a gun guy and took an objective look at things and switched to Gen 5 Glocks.
Jeb Stuart
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You can bet that a Manufacturer has a better marketing and investment personal that do more than just roll a dice.
So he took a "Objective" look at things. Since he was not a gun guy, he obviously did not care and went with Glocks because of a low bid and of course ammo selection. Makes sense. Sometimes you do what you have to do with budget constraints.Did his deputies have the ability to continue to carry Sigs if they purchased them on a buyout? Hopefully they were able to. I believe some Departments require that you have to carry the Issued firearms. Some have a list of options for carry.
Police departments across the country are transitioning to the Sig 320. Hopefully they will get the chance to acquire these fine pistols down the road.
So he took a "Objective" look at things. Since he was not a gun guy, he obviously did not care and went with Glocks because of a low bid and of course ammo selection. Makes sense. Sometimes you do what you have to do with budget constraints.Did his deputies have the ability to continue to carry Sigs if they purchased them on a buyout? Hopefully they were able to. I believe some Departments require that you have to carry the Issued firearms. Some have a list of options for carry.
Police departments across the country are transitioning to the Sig 320. Hopefully they will get the chance to acquire these fine pistols down the road.
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Trey Veston
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Nope. My brother was one of them. A Detective. He purchased his Sig 229 in .357 Sig from the wholesaler for $250 and kept it, but he must carry his issued G19 on duty. He was surprised when he went to the range to qualify with the new Glock and shot his highest score ever. He loves his new Glock when previously he hated them. Just took the latest generation to change his mind.
Jeb Stuart
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I can see how a 9mm might be more accurate or at least a easier shooter than the 357 Sig. cartridge. Makes sense. and of course the ammo cheaper for the budget and training.
But getting back on track with the Mossberg. Based on what you say, I am thinking this might be a big hit, provided it continues to be as reliable as it has so far. Really anxious to try one out. My range buddy is raving about the 320. Was going to get the opportunity to try that gun out today, but hit with some serious rain.
Trey Veston
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I fondled a 320 in the gun store and it felt great and I liked the trigger. I noticed the polymer felt a little cheap and seemed to scratch easily. The floor model already looked a bit worn from just being handled by customers. Then the drop issue hit the internet and I started looking elsewhere.
Jeb Stuart
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The Drop issue is old news that has been resolved. And Yankee Marshall addressed the scratch issue on one particular model.
Getting back to the Mossberg. I find it interesting that the Kentucky Gun company in the review stated that Mossberg asked them to pay particular attention to the accuracy of the MC1 as they tested it agains a number of Glock 43 and the MC1 is superior. Not a advertised item by Mossberg, but asking to pay attention to this might really say something. It will be interesting to see in future reviews and test.
Getting back to the Mossberg. I find it interesting that the Kentucky Gun company in the review stated that Mossberg asked them to pay particular attention to the accuracy of the MC1 as they tested it agains a number of Glock 43 and the MC1 is superior. Not a advertised item by Mossberg, but asking to pay attention to this might really say something. It will be interesting to see in future reviews and test.
Just heard from a friend who got to fire/handle the new Mossberg MC1 last Monday at the SHOT show.
He's a long time Glock fan and compared it to the Glock 43. He was very impressed by the ergos and that Mossberg would be willing to have it accept G-43 mags. He said most folks there were very impressed by how it felt and shot.
He thought it was a bit less snappy in the hand than the G43
He's a long time Glock fan and compared it to the Glock 43. He was very impressed by the ergos and that Mossberg would be willing to have it accept G-43 mags. He said most folks there were very impressed by how it felt and shot.
He thought it was a bit less snappy in the hand than the G43
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Sovblocgunfan
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Thank you for that!
Jeb Stuart
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I have a feeling the difference in the Grip will appeal to many shooters. A lot of folks just do not like the Glock grip and this model with the more of a 1911 style might be what the doctor ordered. If I was in the Market for a Glock, I would at least try the Mossberg. I have been watching as many reviews on this gun and one thing about it, all are showing no failures of any kind with a lot of ammo down range. And again, I really like the way Mossberg designed the way to remove the striker so easily for cleaning. I am OCD about that with all my guns.
My buddy is a heavy Glock shooter and he said the grip angle felt much like his Glocks...which would make sense if it is able to use the same mags
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Interesting. Just because, I decided to see if the mossberg pistol was in stores yet. It’s not. I did notice a marked change in the street price. Several places online have it hovering close to $300. Needs to go a tad lower, but it’s nice to see. Free market principles are wonderful.
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