In praise of the French MAS 49/56, with photos...

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It seems when French rifles are brought up, instantly will see "dropped once", or "white flag of surrender included" posts, despite what the truth might actually be. I'll leave politics alone here, and rather focus on the self evident, of this amazing self loading rifle. To some eyes it's homely, but to me I love it, and LOVE how it performs. I have owned/shot many of its semi-automatic contemporaries, and IMO and in actual experience with this rifle, it holds its own very well, and is extremely underrated.

My rifle is all original (never refurbished) in the original 7.5x54 round, itself rather avant-garde, as was a lot of French military technology. It is absolutely dead reliable, VERY accurate, EXTREMELY robust and sturdy, its direct impingement gas system well thought out and simple, has a milled slot for a scope mount, has very few parts with dead simple disassembly, has a very functional grenade launcher system, very robust sights, well designed muzzle brake, good but kinda heavy trigger (there is a trick for this), and it handles quickly and feels good in the hand. It takes very well to handloads, where I pretty much stick to 150 grain-ish military ball bullets, IMR 4895, CCI #34 primers and keep velocities around 2500 fps. My wartime MAS 36 gains about 200 fps using the same ammo FWIW.

It is true that because of the firing pins design and weight (MASSIVE), you have to use 'hard' primers to prevent multiple shots on a single pull, but at least in my experience the cases are treated well, and not nearly destroyed as with my Ljungman AG-42. When these rifles first came out, you could get it, and a whole lot of accessories included for about $170! Have not checked lately, but I'm sure like so many Military surplus weapons, prices have skyrocketed. Although not the fault of the rifle, you will read of terrible conversions made by Century to 7.62x51, with some folks saying they got a good one. I have some very detailed .pdf articles about how the conversions were done, and how they should have.

So if you might have never thought about getting one of these fine rifles, maybe you will, or reconsider - They really are that good. I included my rifle with others to give you some perspective of size and appearance. Thanks for your time.

Fourth one down:

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Between my Quality Hardware M1 carbine and SVT-40

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Nice collection! Love the FN49....kick myself for not grabbing a Luxembourg '49 in .30-06 when I had the chance.

As far as the MAS, Its not for me because of the rapidly drying up supplies of 7.5 ammo and the effort required to get the .308 conversions to run right- but Im glad you like yours.

Plus, the styling is, well......ugh, lol. The original MAS 49 long rifle was so elegant too!
 
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You have an excellent collection. Thanks for sharing. I have an MAS36, it was never fired and only dropped once. Sorry couldn't help it. But when I got it, it surely looked like it had never been fired. It was like new with just handling marks. We know the French can be as brave as anyone.
 
Thanks NL40k. FN-49's... Boy are they sweet, in any flavor. For those who might not know, the one shown is an Argentine Navy (ARA) version, with a detachable magazine chambered in 7.62x51, converted from the original 7.65x53 by the Argentine military ... Pretty slick and smart. The gun does however retain its original 7.65 gas plug, and even with the system opened wide, still is a bit over-gassed. Came originally with a one pc firing pin, that I replaced with a two piece to prevent/stop it from firing multiple rounds per trigger pull.

These things are like shootable art, and built to a level of craftsmanship that is amazing. Here she is in her 'free states' 20 rd magazine garb, over the 10 rounder initially shown:

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Thanks DH, it seems you got one of the updated, fully refurbished versions fresh from the French Govt arsenals. Mine was made in March of 1940, and was never refurnished/updated. These too IMO are greatly underrated/underappreciated, and are extremely good quality weapons, well made and finished. Here was mine:

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They look kinda goofy but handle and point so well, and are easy to work quickly.
 
Yeah, I’m one of those guys that got a working MAS49/56 in .308 clambering. Maybe the drunken monkey at Century got lucky with his wife the night before and was in a good mood or something. In any case, I look at that rifle like an SKS on steroids. It’s pretty accurate even with the wide front sight post and heavy trigger but it has never failed to work and it’s built like a tank. The firing pin looks like it could have been cobbled from a 16 penny nail so I don’t see it breaking but that is one rifle that will never fire civilian sporting ammo or reloads that don’t use CCI #34 primers. All-in-all,it’s been a good rifle though I kick myself for not buying one of the scopes when they were available and cheap.
 
I have an unfurbed MAS 49/56 from the early 60's, a very fun gun to shoot. I roll my own cartridges for it , similar to the recipe someone already mentioned above cept I use standard CCI primers. Never had trouble with slamfire, that aside, I would grab up that rifle if needed in an emergency rather than an M1 Garand.
 
I have a Century conversion (.308) that runs wonderfully. I did add a Starmetal adj. gas valve. and original(uncut) springs. Not because it wasn't working as it was but because I wanted it to run gently with factory ammo. I have run mostly handloads with starting load powder charges on the theory that those are closer to standard pressures for the 7.5x54and would be less overgassed in the shortened 308 rechambered barrel. Now with adj. gas valve it is set to throw empties half the distance it did previously. It is a real shooter!
 
Thanks everyone, really glad to see others are enjoying their 49/56 rifles, regardless of caliber. Thought I might post a photo of the rifles firing pin so folks who have never seen one, can grasp at just how massive it is. Mind you, THIS IS A FREE FLOATING TYPE, just like an AR-15! No spring anywhere, so primers not up to the job, need not apply.

Shown in the photo along with the pen and MAS FP is a clip of 7.5x54 reloads, and a blued firing pin from an FN-49... If the French went this far toward hell-for-stout for just a FP, I think you can tell I/others are not exaggerating when we say the rest of this rifle is like an over-built tank. Thanks.

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Nice collection! Love the FN49....kick myself for not grabbing a Luxembourg '49 in .30-06 when I had the chance.

As far as the MAS, Its not for me because of the rapidly drying up supplies of 7.5 ammo and the effort required to get the .308 conversions to run right- but Im glad you like yours.

Plus, the styling is, well......ugh, lol. The original MAS 49 long rifle was so elegant too!

Partizan makes 7.5 french, while you will not find it at your local WallyWorld, it is not hard to come by.....and very easy to reload for.
 
Personally I think the MAS36 is the best bolt military rifle made....it has so few moving parts, built like a tank....kinda looks like it as well. And they shoot very well.

You really have to think.....this is the last bolt rifle really fielded in any numbers, the french could look at everyone (and they did) and go....I like this, I like that....lets all roll it up into one. They learned their lesson from 8mm Lebel....sometimes it is better to take your time and make it right.

49/56 is really a joy to shoot, again built like a tank, and just works....it has that French feeling to it but darn good rifle.
 
Personally I think the MAS36 is the best bolt military rifle made....it has so few moving parts, built like a tank....kinda looks like it as well. And they shoot very well.

No argument from me. I'd call it almost perfect if it had a safety, and a better way to adjust windage. IMO, they should have gone with say the Arisaka type safety at the rear of the bolt, esp as with the Type 99 that came a few years later, and at least made the front sight driftable... A soldered in place front sight, and replace rear leaves for windage although durable, is kinda a PITA, even for military service, and limiting. But as you and many well know, France didn't use tamper proof screws and bolts because they wanted soldiers messing around with their gear. Being a former Infantry Officer myself, I get and understand where they are coming from. :)

BTW, since I'm on a hell-for-stout demo with photos, check out the bolt diameter/breech face 'meat' for the cartridge head, and the big locking lugs for those who may have never seen it - MASSIVE. Bolt disassembles in about 2 seconds with three parts, very similar to said Arisaka mentioned above. Great rifle indeed.

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I got outbid on gunbroker about a year ago on one. I think it ended up going for $650.

And those who have voice concerns over ammo, PRVI Partisan still produces ammo for the 7.5 French. $14.95 / 20. Not bad at all in my opinion.
 
Partizan makes 7.5 french, while you will not find it at your local WallyWorld, it is not hard to come by.....and very easy to reload for.

And the Privi as you know actually uses the same 139 grain bullet as the original, reloads well, and case dimensions are on point. Never did have any issues with it at all. In lieu of this ammo, properly dimensioned 6.5x55 brass can work very well too for making 7.5x54 brass. I say properly dimensioned because some 6.5x55 brass (US made) uses the same .470"-ish rim diameter, which is a lot smaller than it should be.

Proper rim diameter for the 7.5x54 is about .485/.486", 6.5 Swede is .480", but seems to work fine. I did try moderate cast bullet loads with 06 brass, and in my experience was a total NO-GO, despite an article from Handloader Magazine from many years ago. Cases swelled WAY too much, shoulder splits, etc.
 
No argument from me. I'd call it almost perfect if it had a safety, and a better way to adjust windage. IMO, they should have gone with say the Arisaka type safety at the rear of the bolt, esp as with the Type 99 that came a few years later, and at least made the front sight driftable... A soldered in place front sight, and replace rear leaves for windage although durable, is kinda a PITA, even for military service, and limiting. But as you and many well know, France didn't use tamper proof screws and bolts because they wanted soldiers messing around with their gear. Being a former Infantry Officer myself, I get and understand where they are coming from. :)

BTW, since I'm on a hell-for-stout demo with photos, check out the bolt diameter/breech face 'meat' for the cartridge head, and the big locking lugs for those who may have never seen it - MASSIVE. Bolt disassembles in about 2 seconds with three parts, very similar to said Arisaka mentioned above. Great rifle indeed.

I hear you on the safety, and the sights...but you have to remember the french....are....well french. This was to be the "backup" rifle in the series and the automatic was to be the main battle rifle, but those pesky Germans messed things up again. The french never had a round in the chamber till you are ready to shoot so the safety is just more stuff to go wrong....I want to say the thing busts down into like 10 parts.....pretty darn simple. The sight thing I can see both ways....you zero the rifle at the shop and there it is set....you take it to the field armorer for adjustment if you think it is out of wack....this is pretty odd for us 'mericans as we love to fiddle with sights....we grew up on target shooting...the french not so much....but it would be nice....mine I have to use Kentucky windage to make it hit.

Also remember France was bleed white after the first war, they knew if they needed manpower again they would likely be getting anyone that could hold a gun, and you don't want them fooling with stuff.
 
Galil5.56
Thanks for posting MAS are beautiful rifles, I remember seen then in a Frigate in Argentina.
 
I traded a hat for my MAS 36 bolt action OK it WAS an WWII German Artillery NCOs Dress Visor Hat but it was itself a gift so....

I have only shot French and Syrian ammo in mine and when the ammo did not hang fire or fail to fire it is an accurate little beast.

Given all the interesting things I have seen done by GIs to service weapons(and other equipment), I think the inter war French may have been on to something.

My experience with the MAS 49/56 was shooting with a French Infantry unit at a German Range and I was not that impressed, but I seem to be in the minority. I was very disappointed with the SMG and Platoon GPMG. I did rather like the M1950 9x19mm Pistol except for the safety.
Some men in that unit had experience with the French Version of the HK 51 with their weird sliding stock which they complained about. They thought it neat that all our Infantry were armed with Submachine guns...their description of the M16A1. Their machine gunners like our M60s and none of our gunners liked the French gun.
My Bud that got one of the M1944 proto types of the M49 sings its praises.

I did like that the French went to a "real" bayonet with the MAT 49/56.

Once a year or two before the adoption of Le Claron A French Officer of Commandos was discussing weaponry with me at a military event and lamented the coming loss of a real rifle cartridge. His concern... he felt Le Claron with its 5.56 ammo would be less effective delivering fire against tactical aircraft than his semi auto 7.5 X54. What can I say.....

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I traded a hat for my MAS 36 bolt action OK it WAS an WWII German Artillery NCOs Dress Visor Hat but it was itself a gift so....

I have only shot French and Syrian ammo in mine and when the ammo did not hang fire or fail to fire it is an accurate little beast.

Given all the interesting things I have seen done by GIs to service weapons(and other equipment), I think the inter war French may have been on to something.

My experience with the MAS 49/56 was shooting with a French Infantry unit at a German Range and I was not that impressed, but I seem to be in the minority. I was very disappointed with the SMG and Platoon GPMG. I did rather like the M1950 9x19mm Pistol except for the safety.
Some men in that unit had experience with the French Version of the HK 51 with their weird sliding stock which they complained about. They thought it neat that all our Infantry were armed with Submachine guns...their description of the M16A1. Their machine gunners like our M60s and none of our gunners liked the French gun.
My Bud that got one of the M1944 proto types of the M49 sings its praises.

I did like that the French went to a "real" bayonet with the MAT 49/56.

Once a year or two before the adoption of Le Claron A French Officer of Commandos was discussing weaponry with me at a military event and lamented the coming loss of a real rifle cartridge. His concern... he felt Le Claron with its 5.56 ammo would be less effective delivering fire against tactical aircraft than his semi auto 7.5 X54. What can I say.....

-kBob
I liked the MAT 49 VERY much when I found one in VN in 1970 owned at the time by an ARVN Cptain who would not part with it. It seemed like, and still does a perfect personal defense weapon. We walked outside one afternoon and he let me fire one magazine off into the mine field that enclosed his compound. It was better than ANY SMG I have ever fired except maybe an H&K MP5 .
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I have two French rifles, a semi-auto and a bolt action. both were rearsenaled to like new condition and I load for both, I did add a adjustable gas valve in the 49-56 and now it drops the fired cases about 3-4 feet away. both are battle accurett with the nod going to the 49-56 as I have a kvar scope mount on it. I do find the 49-56 a little chuncky and heavy for being so short, but that's just me.
 

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Thanks for posting MAS are beautiful rifles, I remember seen then in a Frigate in Argentina.
I liked the MAT 49 VERY much when I found one in VN in 1970 owned at the time by an ARVN Cptain who would not part with it. It seemed like, and still does a perfect personal defense weapon. We walked outside one afternoon and he let me fire one magazine off into the mine field that enclosed his compound. It was better than ANY SMG I have ever fired except maybe an H&K MP5 .
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Bad ass. I have watched videos of these firing, and they seem so controllable... Seem a fine SMG to me. I have tried to visit the German site where that photo is hosted, and my anti-virus won't let me (says it's a phishing website).. Dang it.
 
Galil5.56
Thanks for posting MAS are beautiful rifles, I remember seen then in a Frigate in Argentina.

Welcome czhen; interesting observation you made. I want to make sure I understand - Which rifle did you see on the Argentine frigate? Thanks.
 
It's nice to get all ten or so French rifle lovers together in one place.lol I picked up my 49/56 , original chambering, about 20 yrs ago. Had trouble finding ammo so I tried reloading but none would cycle the action. Even factory ammo would not cycle it so it sat , as punishment, until just last summer. I got playing around with it and found out that IMR 3031 is too slow a powder and switched to 4895. The 4895 works great ! I then dug through my ammo crate and tested all my factory 7.5. Seems that my rifle will only cycle with the Prvi. I only bought the 49/56 because I already was reloading for a sporterized MAS 36. Bro in law owed me money so I took the MA S 36 instead of cash that I would never have seen. The 36 was sporterized by the Golden State Arms Corp back in the day. They cut the stock and barrel down , installed the tallest front sight you've ever seen, and they added a SAFTEY ! Well, it blocks the trigger from being pulled anyways. You can see the safety just under/behind the back of the bolt I hunted NH for many seasons with that MA S 36 and never had an unintentional discharge. Did bag a nice ten of buck a few years ago with it though. Hopefully my pics will come out. Burke
 

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Thank you, in the first photo the 2nd from bottom (white knob charging handle).

Wow, I would have never guessed... Did you see any Argentine Navy FN-49's on the frigate, like the one shown just above the MAS 49/56?
 
It's nice to get all ten or so French rifle lovers together in one place.lol I picked up my 49/56 , original chambering, about 20 yrs ago. Had trouble finding ammo so I tried reloading but none would cycle the action. Even factory ammo would not cycle it so it sat , as punishment, until just last summer. I got playing around with it and found out that IMR 3031 is too slow a powder and switched to 4895. The 4895 works great ! I then dug through my ammo crate and tested all my factory 7.5. Seems that my rifle will only cycle with the Prvi. I only bought the 49/56 because I already was reloading for a sporterized MAS 36. Bro in law owed me money so I took the MA S 36 instead of cash that I would never have seen. The 36 was sporterized by the Golden State Arms Corp back in the day. They cut the stock and barrel down , installed the tallest front sight you've ever seen, and they added a SAFTEY ! Well, it blocks the trigger from being pulled anyways. You can see the safety just under/behind the back of the bolt I hunted NH for many seasons with that MA S 36 and never had an unintentional discharge. Did bag a nice ten of buck a few years ago with it though. Hopefully my pics will come out. Burke

Nice rifles NHcruffler, photos look great!

I always felt the MAS 36 would make a super handy deer rifle, and if the stocks short LOP is a problem, the handy OEM slip-on grenade launching pad makes things just perfect, and even more perfect especially if handloaded to its full potential. So much confusion as to its max allowed pressures - Some say 40k PSI, a case dimension sheet I have from Germany states 47,862 psi (3300 bar), and CIP says 55,144 psi max avg. Obviously with all of the 7.62mm conversions around, these rifles are plenty strong, and I'd say can handle a whole lot more than they are spec'd, even the CIP max avg.

FWIW, here are some chronograph results using IMR 4895, CCI #34 primers, PP cases, and WW surplus 147 grain M80 bullets. Also some testing done with AA 2460 and TAC, and lastly is some data for PP factory ammo with 139 grain FMJ bullets - I wish PP USA would bring over these bullets.

MAS 36: 45 gr IMR 4895 CCI 34 WW 147 grain FMJ/BT (undersized .3075”) heavy crimp to keep bullet PPU case
2635, 2564, 2594, AV 2597 ES 71 SD 35

MAS 49/56: 45 gr IMR 4895 CCI 34 WW 147 grain FMJ/BT (undersized .3075”) heavy crimp to keep bullet PPU case
2385, 2380, 2424, AV 2396 ES 44 SD 24

MAS 49/56: 46.5 gr IMR 4895 CCI 34 WW 147 gr FMJ-BT Privi cases
2539, 2515, 2539, AV 2531 ES 13 SD 24

MAS 49/56: 42.5 gr old (1993 era) AA2460 CCI 34 primer WW 147 grain FMJ-BT Privi cases
2482, 2393, 2482, AV 2452 ES 89 SD 51

MAS 49/56: 44 gr TAC CCI 34 primer WW 147 grain FMJ-BT Privi cases
2464, 2437, 2539, AV 2480 ES 102??? SD 52???

MAS 49/56 Privi Partizan 7.5x54 139 grain FMJ:

Clear tape over sensors 2482, 2506, 2515, AV 2501 ES 33 SD 17

No clear tape over sensors 2492, 2520, 2496, AV 2502 ES 28 SD 15
 
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