Enfield ammo test and German MEN .303 surplus

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Over the course of a couple months been testing ammo in the Enfield rifles and especially German MEN surplus ammo being sold by SGammo
https://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammo-sale/303-british-ammo

Tried the MEN surplus, Prvi and S&B. Results varied on the rifles but here are my results. I can say S&B tends to shoot the best overall but it is also the most expensive. But the MEN surplus is good ammo overall, does better than Prvi in some of my Enfield.

I went ahead and ordered 1500 rounds of the MEN that will last me a long time. Surplus .303 isn't really available much anymore and the MEN is well made and clean ammo so at 46 cents a round is about the cheapest I am seeing for non-corrosive good ammo. Although Wolf ammo is available for a little less which I haven't tried yet.

Three Enfield NO 4, a Farzakerley NO4 MK2 I bought new in the wrap in the mid 90's which I haven't that many rounds through it. A longbranch NO 4 MK1 with a very good barrel. A Savage No 4 M1 with a excellent barrel. Also tested my Lithgow No 1 MK3 with a excellent barrel.

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Lithgow NO1 MK3 does a little better with MEN ammo although impact is a little left
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Farakerley seems to do best with the MEN ammo

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The Longbranch likes S&B the best I once pulled off a 1 1/2 inch group with S&B but since I have so much MEN I adjusted the elevation since to be in the black with MEN ammo.

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The Savage NO4 MK1 shot similar with all the ammo , the 300 meter setting shoots low and the 600 meter setting shoots 2 o'clock high of the bulls.
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thank you, I shoot reloaded ammo in my 1943 No 4Mk 1* FTR-49 and it does quite well with 174 gr bullets at close 2400 fps .
 

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thank you, I shoot reloaded ammo in my 1943 No 4Mk 1* FTR-49 and it does quite well with 174 gr bullets at close 2400 fps .
reloading is the way to go to get the best many times, grill me once again because as much as I like shooting I still don't reload yet. Maybe one day. On average with my Enfields with factory or surplus ammo I average 3 to 4+ inch groups rested at 100 yds (with my ability). Not as accurate overall as say a Swiss K31 or Swedish mauser (with my ability) but the Enfield is a icon military rifle non the less.

But for those of you like me who don't reload I can recommend the German MEN ammo for overall shooting. The future of surplus .303 seems bleak and except for Wolf ammo it's the least expensive I've found. The Wolf ammo may shoot good though I don't know yet, it actually shot good in my M1A but I just don't to put too many steel cased rounds through it.
 
lol just a note, just realized if you look at the pic of my Savage at the range the guy next to me is shooting his .22 with the barrel resting on the rest. Not conducive to good accuracy.
 
MEN 7.62 NATO is very good stuff, I would expect the same from .303.

I believe the MEN 7.62 projectile is designed for better terminal performance than standard FMJ (yaw and break upon impact?) I wonder if the .303 is the same?
 
Nice rifles and shooting. Boy is that MEN ammo great looking stuff. Curious if you could take a few photos of fired cases from the No 4 MkII, and post them/PM them to me. I'd like to see how your rifle handles the brass. If so, it's appreciated.

I'm down to one Lee Enfield myself and it's an early 90's Irish contract rifle, I bet just like your No 4 MkII... Unwrapped it from it's gauze, and boom, a brand new rifle! I shoot handloads from mine, pushing 180 grain bullets to right around 2450 fps. I love the thing to death. Should you decide to start rolling your own, I think you will enjoy it.

I figure another lover of Lee Enfields, might enjoy seeing mine. Again, nice post, nice rifles and shooting. Well done.

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MEN 7.62 NATO is very good stuff, I would expect the same from .303.

I believe the MEN 7.62 projectile is designed for better terminal performance than standard FMJ (yaw and break upon impact?) I wonder if the .303 is the same?

I think if I recall correctly, UK Mk VII ammo initially had an aluminum, then wooden insert at the tip under the FM jacket, to encourage yaw on impact. Seem to recall they even sterilized the wood, to prevent infection of the gunshot wound. At least that is what I remember reading.
 
Mr. Lionking, I posted you a very sincere "Like" on your entry in appreciation for your work and good pics. I wish you lived close to my range so you could repeat your ammo tests using the Enfield sniper rifle, shown here... DSC_0506.JPG
 
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Nice rifles and shooting. Boy is that MEN ammo great looking stuff. Curious if you could take a few photos of fired cases from the No 4 MkII, and post them/PM them to me. I'd like to see how your rifle handles the brass. If so, it's appreciate /QUOTE]
next time I''ll save some for you to see, I didn't save the MEN brass which by the way it's Berden which I think means it can't be reloaded? That may be something for reloaders to consider
 
next time I''ll save some for you to see, I didn't save the MEN brass which by the way it's Berden which I think means it can't be reloaded? That may be something for reloaders to consider

Thanks, much appreciated. As for the MEN brass, there are ways to reload Berdan brass, but most won't go through the tedium to do so. Thanks for the heads-up.
 
Just a suggestion, but you might try re-seating the bullet on the MEN a few thousands deeper, breaking the 30+ year old bullet sealant at the neck.
 
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