sparkyv
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I did not know that. Now I've gotta try it. Sounds like fun!
Multi-Load .22 rifle
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I did not know that. Now I've gotta try it. Sounds like fun!
sparkyv
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That new Henry pump action with octagon barrel is on my list!
earlthegoat2
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Remington 572 pump
Or the Henry pump.
I have the Henry pump in .22 magnum and it is my favorite rifle.
Or the Henry pump.
I have the Henry pump in .22 magnum and it is my favorite rifle.
Dr T
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Back during the GREAT AMMO SHORTAGE of a few years ago, I picked up a brick of 22 Short HV (plus a few extra boxes) and five 100-round boxes of 22 Longs. To the naked eye, the longs look like a 22 LR case with a 22 s bullet. The problem with shorts is the fouling (scoring?) of a 22 LR chamber at the point of the 22 s case neck. I suspect that it is lead fouling left by the base expansion of the 22 short bullet in the chamber.
After the experience of scubbing out a revolver cylinder fired with a box of 22 shorts about 3 or so decades ago, I decided to restrict the shorts to the one gun I have chambered for it: An immaculate Winchester Pump Gallery Gun (1906) with gorgeous wood which is likely the most valuable thing in my collection. Now if I could just bring myself to shoot it...
After the experience of scubbing out a revolver cylinder fired with a box of 22 shorts about 3 or so decades ago, I decided to restrict the shorts to the one gun I have chambered for it: An immaculate Winchester Pump Gallery Gun (1906) with gorgeous wood which is likely the most valuable thing in my collection. Now if I could just bring myself to shoot it...
I have an older Marlin 39 (1960's production) that the previous owner shot a lot of 22 shorts through. The chamber is pretty messed up and 22 LR ammo will no longer chamber. I suppose it could be cleaned up enough to be able to use LR ammo, but I just haven't had the time. I have another similar vintage Marlin and a Winchester 94-22 that get used more just for that reason. Based on that experience it isn't worth the effort to fool with 22 shorts to me.
Bbear
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I have shot literally thousands of 22 Shorts and Long Rifles (and quite a few longs) through my Remington 552. I clean the poor thing about every other year. Mix 'em up in the tubular magazine, it doesn't care. Used it for shooting jackrabbits in hayfields as well as quite a number of raccoons, fox, coyote, possums and other small game. Great little rifles.
A gunsmith told me he once cleaned one with a reamer that gripped in the lead when he fixed my Cooey (lost pin at the end of the magazine tube). I never had any problem with the Cooey. It was shot very little before I got my hands on it, and it shot a proportionally infinitesimal number of shorts when I was a kid. Dad mostly bought 22 Long, I think, but it might also have been .22 LR. As an adult, when I inherited the rifle from grandpa through my uncle, I only shot .22 LR because it is all I could buy around here. I now keep the rifle clean, contrarily to what it had been used to in the now distant past.
I doubt you ever will see a 22 Long on a store shelf. According to an old Cartridges of the World 6th Edition the 22 L and 22 LR share the same case dimensions. The 22 S came along as early as 1857. The 22 L came along around 1871 pre dating the 22 LR of around 1887. Originally the 22 S used a 4 grain fine black powder loading, the 22 Long used a longer case and a 5 grain loading of black powder. The Short and the Long were both originally loaded with black powder and a 29 grain bullet. The 22 Short used a .423" case length and the 22 Long used a .595" case length. When the 22 Long Rifle came along it used the same case length as the 22 Long it also used a 5 grain black powder charge but a 40 grain bullet. Then came along smokeless powder propellant and everything changed. Anyway, the 22 Long and 22 Long Rifle share identical cases. There was even a 22 Extra Long at one time along with a pile of other 22 cartridges. Again, this is my read in Cartridges of the World Sixth Edition and it does conflict with the Wikipedia which claims a difference in case length between 22 L and 22 LR.Reflecting a .613" case length 22 L and 22 LR.
Anyawy, I doubt we will see a box of 22 Long anytime soon.
Ron
I still have a few boxes and grab them any time I can find them. Very sub sonic, I am not sure why they are not popular with can guys....but if you shoot them you really don't even need a can....I have air guns that are louder....and shoot faster....IIRC they lope along at around 700 fps. I have a few old single shot bolt rifles that love them....LOVE....I can (this is ME with irons) on my bench and just sit and ring steel 6" at 100 yards....I can just see a speck of white at 100 yards....if the sun is in the right spot....ding ding ding....it is just so easy....and yea I know....no ears required.
Stop reading now....old FP is going off on another ramble.
This is really fun...fall, spring. Out back shooting no ears you can hear everything....I had the ever living _______ scarred out of my by a doe standing not 10 feet behind me watching what I was doing....she was right there. Also had owl's watching me, hawks......you hear nature....and that is fun sports fans.
As to suggestions I will second 552....wife has a 1970 vintage one, and aside from a little more of a pain to take down to clean....and you do need to tear that sucker down to clean.....but I can tell you it will run with 40 years of gook built up in it.....I have never seen things so thick, and I thought the FIL was a gun guy that took care of his stuff. It will run with more cake on it then any ruger I have ever had (duh) or seen....I am telling you it is one of those things that you think...whoever did this needs his a$$ removed....this stuff is thic....as in over fingernail thick....and that little rifle just run and run.
22250Rem
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Cokeman beat me to it on that Henry lever action 22..... I got the base model rifle, not carbine, ( model H001 ) back in October and it's also specified as being able to use 22 short, long, and long rifle. O.P. was looking for a rifle to shoot all 3 and the Henry 22 lever guns are apparently able to do just that. I was pleasantly surprised by that when I was looking at mine before I bought it. They even mark it on the barrel. So far its only had 22 LR through it and they shoot well, but there are 22 shorts and longs here that will have to wait for a nice spring day. There are some pictures of it here on the computer and here are those barrel markings proclaiming compatibility with those rounds.
Looking forward to playing around with the various ammo types come spring and may even do some chronographing and see what kind of velocity differences they produce.
Looking forward to playing around with the various ammo types come spring and may even do some chronographing and see what kind of velocity differences they produce.
MachIVshooter
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Because they often are supersonic (CCI longs are a 29 gr. bullet listed at 1,215 FPS muzzle), they won't cycle semi-autos, and the stubby bullet can cause feeding issues with some guns. CCI CB longs are only 710 FPS, but so is the Quiet .22, with a heavier bullet, and at about half the price. But the Quiets still won't cycle most autoloaders reliably.
Most of us use CCI standard velocity or one of the various 40-45 gr. subsonic loads out there. I have a lot of CCI standard and American Eagle 45 gr. subsonic.
Skylerbone
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The SA-22 might be a good bet for one that would cycle with Shorts as it was available in a Short Only model. The caveat is it still catalogs as a 1:16 barrel instead of 1:20 or I’d likely have one of my own.
Catpop
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Man it’s great to again hear about those old Model 6 Savages! I loved those old early knurled receiver knob receiver vent cut 22s. They used to be a dime a dozen at the pawn shops- today you never see them anymore!
Wish I still had one!!!!
WestKentucky
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My marlin 60 shoots all three, but it has a weak spring and I don’t feed it high velocity ammo any more. I need to overhaul it.
chicharrones
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I started doubting myself as I haven't fired .22 shorts through my CZ452 in quite some time. So, I loaded up two polymer and two steel 5-shot mags full up with CCI CB shorts.
All three magazine loads of shorts fed, fired, and ejected perfectly.
CZ really thought out those magazines and the gun, it would seem.
chicharrones
needs more ammo
I started doubting myself as I haven't fired .22 shorts through my CZ452 in quite some time. So, I loaded up two polymer and two steel 5-shot mags full up with CCI CB shorts.
All three magazine loads of shorts fed, fired, and ejected perfectly.
CZ really thought out those magazines and the gun, it would seem.
Just wanted to point out that I can't add and couldn't edit my prior post. It was supposed to read two polymer and one steel magazine. Ooops.
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