CMP 1911’s-they started shipping!

Walkalong quote from another thread: "Guns are very personal. The good news is we have a lot of very good choices out there to pick from."

I'm really looking forward to one of these. I love history. I love old military guns. I love a lot of the new ones, too. I, for one, don't believe that these sales are going to keep on going. We have a Democrat House and if we get a Democrat president there is no way they will be selling handguns to the public while railing against handguns. That said, I'd still want one if they sold all 80,000 of them tomorrow. My 11 year old and 8 year old are as fascinated with history and WW2 as I am, perhaps more. I wish you could have seen the look on their face when I told them about the auction.

I think part of the split here is that the people ordering these are not expecting a 21st century race gun. We know there are more accurate options out there. We know there are cheaper options out there. We know there are more reliable options out there. We also know that this is unique. We know that we will own a piece of history that we only wish could tell the story behind it--even if that story never left the garrison. We know that peoples eyes will light up, like our own, when we show them the comparison between the 1911 that our troops fought with and the ones that are produced now. And we can take them to the range and let them see and feel the difference.

To me, that's worth every penny. To you it may not be. I'll buy one and you buy what you want. That's America people...and I love it.

Mark

And this is where your premise (and those of other collectors) differs from the stated mission of the CMP. Some folks are bemoaning that the value of their WW2 rifles takes a hit every time the CMP mentions they have a few more Garands, or this 1911 program.

But the mission of the CMP is not to increase the value of your collection. Their mission is to train and educate. They fund themselves through various sales programs.

One could argue that they could boost their budget by pushing up the prices of their sales. But then, they'd be little more than a for-profit ... CMP would become Century Arms (half-kidding), and I don't think any of us want that.

My CMP Garands have easily doubled in market value over the past 2 decades. My CMP 1903A3s and M1917 have appreciated, but less handsomely over the past 15 years. But that's not why I got into CMP rifles. Not as an investment. My investments are in my 401k, market fund, etc. My hobbies are in my gun safe.

GooseGestapo said:

Personally, I don’t see them as collectible.
Vast majority are mix-masters, and unlike the .30Carbine, much superior commercial production is easily available and at a much lower price.

Each surplus 1911 sold increases the privately owned inventory reducing the value of all those already in circulation.

Try selling a mixmaster Garand at a gunshow or online auction. Hint, they sell for LESS than CMP wants for them...

Where the interest is going to be is getting several and swapping parts to generate a “correct” item, as regards original parts. Current price point and sales policy/procedures obstructs this.

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D.B. Cooper said:

You must have been doing Union Army.

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yep, nothing but. Blue kersey runs in our family's veins since 1858.

D.B. Cooper said:

I keep hearing the term "mixmaster" used in the pejorative. (As in "stinking lousy mixmaster.") I would point out that a mixmaster is still a piece of history. Is it the most perfect holy grail of collectors? Is it that incredibly rare Singer with all matching and correct parts? Certainly not. But neither is it some POS knock-off made in the Philippines, i.e. Springfield and Armscor.

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All my CMP rifles are "mixmasters" - I fully agree with the point you making here. Except for the POS comment about Springfields - my Springer 1911 is Brazilian made. And outlasted and outshot my Colt ORM 1911. But it's an older Springer - don't know if their quality has decreased over time, or if they shifted any outsourcing to the Phillipines (don't think so). But will again agree with your on Armscor - not a fan.

Wojonik, assuming you post was in response to mine...

I’m pretty sure I didn’t say anything about the 1911 being an investment. I’m pretty sure I talked about shooting it with my boys and others.

I completely understand the mission of the CMP. I’m pretty sure my M1 Garand has turned a few non shooters into shooters or at least away from being anti gun. No safe queens in my gun safe but I don’t care if someone else wants to just look at their gun and not shoot it.

I’m also pretty sure the CMP understands part of the value of their sale is that it is a piece of history and something different from buying a new in box Garand from Springfield.

Looking forward to shooting my CMP 1911 and thinking about the story behind mine.

Mark

Mark - nope, actually I wasn't addressing your post, and pretty much agree with everything you just wrote above.

I got my number the other day. 2927. Should be a good one. Most of the 8000 available ones are service grade. If I hate it, and I doubt I will, I will have zero problems selling it and even making a profit. It surely will never go down in price, unlike most guns.

Homerboy said:

I got my number the other day. 2927. Should be a good one. Most of the 8000 available ones are service grade. If I hate it, and I doubt I will, I will have zero problems selling it and even making a profit. It surely will never go down in price, unlike most guns.

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Interesting. I thought they would be through them all by now.

D.B. Cooper said:

Interesting. I thought they would be through them all by now.

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It’s gonna be a couple more months until all numbers are generated. Guys in the CMP forum are saying roughly 2 weeks to call after the email. We’ll see.

Seems to me that they've been saying "30-60 days" for quite a while now.

What? No one here has received their 1911 yet?

Eagerly awaiting photos of actual CMP 1911s ...

Old Dog said:

What? No one here has received their 1911 yet?

Eagerly awaiting photos of actual CMP 1911s ...

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Go to the CMP forum. Lots of guys got theirs and the pics look very nice.

As for the 30-60 days, most have gotten it in like 2 weeks after the call. And last I checked; they were into the mid thousands.

Homerboy said:

Go to the CMP forum. Lots of guys got theirs and the pics look very nice.

As for the 30-60 days, most have gotten it in like 2 weeks after the call. And last I checked; they were into the mid thousands.

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No, the CMP has been saying it would take 30-60 days to contact everyone...for about the last 4 months.

D.B. Cooper said:

No, the CMP has been saying it would take 30-60 days to contact everyone...for about the last 4 months.

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They do seem to be lagging on assigning a number to everybody. But once a number is assigned the posts I have been contributing to on the CMP forum are showing a call for credit card info is happening between 2 weeks to a month. And once the credit card is given the gun is in your hand in days.

I’m just glad I made the cut. I’ll have it before Valentine’s I’m sure. The sooner the better of course.

And the highest number I have seen on that forum is like 3200. And they don’t jump in huge batches. Like al of a sudden they’re up to 4500. I think most people who ordered one joined that forum for updates. They have like 6800 to sell after auction and parts guns. You’re not out of it by a long shot.

This is a good thing for those wanting a collectable pistol. I hope all of you that applied get one. A rare opportunity for those that want that piece of history. To me the price is a fair bit excessive for what you get. This is to fund the CMP and that is a good thing and they are worth supporting though. BUT I am not a serious collector of anything military. Anything I buy will be used and not babied at all. If one was to fall out of the sky and into my hands I would use it as the tool it is but otherwise no big interest at this point.

FROGO207 said:

This is a good thing for those wanting a collectable pistol. I hope all of you that applied get one. A rare opportunity for those that want that piece of history. To me the price is a fair bit excessive for what you get. This is to fund the CMP and that is a good thing and they are worth supporting though. BUT I am not a serious collector of anything military. Anything I buy will be used and not babied at all. If one was to fall out of the sky and into my hands I would use it as the tool it is but otherwise no big interest at this point.

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Yeah. But I have enough guns that none of them got shot more than 300-400 rounds a year. I see this 1911 as something to shoot a box or two of ammo a year through, and just enjoy owning it. I guess I'll get some reloading dies and components just cause I reload for everything else, but mine won't get any real mileage. I figure it's done enough and should enjoy its retirement in my safe! It will look good next to my 1944 Springfield M1 Garand.

FROGO207 said:

This is a good thing for those wanting a collectable pistol. I hope all of you that applied get one. A rare opportunity for those that want that piece of history. To me the price is a fair bit excessive for what you get. This is to fund the CMP and that is a good thing and they are worth supporting though. BUT I am not a serious collector of anything military. Anything I buy will be used and not babied at all. If one was to fall out of the sky and into my hands I would use it as the tool it is but otherwise no big interest at this point.

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]Yeah. But I have enough guns that none of them got shot more than 300-400 rounds a year. I see this 1911 as something to shoot a box or two of ammo a year through, and just enjoy owning it. I guess I'll get some reloading dies and components just cause I reload for everything else, but mine won't get any real mileage. I figure it's done enough and should enjoy its retirement in my safe! It will look good next to my 1944 Springfield M1 Garand.

BTW I own several 1911 style/copy pistols and like them but for that much cashola I will go with something newer that I will not hurt the value of or break it if I decide to just shoot the snot out of it. YMMV

Here we are 3 months into this discussion and CMP has posted an update to their 1911 webpage that says, in huge red letters "sold out."

Yet, if you look at the CMP forums on the 1911 randomly generated numbers, as of yesterday, they appeared to be right at 4000 and sending out about 100 numbers per day.

D.B. Cooper said:

Here we are 3 months into this discussion and CMP has posted an update to their 1911 webpage that says, in huge red letters "sold out."

Yet, if you look at the CMP forums on the 1911 randomly generated numbers, as of yesterday, they appeared to be right at 4000 and sending out about 100 numbers per day.

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Doesn’t that simply mean that existing orders will be fulfilled, but no new orders will be taken? All available guns are spoken for, just not yet delivered. Or am I wrong?

Batty67 said:

When I first joined my field artillery Virginia Army National Guard unit in late 1992, as the "new lieutenant" I got assigned to supervise the manual serial number check on all firearms in the armory. I took a look at the 1911s we had, and they all looked old and tired. And that was over 25 years ago! I handled a few, and it seemed like they all rattled...a LOT.

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I thought 1911s were supposed to rattle! Just like AKs! You mean some don’t!
I’m horrified!!!!

My dad and I are still waiting for our numbers. How/why is it taking so long to assign numbers? Seems like something that could be done in a single day.

Just checked the CMP forums tonight. The most recent report is 7271. Less than 800 to go; doesn't look good.

Although, I'll just be relieved when this over. That thousand dollars is burning a whole in my pocket. LOL.

D.B. Cooper said:

Just checked the CMP forums tonight. The most recent report is 7271. Less than 800 to go; doesn't look good.

Although, I'll just be relieved when this over. That thousand dollars is burning a whole in my pocket. LOL.

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It looks like they may have started with #1000, so it's not QUITE as bleak of a lookout. I had pretty much given up on year 1, but I just got my number last week.

Now more waiting....

Saw one on CMP forum today that looked great...colt slide and frame, with a rebuild date of 7/76...Bicentennial gun!
As far as “mixmaster” being used to somehow devalue a CMP gun, I find it absurd. It bothers me how many people on CMP forum will strip a receiver and recreate an all matching Carbine. If anything, a phony “matching” Carbine is less original than one rebuilt by the service.
It doesn’t bother me at all that my six digit Inland has a ‘44 Underwood barrel on it. My Inland was worth $200 more than I paid for it, the minute I walked out of North Store with it. Today, over twice as much. Heck, I could probably sell the I-cut Rockola stock it came in for more than I paid for the whole Carbine.
I believe it will be the same with these 1911’s.

I got my number today in an email.

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