Frohickey
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Are you sure its not President Gilmore, and the AWB2 was because of a Stadium Massacre?
Are you sure its not President Gilmore, and the AWB2 was because of a Stadium Massacre?
When they come for your guns - what will you do?
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molonlabe
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Nightwatch.
Well said. I didn't even give that comment the courtesy of a reply. There will always be people who sit on the sidelines while others fight for liberty. That’s been going on since the beginning of time. People were marched right into the gas chambers of Dachau believing up to the last minute that somehow it wasn’t happening or someone would save them. I have no use for sheep. Sheep deserve to be slaughtered. I and many other people I know would rather take a bullet while biting the nose off of the pig guard marching me into the gas chambers.
So that’s what I have to say about that.
Well said. I didn't even give that comment the courtesy of a reply. There will always be people who sit on the sidelines while others fight for liberty. That’s been going on since the beginning of time. People were marched right into the gas chambers of Dachau believing up to the last minute that somehow it wasn’t happening or someone would save them. I have no use for sheep. Sheep deserve to be slaughtered. I and many other people I know would rather take a bullet while biting the nose off of the pig guard marching me into the gas chambers.
So that’s what I have to say about that.
Matthew Courtney
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In late December of 1776, the Continental Army was reeling, having suffered defeat after defeat. General Washington realized that the best way to defeat a jack booted Hessian thug was to attack him while he's in bed asleep, rather than waiting until he attacks you.
Molon Labe
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Cosmoline is correct… there will be no door-to-door searches. The law will simply be another tool in the Fed’s toolbox to bust “undesirable†people. You won’t be hassled if you’re a party member who tows the party line.
But if the JBTs do come a-knock’n, I will hope I’ll have enough time to get the hell out of the house before they get to the door! (Most of us seem to ignore this point.) I’ll get at least 300 yards away, where I can “assess†the situation. I’ll either try to pick ‘em off right then and there, or (more likely) I’ll go to a rally/safe point where I had previously cached food, water, guns, ammo, etc. From there I can meet my buddies, where we will plan on the next move.
People seem to be forgetting that you can’t fight if you’re lying in a coffin. You are no good to us dead, so don’t try to be a martyr! Instead, try to stay alive, and then get with your buddies and make plans on how to defeat the enemy in an intelligent (and proven) way. If you need a clue, get a book on guerilla warfare.
But if the JBTs do come a-knock’n, I will hope I’ll have enough time to get the hell out of the house before they get to the door! (Most of us seem to ignore this point.) I’ll get at least 300 yards away, where I can “assess†the situation. I’ll either try to pick ‘em off right then and there, or (more likely) I’ll go to a rally/safe point where I had previously cached food, water, guns, ammo, etc. From there I can meet my buddies, where we will plan on the next move.
People seem to be forgetting that you can’t fight if you’re lying in a coffin. You are no good to us dead, so don’t try to be a martyr! Instead, try to stay alive, and then get with your buddies and make plans on how to defeat the enemy in an intelligent (and proven) way. If you need a clue, get a book on guerilla warfare.
Wildalaska
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Oh yeah, Me hi co, now there is truly a free, non socialist paragon of human rights where everybody may be armed LOL
Whooa there Pilgrim...where ya posting from NYC...lets see...cant get a pistol permit for self defense unless you are somebody, have to register ALL firearms, no semi autos...sounds like the boots on your neck already...why are you chest thumpin here?
Yeah well some of my relatives were those "sheep"..ya saying they deserved it? Let me know whether you are just serious or running off at the mouth? That way when I get tossed off for telling you exactly what I think of your bulls*it I will be doing it for a reason
WildgonnaloseitAlaska
Linux&Gun Guy
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Fighting sounds good(or running, regrouping and then fighting) but better to avoid the problem by voting and writting. Sure it may not help but at least you tried.
Nightwatch and molonlabe,
You guys are really missing the point. Strutting around thumping your chests about what you'd do -- by gum! -- when the JBTs come only distracts you from what you ought to be doing today to prevent it from occurring in the first place.
But the fact is that you both have proven yourselves unwilling walk what you talk. It's not hypothetical. You both live in states (NY and MD) that have some of the worst gun control laws in the nation -- far beyond what the Founders would have tolerated. Indeed, in Nightwatch's NYC, they have confiscated guns.
Yet neither of you have resorted to violence (thank God). Your peacefulness proves beyond a shadow of doubt that you both are willing to stand for extreme violations of your gun rights.
Spare us the threats of murderous terrorism ("blow myself to bits and take a few hundred or thousand with me").
Spare us the hypothetical hyperbole about gas chamber guards, which deflects attention from the fact that you are peacefully enduring extreme gun control at this very second in contrast to your chest thumping.
And how dare you suggest that those of us who don't strut around frothing over mass violence are "standing on the sidelines of liberty."
You guys are really missing the point. Strutting around thumping your chests about what you'd do -- by gum! -- when the JBTs come only distracts you from what you ought to be doing today to prevent it from occurring in the first place.
But the fact is that you both have proven yourselves unwilling walk what you talk. It's not hypothetical. You both live in states (NY and MD) that have some of the worst gun control laws in the nation -- far beyond what the Founders would have tolerated. Indeed, in Nightwatch's NYC, they have confiscated guns.
Yet neither of you have resorted to violence (thank God). Your peacefulness proves beyond a shadow of doubt that you both are willing to stand for extreme violations of your gun rights.
Spare us the threats of murderous terrorism ("blow myself to bits and take a few hundred or thousand with me").
Spare us the hypothetical hyperbole about gas chamber guards, which deflects attention from the fact that you are peacefully enduring extreme gun control at this very second in contrast to your chest thumping.
And how dare you suggest that those of us who don't strut around frothing over mass violence are "standing on the sidelines of liberty."
Don of Kalifornia
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Looks like it would be our second civil war. I'm 48, no depends, and decided I never want to die like my dad did, drooling after 10 years of strokes. They can have mine, getting them bullets first.
California assault ban registration, was my line in the sand, wanta push anymore it's fighting time.
Until they do come to collect my guns, I'll fight as hard as I can to prtect the Second Ammendment, doing my best with GOA, GOC, NRA and others.
And most importantly voting PRO-GUN!!!
California assault ban registration, was my line in the sand, wanta push anymore it's fighting time.
Until they do come to collect my guns, I'll fight as hard as I can to prtect the Second Ammendment, doing my best with GOA, GOC, NRA and others.
And most importantly voting PRO-GUN!!!
NIGHTWATCH
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dischord, you really need to take a look, a hard look, at the rules of this forum regarding personal attacks.
My response was based on "IF". I endure, yes. Because I am a gun owner living in a gun hating city. Who is not a criminal. Not a killer. But an advocate of civil liberty. I am living my birthright. And doing all that I can politically, financially and spiritually to pre-empt a national crisis regarding the RKBA.
However, "IF" the dark time ever came where I felt the pain of tyranny on my neck, I would give my life. Does that scare you? Make you uncomfortable? Or is it that you have yet to reach that resolve?... Im being polite.
My response was based on "IF". I endure, yes. Because I am a gun owner living in a gun hating city. Who is not a criminal. Not a killer. But an advocate of civil liberty. I am living my birthright. And doing all that I can politically, financially and spiritually to pre-empt a national crisis regarding the RKBA.
However, "IF" the dark time ever came where I felt the pain of tyranny on my neck, I would give my life. Does that scare you? Make you uncomfortable? Or is it that you have yet to reach that resolve?... Im being polite.
Wildalaska
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Guess there is "tyranny" and there is "tyranny"...
Ya got the "tyranny" of being forced, by law, to give up certain guns, and having others registered, and in fact having to turn some of those in in the past, and youve got the "tyranny" that lets you thump your chest on the internet and talk about war like a kid playin with GI Joe...
I get real nervous about these threads....if only becasue of the reputaiton of this Board...
WildteotwawkiAlaska
Cosmoline
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As things stand now, we have a kind of balance. There are many states with draconian gun control laws. But most of the folks who can't live with such laws have either left or never lived there to begin with. At the same time a growing number of states in the south, mountain west (plus AK, NH and some others) are going the other direction and making gun ownership and concealed carry easier than they've ever been. While I don't like this divergence, it does have the beneft of being a safety valve. As long as there's AK or Wyoming there won't be a revolution.
BUt if the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT passed nationwide laws along the lines of those found in the UK or some Eastern states I would worry a great deal about the results. The safety valves would be gone. As I said before there's no way the feds would mount a door-to-door search. But at the same time tens of MILLIONS of Americans would have to chose whether to give up their pride and rights or become felons. Whether the law would ever catch them is beside the point. The only analogy is prohibition--and we all know what the answer was there. Millions of Americans broke the law. But of course breaking that law by having a few brews was not a major crime. Breaking a federal gun ban is orders of magnitude more serious, esp. given how much more powerful federal law enforcement is now compared with the 1920's. It would not be a happy time.
BUt if the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT passed nationwide laws along the lines of those found in the UK or some Eastern states I would worry a great deal about the results. The safety valves would be gone. As I said before there's no way the feds would mount a door-to-door search. But at the same time tens of MILLIONS of Americans would have to chose whether to give up their pride and rights or become felons. Whether the law would ever catch them is beside the point. The only analogy is prohibition--and we all know what the answer was there. Millions of Americans broke the law. But of course breaking that law by having a few brews was not a major crime. Breaking a federal gun ban is orders of magnitude more serious, esp. given how much more powerful federal law enforcement is now compared with the 1920's. It would not be a happy time.
SnakeEater
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How many heavily armed troops do we have in Iraq? A very few resistance fighters(terrorists) are sure giving them all they can handle. Urban warfare is tough, very tough. It would only require a small percentage of gun owners to actively resist, it would be very nasty. Most of the legwork would be done by local LEO's who aren't prepared for this task, I'd think quite a few would quit their jobs rather than be killed. I don't know what will spark this insurgency, I don't believe it will be an outright gun ban. Something much smaller could very easily spiral out of control.
I don't think you'll ever see major combat in American cities. I can see targeted killings of federal agents, LEO's, and politicians if push comes to shove. Let's hope we never find out.
I don't think you'll ever see major combat in American cities. I can see targeted killings of federal agents, LEO's, and politicians if push comes to shove. Let's hope we never find out.
NIGHTWATCH
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Maybe in Alaska you have that kind of tyranny. Not in New York City my friend.
Also, the title of this thread is "what will you do when they come for your guns"? Its obvious that some here would begin preparing a petition as there home is being destroyed and arms confiscated by those "sworn to protect us".
Molonlabe is right. And some are on the wrong side of history.
I violated no rules.
You said you were willing to murder thousands of people by blowing yourself and them up, and I criticized you. How dare you attempt to hide behind the rules against personal attacks to avoid criticism of your pro-murder, pro-terrorism chest thumping.
You suggested you would react with violence if the state ever tried to take your guns, and I questioned if that were true based on your currently docile response to some of the most draconian gun laws in the nation, NYC's.
You have proven beyond the shadow of doubt that you are willing to live peacefully under New York City’s draconian gun laws, so spare me the chest thumping that you'd react with murderous terrorism to draconian gun laws.
Absolute B.S. Gun-wise, Mr. New York City, you already live under the tyranny of some of the most draconian gun laws in the nation, and you haven't "given you life." Spare me any further strutting and chest thumping.
No, I'm just sick to death of faux revolutionaries who claim they’d have murderous bravado in the face of tyrannical gun laws even as they already live peacefully under tyrannical gun laws.
Tell me about it.
Wildalaska
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Huh
Hmm...
So NYC allows open and concealed carry of any handgun, rifle or full auto weapon (if appropriate license is had) like Alaska does? No wonder you guys arent rising against the "man" (except on the internet)
WildholyautosearbatmangonnamovebacktoNYCAlaska
Thus NIGHTWATCH proves he has no idea what gun laws he lives under or their history. I take this as proof that he has failed to do much, if anything, to work against gun control.
Those people who fail to work peacefully to stop draconian laws have no right whatsoever to strut around claiming they'd blow up thousands of people if such laws were in effect.
NIGHTWATCH
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Are you on freaking drugs dischord!!!??? Cant you read english! Stop reading my words out of context and go change your panties if you going to have a sissy fit!!!
Yes, IF our government began confiscating guns, a criminal act against the American people. And I was harmed in that process, I would act to defend my country. What are you? A communist coward?!!! What would you do? Give them up and roll over? Than you are a coward! Deal with your cowardice and stop projecting your fears onto others! And how dare you call yourself a man!!! Coward!!!
And WildAlaska, you are blessed to be in a part of the nation that believes in freedom. Stop talking about tyranny. Because you dont know what it is like to live here and try to have a RKBA and remain hopeful.
You dont have a fu#@&* clue.
Q: When they come for your guns - what will you do?
A: I'll read all the comments from the same old folks, who'll defend any action of the government; performing rhetorical backflips; telling everyone just how constitutional (and moral to boot) the confiscation action is....those who at the same time, will undoubtedly use that opportunity to denigrate & chastise anyone who would even think of opposing the action. Tinfoil...paranoid...loonie...chest thumping...copbashing blah, blah, blah. Noticing the same folks rarely offer anything positive/constructive? Anyway, the above would provide some brief entertainment value, but is not really central to the question.
Back on topic, I heard a phrase used today..."strategic ambiguity"; regarding Israel's nuclear capability, to outside officials of the IAEA. They (Israel) refuse to acknowlege or disclose even the quantity/type of armaments, much less any specific course of action in response to a hypothetical threat. This approach might be applied...i.e., when agent Schmuckatelli knocks at the door, will he be greeted by MK Gandhi, or D Koresh? Will the book of the day be "Teaching of the Gita", or, "TM31"? Who's to know? What day of the week is it?
The idea is to create uncertainty, as to the nature of the response, and to represent the possibilities with as large a dynamic range as possible. In that regard, what some criticize as "chest thumping", may very well serve as a sobering pause to prosepective confiscators (before the fact), and in itself may PREVENT the action from taking place.
Strategic ambiguity.
A: I'll read all the comments from the same old folks, who'll defend any action of the government; performing rhetorical backflips; telling everyone just how constitutional (and moral to boot) the confiscation action is....those who at the same time, will undoubtedly use that opportunity to denigrate & chastise anyone who would even think of opposing the action. Tinfoil...paranoid...loonie...chest thumping...copbashing blah, blah, blah. Noticing the same folks rarely offer anything positive/constructive? Anyway, the above would provide some brief entertainment value, but is not really central to the question.
Back on topic, I heard a phrase used today..."strategic ambiguity"; regarding Israel's nuclear capability, to outside officials of the IAEA. They (Israel) refuse to acknowlege or disclose even the quantity/type of armaments, much less any specific course of action in response to a hypothetical threat. This approach might be applied...i.e., when agent Schmuckatelli knocks at the door, will he be greeted by MK Gandhi, or D Koresh? Will the book of the day be "Teaching of the Gita", or, "TM31"? Who's to know? What day of the week is it?
The idea is to create uncertainty, as to the nature of the response, and to represent the possibilities with as large a dynamic range as possible. In that regard, what some criticize as "chest thumping", may very well serve as a sobering pause to prosepective confiscators (before the fact), and in itself may PREVENT the action from taking place.
Strategic ambiguity.
Moparmike
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Easy Nightwatch. Deep Breaths...
Umm, what "reputation" would that be, Wild? I dont quite understand what you are insinuating.
You said -- in English -- that you were willing to murder thousands of people by blowing up yourself and them. You wrote: "All I do know is that I would rather blow myself to bits and take a few hundred or thousand with me and let them taste the bitterness of the phrase "Dont Tread On Me" than live as a victim."
That, however, is a violation of the rules against personal attacks. ROTFLMAO
BTW, yes, I am unwilling to murder thousands of people in the type of suicidal terrorist bombing you suggest you'd commit. If that makes me a communist coward, then so be it.
NIGHTWATCH
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"Give me liberty or give me death", does that mean anything to you?!! A "Spirit of Resistance"? What do you think the RKBA is about? Hunting? Target practice? Or waging war against people who would enslave us? Stop reading my words out of context and get on the right side of history!!! Coward!!!
I skipped to the end so sorry if it has already been said but:
Why would you burry weapons? If you bury them you can't use them, and what good are weapons you can't use? You either turn them in or you use them. If you believe that it is trully wrong for them to take them, then you either fold or you don't. I'm not advocating anything, Each person has a different view of what they are willing to do to defend what they believe in. If you have a wife and a few toddlers are you gonna put them at risk of dying to keep a firearm? Maybe, maybe not. But getting back to the main point, A buried gun is worthless.
Why would you burry weapons? If you bury them you can't use them, and what good are weapons you can't use? You either turn them in or you use them. If you believe that it is trully wrong for them to take them, then you either fold or you don't. I'm not advocating anything, Each person has a different view of what they are willing to do to defend what they believe in. If you have a wife and a few toddlers are you gonna put them at risk of dying to keep a firearm? Maybe, maybe not. But getting back to the main point, A buried gun is worthless.
Michigander
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I'm not sure what kind of tyranny Wildalaska is referring to in NYC. Should I suppose that Wildalaska actually believes there are some "gun control" laws that are unconstitutional?
NIGHTWATCH
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What meds are you on dischord. Tell us, maybe we can help.
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