Video: Teen steals gun from man working on his car.

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This was posted on another forum I saw yesterday. Most of the posters were ripping the guy for OCing and they opined that was the reason he got "taken". My problem with Mr. Mechanic is two-fold:
1.) Bad "situational awareness". The man was oblivious to what was going on around him. Granted, the perp "pussy-footed" up on him, using the car to shield him from view, and this is where my second problem occurs.
2.) Bad "retention". From the slick way the perp got the gun out of the holster, I question if this holster had ANY form of retention on it.
I don't have a problem with the man OCing as we don't know anything about the neighborhood, where he lives, problems he might have had in the past, etc.
 
This looks like a staged video. Kind of trollish. Sure, open carry must occur with situational awareness. But forget about OC and consider if the guy was working on his car and a perp stabbed him or mugged him or committed another crime on him. Then he's just a victim of a crime. Just because he is OCing, is he suddenly asking for it? If a woman dresses provocatively, is she asking to be assaulted?
 
This looks like a staged video. Kind of trollish.
It is not a staged video. It is from a police call for persons who may know the person who committed the theft to come forward with information.

https://www.kansas.com/news/local/c...Ni6XsImg6yzSkbiil0E0q1rxCm-gk-tcquhjSTQil90H8
But forget about OC and consider if the guy was working on his car and a perp stabbed him or mugged him or committed another crime on him. Then he's just a victim of a crime. Just because he is OCing, is he suddenly asking for it?
Nope, he's not "asking for it" and he is "just a victim of crime".

HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that there are no lessons to be learned. WITHOUT BLAMING THE VICTIM, it is still possible (even desirable) to look at what happened to him and to try to learn lessons that might make us less likely to fall victim to the same kind of robbery.

I convinced some acquaintances that they should stop leaving their rear entry garage door open because I became aware that perpetrators will use that as a means of access to houses. I managed to do that without accusing the acquaintances of "asking for it" and without blaming people who had been victimized in that manner for what had happened to them.

It is GOOD to learn lessons from the bad things that happen to other people.
 
This was posted on another forum I saw yesterday. Most of the posters were ripping the guy for OCing and they opined that was the reason he got "taken". My problem with Mr. Mechanic is two-fold:
1.) Bad "situational awareness". The man was oblivious to what was going on around him. Granted, the perp "pussy-footed" up on him, using the car to shield him from view, and this is where my second problem occurs.
2.) Bad "retention". From the slick way the perp got the gun out of the holster, I question if this holster had ANY form of retention on it.
I don't have a problem with the man OCing as we don't know anything about the neighborhood, where he lives, problems he might have had in the past, etc.

The man was working on the car door, how much awareness could he have in that spot, in his own driveway? I do not see any reason to be blaming the victim. I did not see any thing in the video that suggest he saw the dirt bag before he started working on the car. What was he suppose to do, keep popping his head up looking for someone to approach him every few seconds?
Now if he had seen this piece of crap walking down his street before he started on the car, then yes, he made a stupid mistake.

And far as the other comment, about the garage door being left open. Yes, that is common. Especially on a Sat. or Sun. for people to do. And something always warned about by professionals no matter what neighborhood you live in.
 
The man was working on the car door, how much awareness could he have in that spot, in his own driveway? ... What was he suppose to do, keep popping his head up looking for someone to approach him every few seconds?
There are two things I can think of that a person could do to make themselves less likely to be targeted successfully for this type of crime.

1. Conceal effectively. If a person can't see your gun, it's very unlikely that they will try to sneak up on you and grab it.

2. Use an effective retention holster. If there is a practical likelihood of someone sneaking up on you and grabbing your exposed carry gun, a retention holster can thwart the criminal, leaving you in possession of your firearm instead of looking down the barrel of it.
It has already been posted and locked here, as I suspect this thread will be.
The other thread was locked because it turned away from a constructive discussion of lessons learned.
 
Anyone working on a car is much easier to be snuck up on compared to someone just standing around. I'd say it's easier to sneak up on a guy with his face under a hood than someone with their face in a cell phone.

Just my own experience.
Lol, I think that might be debatable. Have you seen some of the idiots with Cell Phones? These jerks will drive right into the back of a stopped school bus with all kinds of lights flashing. And for sure, anyone who actually drives and text messages should NOT ever be allowed to own a firearm. And these are not people concerned about awareness in any shape or form. Sorry to get off the subject.
This forum talks often about gun safety, yet I just wonder how many actually do text message's while driving. I really hope no one is that big of a hypocrite.
 
I bet the teen was on his way to college for his physics class.

He just needed the gun to test projectile velocities for class

On a serious note. That was a bad place to be packing a gun. Exposed. Pocket carry would have been much better.
 
So lessons to be learned include adequately conceal, use retention when open carrying, and always keep your head on the swivel as much as possible.

This is a good reminder.
 
The other thread was locked because it turned away from a constructive discussion of lessons learned.

This is what I said in the other thread

So, here's the takeaway that I got from it even in your front yard you had better be paying attention.

I was walking my dog one day and I saw EXACTLY this setup. One of my neighbors was leaning over to work on his motorcycle and had a Glock 42 sticking out of his ass crack. I think it may have been in one of those cheap Uncle Mike's holsters. I was standing three feet behind him for five minutes and he never knew I was there.

After seeing the video

One thing that I picked up on after watching the video is that the thief came from the opposite side of the car. There's no way he could have seen the gun from there. I assume that the thief came from the driver's side, saw the gun and had time to plan his approach before the owner even knew he was there.

That's an important consideration. The criminal decides when he's going to attack and unless you're really paying attention you won't know you've been selected until he he does
 
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From the looks of the video this isn’t the first time he has held a gun on someone.

Watch the first thing he does when he snatches it, as he's backing away.
Looks to me like he's pulling the slide back to chamber a round, just in case the victim carried it without a round in the chamber.
Not his first rodeo.
 
This is what I said in the other thread
After seeing the video
One thing that I picked up on after watching the video is that the thief came from the opposite side of the car. There's no way he could have seen the gun from there. I assume that the thief came from the driver's side, saw the gun and had time to plan his approach before the owner even knew he was there.
That's an important consideration. The criminal decides when he's going to attack and unless you're really paying attention you won't know you've been selected until he he does

After re-watching the video, I realized that the perp snatched the gun from the man's right hip ! The perp HAD to know this man carried from an earlier time as, coming from the direction he was, he would not have been able to see the gun as it was between the man's right hip and the side of the car ! This "kid" KNEW what he was doing AND had planned it out !
 
Keep in mind that the video is relatively short. We can see the direction that the kid approaches from, but we don't know what direction he was walking when he first passed by. He could have made multiple passes and come back from the direction of his choosing, using the car to screen his approach. We can't assume that the direction he comes from at the start of the video is where he was the first time he saw the gun.
 
Ever try to work on a car with a gun on? It gets in the way and makes life suck until you get frustrated with it and put it inside the car seat. Why wasn’t it on the car seat? To me this is a better advertisement for the holster maker than it is evidence against the juvenile delinquent.
 
A ''teen''...
Same in most locales, in the newz article there is no name. Due to age. They R chillydren.

IMO, if they are old enough to start shaving and act like a criminal, name them...
 
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