How many rounds should your carry gun have loaded in it?

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Somewhere in my youth ( '70s ), I picked up the notion that topping up the mag after chambering a round wasn't as reliable as just leaving the mag one round down. I can't speak to the truth of it, it was just the way you did it.

I still do it that way, carrying an 8 round mag in my full size, and a 7 round in my compact 1911, and a 10 round spare. 17-18 rounds seems sufficient for my needs. I carry MecGar mags, and any new ones get a thorough try out before being used for EDC.
 
I mostly carry a Glock 19 with 15 rounds in magazine. I do not carry a reload.
 
I have always carried my mags topped off +1 in the chamber and a full spare mag.

Except with my DB9 and it's just what I have in the gun (6+1) and revolvers usually just my cylinder full. I have just ordered 2 speed loaders and a double pouch for my S&W 681 so if that goes smooth I'll have 18 rounds on me then.
 
Glock 26, it holds 10 rounds in the magazine. I chamber and have 9 in reserve. I figure that will suffice to get me either out of trouble or last until death.
 
Carrying reloads is a matter of attitude. You'll never convince another person of your view of the world.

A few years back one of my younger brothers said to me, "I need a vacation, but I don't have time to plan it. I'll pay for it of course."

I asked him, did he like fresh salmon. He affirmed he did. The expression, Chichagof Island meant nothing to him.

There we were, three days in our vacation backpacking in country thick with brown bears. Aside from the rifle and the shotgun I kept close, I insisted he wear a Smith & Wesson .44 magnum at all times. He was upset when on the second day he went through his pack looking for his daily change of fresh underwear that I'd discarded out of weight consideration, but until the third day he took no notice of the extra weight in ammunition until he pulled one of the speed loaders I'd provided out of his pocket and asked, "How does it work?

He carried the guns same as if he were attending an alumni function and someone had insisted he carry accessories with school colors. The idea he might have to defend himself with a gun had just never penetrated his consciousness, and the strange thing was that he was a hunter and a good shot.

A few days later when it did penetrate his skull that there were some things decidedly different about this world, he picked me off the ground shaking me and screaming, "I'm scared and I'm cold, and sick of salmon. The tent smells like an old person's home, and your cooking is so nasty the bears step in it, and won't eat it."

It's true that during the night a bear stepped next to the remnants of our supper and didn't touch it.

It was pitiful to watch him try to use the Marine radio the pilot left with us to try to contact an offshore fishing boat to relay a message for an emergency pickup. I could have felt sorry for him, if I wasn't laughing so hard. He didn't get through, and we stayed the planned week.

The truth is, I don't think he was that scared of the bears, even though they sometimes came very close. The law covered that. You couldn't shoot them without filing a report where you'd be investigated about the way you would be if you shot a person, and for a thoughtful person there was always a way out of a deadly encounter, an idea that wasn't so much an articulated belief but an assumed part of a certain type of person's consciousness. However they thought about it, those experiences just didn't happen to them. If I had to guess, the lack of fresh underwear, the repetitive diet of salmon, and the absence of showers bothered him more than the bears

Some people won't carry reloads.

Some people won't carry a weapon at all.

It doesn't matter whether it's the safest, most protected gated community or a war zone, a person's attitude has more to do with it than the circumstance they find themselves in.
 
If you're making your decision based on statistical probability leave your gun it at home

Unfair. It is perfectly logical to assess your risks and equip yourself accordingly. Preparing for a future lethal force encounter always involves an element of uncertainty, but that doesn't mean we can't have reasonable expectations or that the kind of lethal force encounters that our peers have been subject to aren't a rational guide for our expectations.

The use of a firearm in a personal protection or self-defense incident is not unprecedented at all. It is not irrational to expect a similar incident could involve us even if the probability of it is very low. Reloading by a civilian in a self-defense incident in modern US society is extremely rare, perhaps unprecedented. I am not aware of such an incident. The guy who narrates Active Self Protection videos said recently that he has never seen it. I wouldn't say that we should dismiss it as a possibility but that we'd be getting a vastly diminishing return on reloads for risk management. But there is another reason to carry a spare magazine besides capacity and that is in case of a magazine malfunction or damage. If you include the slight possibility of those events and the minuscule probability of a need for additional capacity, a spare magazine could add meaningful value. Another rationalization for at least a single reload comes with revolvers and lower-capacity 5, 6 or 7 round guns. While the probability of needing or effectively utilizing more than what's in the gun during an incident is extremely low, it is more likely that at the conclusion of an incident the gun will be depleted. Having a reload allows one to restore the gun to a ready condition immediately. There is probably less rationalization for multiple spare magazines for a civilian, non-belligerent, to carry on a daily basis when returning home daily, but I don't have any reason someone shouldn't carry three, four, five magazines or more.

If we aren't able to make rational choices, we should all be carrying concealed submachine guns chambered in .454 Casull with 3 spare 50 round magazines, because you never know, and besides, if you go by statistical probability, you won't need anything. I would rather consider that if I have anything I will be better off than with nothing. But if I'm going to carry something, it might as well be the thing that I can easily shoot well so I can make the most of the few shots that it's most probable I'll have a chance to make any difference with. I want the terminal effectiveness to be substantial, but in the city, I probably won't make the tradeoff that super magnum performance will cost me because preparing to meet the Kodiak bear, Cape buffalo in an urban environment or even a bad dude with level IIIA is not only unlikely to pay dividends, but the return on the cost of that is frankly absurd.

FWIW, I carry a revolver and a reload strip. I am hardly unarmed, but am I prepared for a scene from an action movie to explode in front of me? I'll take that chance. Like Jeff Cooper said, "owning a handgun doesn't make you any more armed than owning a guitar makes you a musician." Some folks might walk around with enough junk for a whole band, but that itself doesn't make them any better prepared for a concert.
 
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Unfair. It is perfectly logical to assess your risks and equip yourself accordingly. Preparing for a future lethal force encounter always involves an element of uncertainty, but that doesn't mean we can't have reasonable expectations or that the kind of lethal force encounters that our peers have been subject to aren't a rational guide for our expectations.

The use of a firearm in a personal protection or self-defense incident is not unprecedented at all. It is not irrational to expect a similar incident could involve us even if the probability of it is very low. Reloading by a civilian in a self-defense incident in modern US society is extremely rare, perhaps unprecedented. I am not aware of such an incident. The guy who narrates Active Self Protection videos said recently that he has never seen it. I wouldn't say that we should dismiss it as a possibility but that we'd be getting a vastly diminishing return on reloads for risk management. But there is another reason to carry a spare magazine besides capacity and that is in case of a magazine malfunction or damage. If you include the slight possibility of those events and the minuscule probability of a need for additional capacity, a spare magazine could add meaningful value. Another rationalization for at least a single reload comes with revolvers and lower-capacity 5, 6 or 7 round guns. While the probability of needing or effectively utilizing more than what's in the gun during an incident is extremely low, it is more likely that at the conclusion of an incident the gun will be depleted. Having a reload allows one to restore the gun to a ready condition immediately. There is probably less rationalization for multiple spare magazines for a civilian, non-belligerent, to carry on a daily basis when returning home daily, but I don't have any reason someone shouldn't carry three, four, five magazines or more.

If we aren't able to make rational choices, we should all be carrying concealed submachine guns chambered in .454 Casull with 3 spare 50 round magazines, because you never know, and besides, if you go by statistical probability, you won't need anything. I would rather consider that if I have anything I will be better off than with nothing. But if I'm going to carry something, it might as well be the thing that I can easily shoot well so I can make the most of the few shots that it's most probable I'll have a chance to make any difference with. I want the terminal effectiveness to be substantial, but in the city, I probably won't make the tradeoff that super magnum performance will cost me because preparing to meet the Kodiak bear, Cape buffalo in an urban environment or even a bad dude with level IIIA is not only unlikely to pay dividends, but the return on the cost of that is frankly absurd.

FWIW, I carry a revolver and a reload strip. I am hardly unarmed, but am I prepared for a scene from an action movie to explode in front of me? I'll take that chance. Like Jeff Cooper said, "owning a handgun doesn't make you any more armed than owning a guitar makes you a musician." Some folks might walk around with enough junk for a whole band, but that itself doesn't make them any better prepared for a concert.

Okay I have no idea what that word salad was but the person I was responding to stated that he didn't carry a spare magazine based on the statistical improbability of his ever needing it. If that logic is sufficient for him not to carry a spare magazine why isn't it sufficient for him not to carry a gun?
 
I have shot a lot of rounds through Glock 19s. I have competed in a lot of IDPA matches, with that pistol, or one of its kin. Not training, just fun. Gen 4 Glock 19, loaded with 16 rounds. G17 mag as a spare.
The Glock holster (Cheap) sits at 4 o-clock OTB, spare on the left side, next to the flashlight.

Very familiar with my stuff, wear it all day, no problem. In fact, my iPhone and G19 is on me at this time.
Not going out in my bulky old dressing gown though. It is cold here in Orlando just now! 46F.

I spent 30 years in Toronto, Canada. 40 below I saw a lot of! And 46F is now really cold!

Same gun, same place, all the time. Not paranoid, but definitely aware. Parking lot's, walk my Wife to her door, help her into the Jeep, press lock button, close door. Walk to my side, drive off, always back in.

Never get approached by panhandlers. Security marked Jeep. My Sons Company. Jeep lives in Garage!
Monitored home alarm system. Feel well protected.
 
...The number of rounds only, and your reason, please.

Depending on the make/model ...

My retirement CCW revolvers are both 5 & 6-shot models, and my pistols use 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 or 12rd magazines (which is what I carry in them).

I typically carry 1, 2 or 3 speedstrips or speedloaders for the revolvers, and 1 or 2 spare magazines.

After having carried a handgun with a badge and ID card for 37 years, I've developed some sense of how I may feel it prudent to be equipped, meaning how much ammunition to have on my person for the situations and areas where I am involved in my normal daily activities, or travel, so I'll continue to choose such things based upon my training, experience and personal desires.

Situational context can still matter, especially when it comes to experiential knowledge, and may be considered by the individual.
 
If you're making your decision based on statistical probability leave your gun it at home

That is a common misinterpretation of statistics. It assume the central tendency value always happens as compared to it is more likely to happen (that actually depends on distribution shape, too). It doesn't take into account, the tails of the incident distribution. Carrying is planning for the extreme tail which has a small but noticeable number of bad events. You need to consider the distribution and what is your cut off for risk.

Folks really don't understand the use of the term 'statistics'. There is more than the mean, mode or median.
 
I'll be expecting a book based on your adventures. That is a great story.
Thank you. I do love wandering around the Arctic and writing stories about the experiences. An agent is trying to peddle a series of my Arctic wilderness adventures. For now, they just show up in the odd publication.
 
For me I usually carry a 6-8 round semi no extra mag on me, one in my vehicle- usually I carry a BUG though(more to be able to draw with eithier hand then worried about capacity)
When I get really dressed up usually just a j frame or LCP
 
When I was carrying in Johannesburg, I had 13 rounds in the gun and one spare mag loaded with 10 in my pocket. That was everyday use.
 
I want as many rounds as I can comfortably carry and use without reloading. Some days that's eight or nine in a S&W Shield. Some days that's sixteen in a Glock 19. Here's why: I have no control over how many rounds it may take to stop a bad guy, but I do have control over how many rounds I may use. Putting that another way, you have as many chances to live as you have rounds in your gun. Now, before someone says, Shot placement is king! note that even effective hits in the thoracic triangle will not likely yield instantaneous stoppage of villainy, and before someone says, Carry a spare magazine! note that, yes, I agree that is a good idea.
 
The spare mag was shorter because it had no finger rest. It was a trade-off because that mag was more comfortably carried in my pocket (with the short heel on the pocket lip)
 
I think some of this may be affected by your life experience.

I spent a good portion of my adult life wearing a Kevlar and a gas mask and an LBE with all kinds of extra crap on it and and a flak jacket and sometimes a rucksack and sometimes not.

After the army working as a security guard it was/is a duty belt and a gun and two reloads and handcuffs and OC spray and depending on the assignment a taser and radio and my site keys and body armor and my phone and the company phone and and CPR device and whatever other kind of crap they wanted me to carry.

After that a Glock 19 and 2 reloads isn't even really noticeable.
 
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Yep, my objective was to go for the least encumbrance and the most concealment I could. So I got a Vektor CP1 which I carried IWB at 3-4 o'clock, with the grip usually concealed by an untucked t-shirt.
The spare mag was in my left front jeans pocket, with the rounds facing left. When I practised reloads, I was able to grasp the magazine by the heel with my left hand, drop the mag that was in the gun, and bring the mag up to the pistol with my left index finger on the nose of the first round. I inserted the magazine blind, using my index finger to guide the mag to the magwell.
Drawing from an IWB holster under a loose T-shirt takes a lot of practice though, especially if you want to do it fast. Left hand has to be free.
I had some backup plans for drawing without the left hand, but they were nowhere near as fast.
 
Your environment is a consideration. We have a weekly paper that includes the Sherriff's Department activity report, thus we are able to ascertain within reason the level of criminal activity. With that said we are in a rural area with a relatively low criminal activity but that's not to say we couldn't have a violent crime episode outside of the norm. We conceal carry a S&W 9mm Shield along with a spare magazine for a total of (16) rounds. Its either going to be good enough or it isn't.
 
I won't speak to how many rounds your carry gun should have in it, but most days I have a topped up G19 with a G17 reload. Some days the G17 reload becomes a G19X reload, or a G17 mag with an Arredondo extension. So, thirty-something rounds.

Why? Because it's easier now than it's ever been, living in the golden age of great belts and very good kydex AIWB holsters with a wedge and claw. The rest of the time, it's a G43 and a reload. I have an LCP for deep concealment in non-permissive environments, but since the golden age extends to small single stack 9mm guns that are still easy to shoot well I haven't needed to go to the .380 for over a year.
 
So you are carrying a gun for 1-90 years, how many rounds should you have in the gun, and at the ready. This would be your EDC, or Every Day Carry weapon.
Also , this is not a caliber comparison, a hit is a hit, a miss is a miss. The number of rounds only, and your reason, please.

How many should I have in my everyday carry gun? One mag +1.
Ready at hand while out-of-the-house? One extra mag.

Anything problems requiring more than that needs to be resolved w/ something belt-fed or in the multi-kiloton range.
 
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