After 2000 rounds, P365 failure

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Light primer strikes seems to be the most commonly reported issue with the P365 since they redesigned the striker. But I had not heard of this issue first manifesting after such a high round count.

I agree that SIG Sauer, Inc. has been quite disingenuous when it comes to the issues the P365 has experienced since its roll out.
 
TomJ said:
When I learned it had the firing pin that was known to break I called Sig, asking if there was anything they could do. They rattled off statistics regarding how many p365's were sold compared to how many had been in for repair and told me not to listen to internet hype.
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The problem with companies stating something like this, especially on a subcompact sized weapon I bet that a large percentage of those P365’s sold will never see large round counts as much of the American public will buy a gun and put 500 rounds through it in 4-5 years time.

It sounds good for Sig and other companies to say such, but the people who are on gun forums are heavier users of their firearms and typically these P365’s are lasting longer than 500 or even 1000 rounds which a “buy it, put a few magazines through it the same day and dresser store it,” type people will never see those failures for quite some time.

I could be wrong on this but buying guns over the years I’ve rarely seen heavily used guns.
 
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I don't have any Sig's. Every time I start thinking about picking one up, I read something like this thread.

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a large percentage of those P365’s sold will never see large round counts
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No way to know but I'd be surprised if more than ten percent of subcompact handguns sold ever fire over a couple hundred rounds.
 
I have no dog in this fight.. What are the recommended spring replacement intervals on these guns?
Most little guns are far more frequent than their larger brethren.
 
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So you replaced a striker that had exhibited no problems, with one that has now exhibited an issue... and it’s the gun’s fault?

Out of curiosity, when was the last time you cleaned the striker channel?

I’m always surprised how much residue builds up.
 
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The only changes I made to the internals of the P365 was replacing the trigger bar spring and since mine had the old firing pin, which was a point of failure, I replaced it with the Lighning Strike firing pin. That was over 1200 rounds ago. I won't put the old firing pin back in as it was the style that was breaking.
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So you went inside, replaced factory parts with 'better' parts and it's the gun's fault? I might go half way with you but...also, to completely give up on a gun because of one failure, seems a bit much, just my opinion. How many Glocks, M&Ps, XDs, etc., had issues? Of course we could mention 1911s....
 
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So you replaced a striker that had exhibited no problems, with one that has now exhibited an issue... and it’s the gun’s fault?

Out of curiosity, when was the last time you cleaned the striker channel?

I’m always surprised how much residue builds up.
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No. I replaced a firing pin that had a known problem, evidenced by the fact that Sig made changes to it. I asked Sig to do so and they refused. The striker channel was cleaned during my last cleaning prior to shooting it yesterday. I’m meticulous in cleaning all my guns, and especially with my carry guns.
 
JamieC said:
So you went inside, replaced factory parts with 'better' parts and it's the gun's fault? I might go half way with you but...also, to completely give up on a gun because of one failure, seems a bit much, just my opinion. How many Glocks, M&Ps, XDs, etc., had issues? Of course we could mention 1911s....
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I answered part of your question is post 32. I’m not giving up on it because of one failure. I’m doing so as it’s a known failure with the gun and per my previous posts I’ve lost confidence in Sig based on how they’ve handled these problems. I’m only giving up 2 rounds with the Shield and while it’s a little bigger, I can easily dress around that.
 
Just curious, have you tried to replace the Recoil spring? In in these smaller guns I have found that they need to be replaced sooner than most folks think. Also maybe just cleaning out the striker channel might help. I see no reason to go into abort mode at this point. 2,000 rds might be the magic number.
 
Jeb Stuart said:
Just curious, have you tried to replace the Recoil spring? In in these smaller guns I have found that they need to be replaced sooner than most folks think. Also maybe just cleaning out the striker channel might help. I see no reason to go into abort mode at this point. 2,000 rds might be the magic number.
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The striker channel was cleaned during my previous cleaning. Per Sig the recoil spring should be changed every 2500 rounds. Could that cause this issue? I love the gun and would like to keep it, but am having a hard time trusting it and Sig, especially since the Shield fits the same need.
 
Sorry to hear that TomJ and thanks for sharing your experience with your P365. I am sticking with my original style Walther PPS. It does not have the capacity of the P365 but I am very confident with it as far as reliability and for me it is a much better shooter than the P365 which is too small for me.
 
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The striker channel was cleaned during my previous cleaning. Per Sig the recoil spring should be changed every 2500 rounds. Could that cause this issue? I love the gun and would like to keep it, but am having a hard time trusting it and Sig, especially since the Shield fits the same need.
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If the recoil spring is weakened through use and the slide is not fully returning to battery when the striker is released, it is possible that it could cause a light strike.
 
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If the recoil spring is weakened through use and the slide is not fully returning to battery when the striker is released, it is possible that it could cause a light strike.
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Thanks. I have a replacement recoil spring and will try that before calling Sig.

Edit: I ordered 2 replacement recoil springs a couple of months back. When I first tried ordering them they were out of stock everywhere I looked. I spoke with Sig, asking them when they'd be back in stock as I didn't want to use the gun with weak springs. They told me they recommended replacing them at 2500 rounds ( I was no where near that at the time) but assured me the gun would be fine if I exceeded that round count. I'm not trying to pile on Sig, but either it's not an issue with the recoil spring or it is, and what they told me is incorrect. I don't have a FP spring, and will order and replace that. That being said I replaced the recoil spring and may be able to head back out to the range today.
 
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I'm always amazed at the ignorance exhibited concerning semi auto pistols. I grew up in a world where you fixed stuff that didn't work. To the Op. The previous posts contain hints as to what's wrong with your pistol. If you implement them you're gun will probably run fine.
 
The 365 certainly isn’t the first micro sized gun to have teething problems with light strikes. It appears to be a tricky task to make a micro striker gun that has a strong enough striker spring without a 10 lb trigger pull. Isn’t a micro stiker gun somewhat new territory for Sig?
 
I'm gonna chime in here. I would not blame Sig or the 365 for this failure since the failure point involves an aftermarket striker. You should contact the company that made that striker.
 
Just to inject an anecdote in place of data, let's look at records of a casual shooter who visits the range a few times a year (and always gets their stupid membership and wavers expired). Over the recent several years, he expended, on average:

.380 ACP - 748 rounds per year
9 mm - 755 rounds per year
.45 Auto - 638 rounds per yar

During that time, there were 0 (ZERO) parts breakages that rendered any guns inoperative. The stupid APEX "jam-resistant" extractor was a jam factory and had to be taken out and replaced with the factory extractor. A Kahr failed because a piece of case migrated into the striker channel.

A casual shooter who only visits the range once in several months will have to see a part breaking on his P365 in a two or three years. If ever, of course. We don't know what the percentage of them ever break. For the original trigger return springs, SIG reported 8% of guns sold failing within a year. That was the one and only time they gave us any numbers. They did not report the rate of failure for the firing pins.
 
zaitcev said:
Just to inject an anecdote in place of data, let's look at records of a casual shooter who visits the range a few times a year (and always gets their stupid membership and wavers expired). Over the recent several years, he expended, on average:

.380 ACP - 748 rounds per year
9 mm - 755 rounds per year
.45 Auto - 638 rounds per yar

During that time, there were 0 (ZERO) parts breakages that rendered any guns inoperative. The stupid APEX "jam-resistant" extractor was a jam factory and had to be taken out and replaced with the factory extractor. A Kahr failed because a piece of case migrated into the striker channel.

A casual shooter who only visits the range once in several months will have to see a part breaking on his P365 in a two or three years. If ever, of course. We don't know what the percentage of them ever break. For the original trigger return springs, SIG reported 8% of guns sold failing within a year. That was the one and only time they gave us any numbers. They did not report the rate of failure for the firing pins.
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Just curious, where do you get those figures?
 
TomJ said:
Thanks. I have a replacement recoil spring and will try that before calling Sig.

Edit: I ordered 2 replacement recoil springs a couple of months back. When I first tried ordering them they were out of stock everywhere I looked. I spoke with Sig, asking them when they'd be back in stock as I didn't want to use the gun with weak springs. They told me they recommended replacing them at 2500 rounds ( I was no where near that at the time) but assured me the gun would be fine if I exceeded that round count. I'm not trying to pile on Sig, but either it's not an issue with the recoil spring or it is, and what they told me is incorrect. I don't have a FP spring, and will order and replace that. That being said I replaced the recoil spring and may be able to head back out to the range today.
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I've read elsewhere that the FP spring is not being sold at all, TomJ. Apparently Wolf manufactures them for SIG, but they can't sell them to consumers. It seems that SIG wants us to send the gun back to get serviced. I look forward to your next range report. I'm at 300 round count on mine.
 
sparkyv said:
I've read elsewhere that the FP spring is not being sold at all, TomJ. Apparently Wolf manufactures them for SIG, but they can't sell them to consumers. It seems that SIG wants us to send the gun back to get serviced. I look forward to your next range report. I'm at 300 round count on mine.
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I'll have to wait to make it to the range. Hopefully Monday. I wasn't able to find the FP spring without purchasing the entire FP assembly. I'll talk to Sig Monday.
 
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