Sig Sauer p365 Massive Headaches

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Old Dog: said:
If you have little or no experience shooting any SIG pistols, you will likely have to change the way you're used to gripping a semi-auto.
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IMHO, I don’t agree that you should have to change the way that you’re used to gripping a semi auto to make it function properly. I have classic SIGs which are all great shooting guns. I liked that P365 in my hand and I thought I shot it decently at the range. But in a head-to-head comparison, I happen to like my Walther PPS-M2 better, that’s just my humble opinion.

In a self defense situation you need to draw point & shoot in the shortest possible timeframe. So your grip on the gun might not be optimal. You need to train & practice to find out what works for you in the the way you use it and the way you need the gun to work for you.

It appears to me that the OP did his due dilegence to try & make that P365 work for the way he needs to use it. A gun intended for self defense that fails to go into battery is useless, and if you have no confidence in your carry gun you need to move on to something else you can have confidence in.
 
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JDR said:
IMHO, I don’t agree that you should have to change the way that you’re used to gripping a semi auto to make it function properly. I have classic SIGs which are all great shooting guns.
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Just a data point from Bruce Gray



Just about every gun has its' quirks.
 
Sometimes a gun just doesnt work for you and it's best to move on.

Theres a reason I dont have a 365 anymore, but that was hand fit. It was too big for me to pocket carry and offered nothing over my Glock 26 for belt carry except shooting much worse in my hands.
 
Huntolive said:
Recently bought new Sig p365 9 mm I've had nothing but problems. Originally I experienced failures to fire w light primer strikes.Gun was in battery as they were actually marks most times on the primers. Initial trial I got six ftf out of about 30 rounds. Totally unacceptable self defense pistol. Happened w several types of high-quality brass ammo inc. Sig ammo.
Gun was sent back to Sig they replaced recoil spring and Polished some parts and returned. So far I haven't had any light primer strikes but when using defensive ammo the slide will lock back without chambering the next round so the round is slightly down but not chambered. This happened on two consecutive mags of high-quality ammo on almost every shot after first. I did notice the mags from the factory are very tight. But the slides will get stuck back even after the mag had less ammo in it and each time I had to pull slide back and let it go to get round to chamber.
I feel like Sig is now giving me the runaround. I am in touch with a customer service manager but they don't seem to want to do much for me and are unwilling to give me new mag to try.
The same week I bought the Sig I also bought a Ruger SR9 and have had absolutely perfect functioning and also perfect functioning from all my Springfield XDM s.
What do you recommend I do to fix the gun or to get Sig to act responsibly and take care of the problem.
I regret the price tag of the p365 and would not recommend it to anyone.
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I never read the responses to this so forgive me if I duplicate a response. I personally own two, and a couple of my range co-workers own them, and I have seen dozens and dozens of them come into our range. We have tried a lot of various brands of 9mm through it and only found one brand of polymer bullets that gave us feeding trouble. Everything else tried so far has been reliable. There have been a couple of returns, RSA assembly's)certainly no more than any other model we see, and they were back in the customers' hands within 10 days perfect in every way. Sig did have early on striker issues and I have one of those guns and it is my daily carry with over 5000 rounds fired.
My experience with Sig is the total opposite of yours. Stay with your Ruger and fiddle with your Sig until you get it where you trust the gun.
 
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Madcap_Magician said:
I had this happen, and also my grip would cause the slide to fail to lock open on an empty magazine. Thumbs forward does not work well on this gun.
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Right-handed thumbs-forward works great on the P365, the key is to use the version of the grip that keeps your right thumb away from the gun.

Back when I first switched to a thumbs-forward grip, I often had problems with riding the slide stop on many guns; the slide would often not lock back when empty because my thumb was on the slide stop. Then a friend recommend I just move my right thumb a little bit to the left so it’s still resting alongside the base of my left thumb like on a normal thumbs-forward grip, but it’s not touching the gun (and therefore not touching the slide stop). I now do this with all semi-autos and it works great and I’ve never had the problem again.
 
JDR said:
MHO, I don’t agree that you should have to change the way that you’re used to gripping a semi auto to make it function properly.
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If all you shoot is the same platform, same models, same size, sure. But that's not often the way real life goes. Witness the patrol cop who carries a full-size striker fired pistol plus a J-frame as a back-up. Does he grip the small revolver the same way he does his duty pistol?

Pretty sure many of the members here possess quite diverse collections of handguns, any of which will require slight adjustments for operating. Big difference between the grip sizes, safety/de-cocker modes of the M-9 and a 1911 or a SIG P-series ... how about features such as paddle mag releases or squeeze cockers (I used to be issued HK pistols)? Different makers place slide-stop/release or de-cocker control levels in different places, all of varying sizes and shapes. You can't hold a revolver in the same fashion as a semi-auto generally.

We're talking minor adjustments here, primarily the manner in which one holds his/her strong hand thumb alongside the pistol frame. Not speaking of some radical new way of gripping the pistol, required by some exotic features of a new gun.

My reality is that a skilled handgun shooter is always cognizant of which pistol or revolver he/she is holding and what works best to employ this weapon. Yeah, sometimes you've gotta adjust to the gun.
 
Some guns just dont fit you. I really wanted to like the Ruger American in .45. That big butt on it hit my knuckle hard enough to make me flinch. Robust, heavy duty pistol, but it didnt fit me at all.

Nothing wrong with the gun. We just didnt make a good couple.

I think a 365 would fit me well. Being ambi means I can shoot it whatever behaves best.
 
My hand is big enough that my right thumb can hit the slide release and push it either up or down.

It's a damn small pistol.
 
Old Dog: said:
Pretty sure many of the members here possess quite diverse collections of handguns, any of which will require slight adjustments for operating. Big difference between the grip sizes, safety/de-cocker modes of the M-9 and a 1911 or a SIG P-series ... how about features such as paddle mag releases or squeeze cockers (I used to be issued HK pistols)? Different makers place slide-stop/release or de-cocker control levels in different places, all of varying sizes and shapes. You can't hold a revolver in the same fashion as a semi-auto generally.
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I’m agreeing that a lot of people have many different types of guns which see range use and you should adjust your grip accordingly during live fire practice to optimize your grip to be able to shoot different types of guns effectively, no debating this point.

However within the context of this particular thread, we are discussing the OP’s problems with a SIG P365 and I’m going to make a valid assumption that most people who own this particular model chose it with the intention of using it as a CCW / EDC gun. That being the case you need to be able to draw, point & go bang with it as quickly as possible, then keep practicing so you can do it quicker. Whether that P365 fits your hand properly or whether you can adjust your grip to shoot it effectively is a moot point with this particular gun. In a defensive situation there is not enough time to be concerned about a proper grip. The gun is designed to be small & light & therefore easier to carry, and there are trade-offs made in the design of such a small gun so that it doesn’t necessarily fit the hands of a lot of peoole, and adjusting your grip to make it shoot better might not let you shoot it much better at all. And it really sounds like the OP is spooked with this gun so it might be time to cut his losses & move on to something that will work for him.
 
Huntolive said:
But with defensive ammo but interesting ly enough not with any Full Metal Jacket ammo I got failures to feed the slide would remain most of the way open with the round pushed slightly forward. I would have to then pull the slide back and let it go and the round would load.
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So, you got premature slide lock with wide nose JHP, but not with standard profile FMJ, right? I can bet that this is not an issue with the grip, but the bullet nose of the next round in the magazine catches the slide lock tab on it's way up. Just disassemble the pistol and put a loaded magazine in it, with cartridges pushed to the front - see how close that bullet rides to the slide lock tab. Happens with many guns and the solution is easy and straight forward - just file about 0.004" - 0.007" from the tab and the problem will be gone. As for the top round in the magazine being partially pushed forward when premature lock happens - it's from the recoil. It's more noticeable in small and light pistols. This is why your magazines have very stiff springs - to fight that movement. When the magazine spring starts to get weak the cartridge will be "pushed" forward (pulled, actually) even more and it can lead to bolt over base malfunction. This is especially true for small compact pistols as the operating cycle in them is quite violent and fast.
 
Huntolive said:
I might be better off just as sell this gun. I am really pissed at Sig Sauer as the customer service department has been insulting and unhelpful.
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Sorry to hear about the gun issues. I agree on Sig’s service. Even on the wholesale and dealer level they will not take care of the customer.
 
Mizar said:
So, you got premature slide lock with wide nose JHP, but not with standard profile FMJ, right? I can bet that this is not an issue with the grip, but the bullet nose of the next round in the magazine catches the slide lock tab on it's way up. Just disassemble the pistol and put a loaded magazine in it, with cartridges pushed to the front - see how close that bullet rides to the slide lock tab. Happens with many guns and the solution is easy and straight forward - just file about 0.004" - 0.007" from the tab and the problem will be gone. As for the top round in the magazine being partially pushed forward when premature lock happens - it's from the recoil. It's more noticeable in small and light pistols. This is why your magazines have very stiff springs - to fight that movement. When the magazine spring starts to get weak the cartridge will be "pushed" forward (pulled, actually) even more and it can lead to bolt over base malfunction. This is especially true for small compact pistols as the operating cycle in them is quite violent and fast.
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Great explanation, Mizar. Thanks, I was having difficulty reconciling how the OP's grip could cause the slide issue with SD ammo and not with FMJ!
 
George P said:
Mine, with the extended 12 round mag, is about as perfect for MY hands as it gets.
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I totally agree George P., I have only used the 12 round mags with my P365, great grip, easy to draw and have my hand gripping my gun perfectly, having 13 rounds aboard in such a perfect small package is hard to beat...
 
Looks like this is a gun for Leftys. Sig should market it that way.
Their customer service blows compared to Ruger and Savage and Springfield
 
All you right handers check this YOUTUBE video out, we can talk about every gun having different grip, and size till we're blue in the face, but the fact is there is a difference and until we learn that difference and adapt, it will be a problem for some, being left handed I don't have the problems some have with this P365, but I had a learning curve to, most all guns do, and for me that's part of the fun in becoming one with my gun...
SIG P365 Update - 4,000 Rounds and Beyond | Episode #69,
 
I sold gun for about what I paid for it today. I agree w JDR in a defensive handgun for life-and-death usage, especially if it was a grip issue which Sig Sauer was trying to blame on me,that I wouldn't have time to think about my grip and I would then be restricted to just training with the p365 until I mastered it at the expense of all my other truly decent autoloaders. I sold it and I say good riddance!

I can't say anything worse about Sig Sauer customer service. I will never buy another Sig.
At least I just about got my money back.
having never had any type of failure in over a thousand rounds with any of my Springfield XDM s and near equal positive experience with ruger's I have plenty of excellent options.

So with that in mind what subcompact 9 mm would you guys recommend? I could also do a sub compact 40 cal.
 
I can get a Taurus g2c compact for 199 brand new. Not sure I want to trust Taurus though in an autoloader. What about the Ruger lc9?
It kind of sucks cuz I really wanted to like p365 :great size decent trigger felt comfortable in my hand ,night sights, but if it's not going to fire what's the point? In that case I'd rather just carry my Ruger 357 LCR. The problem is even in a compact with a 3.8 inch barrel it's so much more of a hassle to carry then something the size of the p365. I guess I could CC my Ruger sr40c pretty comfortably that is smaller than my XDM compact. The Taurus g2c is one of the only low price options that was quite small. What else should I look at under $400
 
Huntolive said:
So with that in mind what subcompact 9 mm would you guys recommend? I could also do a sub compact 40 cal.
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A S&W Shield would be my next choice. Love mine (Mine is in .40), love my 365 more, but I've had no issues with mine.
 
Nothing wrong with the Taurus. I've carried 938 for four years. I am looking forward to getting the 365.
 
This was my worry. On paper it seems like a unicorn CCW. But if I hear as so much of a hiccup, I move to more proven reliable options for such a serious task
 
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