Constitutional Carry (State not Federal Law)

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There are 14 states (if my counting is correct, which it might not be because I was to lazy to take my shoes and socks off :)) that have constitutional carry, and several others debating it. Not having read through each of the states constitutional carry laws, it seems that those states that have constitutional carry only allow their residents to carry without permit.

Just thinking out loud here, but wouldn't it be in the best interests of those states that have constitutional carry to offer reciprocity with the other constitutional carry states? I would be willing to bet that they already have a reciprocity agreement for their permitted residents. This way the states are able to retain their individual laws/power, yet effect a national permit less carry.

What are your thoughts...pros/cons?
 
Some states do have constitutional reciprocity. Oklahoma will be one of them on Nov 1. They already recognized other states constitutional carry as long as that state recognized our permit. Which is kinda funny. Residents of other states had it better than we did. But that will change. Thank you Gov. Stitt!
 
Fine Figure of a Man said:
There are no cons IMO, those that favor a powerful government over individual freedom will disagree.
There is no constitutional right to drive yet my state license to operate a, potentially deadly, vehicle is recognized nationwide.
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Yes, but you have a driver's license from your state which indicates you've passed some sort of test. Without that license you are not allowed to operate a motor vehicle in another state.

If you're from a Constitutional Carry state, there's no "proof" that you're competent in any way with a handgun in the eyes of another state. I'm not saying a license should be required, I'm just pointing out that a comparison to a driver's license is apples to oranges.
 
I do not know the extent of what a cop can look into during a traffic stop but I wouldnt be suprised that some outstanding warrants wouldnt appear on a nationwide basis.
 
bassjam said:
Yes, but you have a driver's license from your state which indicates you've passed some sort of test. Without that license you are not allowed to operate a motor vehicle in another state.

If you're from a Constitutional Carry state, there's no "proof" that you're competent in any way with a handgun in the eyes of another state. I'm not saying a license should be required, I'm just pointing out that a comparison to a driver's license is apples to oranges.
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It isn't the same which was partly my point. A license granting the privilege of driving on a public roadway is recognized across state lines. One of our constitutional rights, the 2nd, is not, even with a permit in some cases. Should a state be allowed to restrict the 1st, 4th, 5th or 13th amendment rights and would it be tolerated?
 
Fine Figure of a Man said:
It isn't the same which was partly my point. A license granting the privilege of driving on a public roadway is recognized across state lines. One of our constitutional rights, the 2nd, is not, even with a permit in some cases. Should a state be allowed to restrict the 1st, 4th, 5th or 13th amendment rights and would it be tolerated?
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I think we need a new thread and lesson on the difference between a constitutional right, and a privilege. And it should become a sticky. Too many folks confuse the two.

But....the 1st is actually restricted. And becomes more so everyday.
 
the reason drivers licenses are accepted nationwide is because the states agreed to it. it is the same reason why some states accept other states carry licenses.
 
BigBore44 said:
I think we need a new thread and lesson on the difference between a constitutional right, and a privilege. And it should become a sticky. Too many folks confuse the two.

But....the 1st is actually restricted. And becomes more so everyday.
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The issue is a privilege should not be more widely accepted than a right. If anything a privilege should be scrutinized much moreso.

I really dont understand why that concept is so hard for so many to grasp.
 
I guess I opened a can of worms, which wasn't my intention. While the 2nd amendment should be the only "constitutional reciprocity" that we need, unfortunately the reality is something else.

What I was hoping to discuss was the fact that 14 States have past constitutional carry, and others are debating it. Why can't something be worked out among those that do believe in the 2nd amendment bring it a little closer to reality by recognizing those states that also believe in it, and have passed similar legislation? I understand there would be a bit of burden on law enforcement to keep up with those states that have constitutional reciprocity and those that don't. But, considering they already should be keeping track of those they have permitted reciprocity, I don't believe it would be that much more. Heck, I'm sure it wouldn't take much to make an app that would tell them in the time it takes them to run your drivers license.
 
I would love a national reciprocity agreement. Despite the cons that go with it. However, I am afraid of what would need to be done in order for it to pass in all states and federal level.
 
I'm not talking about national reciprocity. I'm talking about those states that already have constitutional carry having constitutional reciprocity. I believe we would lose to much trying to accommodate the likes of California and New York.
This way the states keep their laws/power, just like they do with reciprocity permits now.
 
Darkhorse said:
Actually, only 3 states restrict Constitutional Carry to residents of the state: Idaho, North Dakota, and Wyoming.

The others extend it to everyone in the state.
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I believe South Dakota, when it takes affect in a couple months, is residents only too.

As to the others, that’s good to know.
 
Fine Figure of a Man said:
It isn't the same which was partly my point. A license granting the privilege of driving on a public roadway is recognized across state lines. One of our constitutional rights, the 2nd, is not, even with a permit in some cases. Should a state be allowed to restrict the 1st, 4th, 5th or 13th amendment rights and would it be tolerated?
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Yes even Constitutional Rights can be subject to limitations and as a matter of fact those rights are all limited in some way.
 
I come from a constitutional carry state but still have a permit because if I go into another state that is reciprocal and get pulled over I need to show I'm carry legally. The Sheriffs dept. told me also a benefit to having a permit here is if I go into some place that restricts carrying and am asked to leave if the police are involved I would only get a warning other wise it would be a citation.
 
jonb32248 said:
I come from a constitutional carry state but still have a permit because if I go into another state that is reciprocal and get pulled over I need to show I'm carry legally.
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That’s me. But I also like having an Idaho CCW permit because here it takes the place of the phone-in background check when I buy a gun from a licensed dealer.

However, both my wife’s and my standard CCW permits expire this year, and we’re planning on going ahead and taking the class in order to get our Idaho “enhanced” CCW permits this time. The “enhanced” versions have reciprocity with a few more states than the standard versions, and they provide for legal concealed carry on Idaho’s college and university campuses. We end up on campus at Idaho State University (about 25 miles from here) every once in a while, and when we do, it’s a pain to figure out what to do with our carry guns – let alone the fact that a time or two I’ve almost forgotten I was even wearing my carry gun when we got to a parking lot on campus.
 
.308 Norma said:
That’s me. But I also like having an Idaho CCW permit because here it takes the place of the phone-in background check when I buy a gun from a licensed dealer.

However, both my wife’s and my standard CCW permits expire this year, and we’re planning on going ahead and taking the class in order to get our Idaho “enhanced” CCW permits this time. The “enhanced” versions have reciprocity with a few more states than the standard versions, and they provide for legal concealed carry on Idaho’s college and university campuses. We end up on campus at Idaho State University (about 25 miles from here) every once in a while, and when we do, it’s a pain to figure out what to do with our carry guns – let alone the fact that a time or two I’ve almost forgotten I was even wearing my carry gun when we got to a parking lot on campus.
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i've got a safety box in each car or truck.My CCW covers like 30+ states. Most states I'll never visit. Maybe someday the upper N.West.
 
jonb32248 said:
Maybe someday the upper N.West.
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Idaho is in the upper N.West. You're welcome here, and I'm sure you'd love it. If you're planning on carrying here though, be sure to have your CCW along because Idaho's so called "constitution carry" is limited to Idaho residents only. I didn't know that until I looked it up a few days ago because of this very thread on THR. And I'm only guessing that Idaho has CCW permit reciprocity with Missouri.
 
.308 Norma said:
Idaho is in the upper N.West. You're welcome here, and I'm sure you'd love it. If you're planning on carrying here though, be sure to have your CCW along because Idaho's so called "constitution carry" is limited to Idaho residents only. I didn't know that until I looked it up a few days ago because of this very thread on THR. And I'm only guessing that Idaho has CCW permit reciprocity with Missouri.
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Missouri is the same way.
 
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