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A federal judge in CA has nixed their hi cap ban as unconstitutional.

"cited a home invasion where a woman used the extra bullets in her weapon to kill an attacker and two other cases women without additional ammunition ran out of bullets."

"Individual liberty and freedom are not outmoded concepts"
 
Several online retailers are now shipping any size mag to CA. Still at very good prices but going fast.
 
I read the complete ruling.

This will be most likely be appealed.

The good thing is the ruling was incredibly well written and easy to understand. So while I'm not a lawyer, I think it'll be hard to get it overturned at the SC level. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the 9th Circuit does.

That said, there is a chance that it won't be appealed as the anti's won't want it going to the SC and being a huge win for us.

So only time will tell, but in the short term it's a huge win for our side!
 
This will be most likely be appealed.
May not be the case.

President Trump just sent 2 more conservative nominees to 9th Circuit and will keep sending conservative nominees to other Circuit Courts - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/ca-mag-ban-unconstituional.849632/page-3#post-11095008

Think about what CA AG/DOJ and governor Gavin Newsom discussed over the weekend. Below is Amicus Brief done by Giffords Law Center - https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/the-second-amendment/amicus-briefs/page/2/

This was their best argument which judge Benitez destroyed and overruled on Friday. I could just imagine Newsom yelling at Gifford Law Center if they cannot come up with something better.

And with 9th Circuit judges replaced with more conservative judges by President Trump (10 already with 2 pending), future panel make up that will hear CA AG/DOJ response could be very different from the past. Elections have consequences.


We have already been in deep discussion/celebration in Legal category all weekend:

Summary of judge Benitez ruling (He did an awesome work and called magazines "arms") - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/ca-mag-ban-unconstituional.849632/page-2#post-11094434

8-page unpublished memorandum by U.S. Circuit Judge Norman Smith and U.S. District Judge Deborah Batts of the Southern District of New York ruled Benitez used the correct level of scrutiny to decide the preliminary injunction - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/ca-mag-ban-unconstituional.849632/page-2#post-11094482

And keep in mind, Friday's overturning order also included judgement which made 86 page order effective immediate for all LEO in California. On radio show "Gun Talk" last night, attorney for NRA/CRPA said - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/ca-mag-ban-unconstituional.849632/page-3#post-11095057

Chuck Michel: "The judge did issue a judgement, which would imply that the order, that went along with the judgement, is final and the injunction is final. And everything that I've looked at suggests that that's the case: that this is a final order- a final judgement, so that injunction is in place right now against enforcement. But I don't know what the DOJ lawyers might come up with. I'm sure they have law clerks scouring the law books right now trying to find some way to say that you don't have the ability to acquire one of these magazines between the time that the judgement comes down and the time that they seek a stay. Will they find something? We couldn't."

So until a stay, larger capacity than 10 round "arms"/magazines are legal in California. Many Californians are taking advantage of Monday state holiday (Cesar Chavez day) to buy before CA AG/DOJ can respond earliest on Tuesday. (Who knows, maybe judge Benitez did this intentionally. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:)
 
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Midwayusa is losing my business by the minute. Brownells mobile ordering sucks but I think I'll be doing more business with them. If midway wont sell, they could at least sell inventory to the others who will. No risk to them that way . I guess the bottom line is more important than the cause. Either way, I'd expect more from a company whose round up program has contributed so much.

ETA I just noticed natchezss as well. I like doing business with them. Dang.
 
:) Will be nice to run the semi's in their normal capacity.

edit Wow, the retailers are quick to open up business to CA!!! Greg Cote wasn't accepting but an hour some odd later, they were. :)

Now what to do with the 10 rounders.
 
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May not be the case.

President Trump just sent 2 more conservative nominees to 9th Circuit and will keep sending conservative nominees to other Circuit Courts - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/ca-mag-ban-unconstituional.849632/page-3#post-11095008

Think about what CA AG/DOJ and governor Gavin Newsom discussed over the weekend. Below is Amicus Brief done by Giffords Law Center - https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/the-second-amendment/amicus-briefs/page/2/

This was their best argument which judge Benitez destroyed and overruled on Friday. I could just imagine Newsom yelling at Gifford Law Center if they cannot come up with something better.

And with 9th Circuit judges replaced with more conservative judges by President Trump (10 already with 2 pending), future panel make up that will hear CA AG/DOJ response could be very different from the past. Elections have consequences.


We have already been in deep discussion/celebration in Legal category all weekend:

Summary of judge Benitez ruling (He did an awesome work and called magazines "arms") - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/ca-mag-ban-unconstituional.849632/page-2#post-11094434

8-page unpublished memorandum by U.S. Circuit Judge Norman Smith and U.S. District Judge Deborah Batts of the Southern District of New York ruled Benitez used the correct level of scrutiny to decide the preliminary injunction - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/ca-mag-ban-unconstituional.849632/page-2#post-11094482

And keep in mind, Friday's overturning order also included judgement which made 86 page order effective immediate for all LEO in California. On radio show "Gun Talk" last night, attorney for NRA/CRPA said - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/ca-mag-ban-unconstituional.849632/page-3#post-11095057

Chuck Michel: "The judge did issue a judgement, which would imply that the order, that went along with the judgement, is final and the injunction is final. And everything that I've looked at suggests that that's the case: that this is a final order- a final judgement, so that injunction is in place right now against enforcement. But I don't know what the DOJ lawyers might come up with. I'm sure they have law clerks scouring the law books right now trying to find some way to say that you don't have the ability to acquire one of these magazines between the time that the judgement comes down and the time that they seek a stay. Will they find something? We couldn't."

So until a stay, larger capacity than 10 round "arms"/magazines are legal in California. Many Californians are taking advantage of Monday state holiday (Cesar Chavez day) to buy before CA AG/DOJ can respond earliest on Tuesday. (Who knows, maybe judge Benitez did this intentionally. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:)

I agree that the reshaping of the 9th is happening. But it won't happen this year or next. In fact it'll take at least the rest of Trump's current term and probably his next. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it takes a term after that to totally get the 9th straightened out. And by that I mean judges that follow the law not rule via activism ideals.

So for now, if I had to bet, I'd bet on an appeal. But I also wouldn't be surprised if they don't as they don't want to risk the Supreme Court hearing the case and finally ending this. I know if I was on their side, I'd take the loss and regroup and figure out how to fight another day without risking losing the war.

As for our side, I'm glad to see these rulings and hope it serves to remind us that the President has power that we don't see day to day and that voting is important. And we need to be aware of what's going on.
 
Good for for you people in Cali! Something needs to be done in the 10th or have your case heard in the SC to help over turn Colorado BS law.
 
President Trump just sent 2 more conservative nominees to 9th Circuit and will keep sending conservative nominees to other Circuit Courts
I agree that the reshaping of the 9th is happening. But it won't happen this year or next.
More good news!

Two more pro-2A judges (Ken Lee and Dan Collins) confirmed to 9th Circuit and future pro-2A appointments can only help our 2A cause - https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-reshapes-9th-circuit-gop-judges-near-majority#

"The radical transformation of the San Francisco-based court is largely the result of President Trump's aggressive push to nominate conservative judges ... as remaining vacancies are filled, 13 of the 29 active seats on the key appellate court will be filled with judges picked by Republican presidents.

As the 9th Circuit shifts to become more conservative and better parallels the Supreme Court's ideological baseline ... fewer liberal 9th Circuit decisions and fewer overturned 9th Circuit decisions"
 
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More good news!

Two more conservative judges (Ken Lee and Dan Collins) confirmed to 9th Circuit and future conservative appointments can only help our 2A cause - https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-reshapes-9th-circuit-gop-judges-near-majority#

"The radical transformation of the San Francisco-based court is largely the result of President Trump's aggressive push to nominate conservative judges ... as remaining vacancies are filled, 13 of the 29 active seats on the key appellate court will be filled with judges picked by Republican presidents.

As the 9th Circuit shifts to become more conservative and better parallels the Supreme Court's ideological baseline ... fewer liberal 9th Circuit decisions and fewer overturned 9th Circuit decisions"

As a moderate (on most issues) and independent. I’m not overly thrilled about “conservative” justices taking over the court system.

I am however thrilled to be rid of activist judges and justices who don’t respect the law and Constitution. I just hope and pray that those nominated are referred to as conservative because they respect the law and Constitution and aren’t leftist activist.
 
As a moderate (on most issues) and independent. I’m not overly thrilled about “conservative” justices taking over the court system.
Replace "conservative" with "pro-2A" and your morning coffee will taste better.

There, fixed it for you.
Two more pro-2A judges (Ken Lee and Dan Collins) confirmed to 9th Circuit and future pro-2A appointments can only help our 2A cause

As a life-long conservative, I am dismally embarrassed by how "Republicans" have acted in recent decades and if I had the chance, would vote out most of them as they have been RINO. Thank goodness, goodbye Paul Ryan!!!

Ultimately, we voted them into Washington DC to "work" for the "people" who voted for them. What I have observed is a lot of nonsense and drama and little in the way of work. :cuss:

With each passing year, I am leaning more Independent/Libertarian.
 
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As promised, Chuck Michel posted Q&A regarding Friday's ruling - https://crpa.org/news/blogs/crpanew...ediately-halt-large-capacity-magazine-ruling/


CALIFORNIA SPECIAL ALERT: NRA AND CRPA ATTORNEYS OPPOSE CALIFORNIA’S REQUEST TO IMMEDIATELY HALT “LARGE-CAPACITY” MAGAZINE RULING

On Tuesday, April 2, NRA and CRPA attorneys filed an opposition to California’s request seeking an immediate stay of enforcement of Friday’s decision in the case of Duncan v. Becerra, which found California’s restrictions against so-called “large-capacity” magazines unconstitutional and unenforceable. The decision by the United States District Court for the Southern District of California is a tremendous victory for gun owners in California, striking down California’s restrictions against the manufacture, importation, sale, transfer, receipt, and possession of magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds, most of which have been in place for nearly two-decades.

Unsurprisingly, DOJ filed a request for a stay of judgment Monday afternoon. As noted in DOJ’s motion:

To effectively preserve the status quo, and to prevent a sudden influx of large capacity magazines (LCMs) into the State of California (the “State”), Defendant respectfully requests that the Court issue an immediate, temporary stay pending its ruling on the application for a stay pending appeal. Even if this Court, or the Ninth Circuit, ultimately issues a stay pending appeal, the State will suffer irreparable injury if LCMs are permitted to flow into the State in the interim. Defendant respectfully requests that such a temporary stay be issued by no later than April 2, 2019.​

In sum, DOJ is asking the court to immediately stay the injunction as early as today while the court considers arguments from all the parties and decides whether to permanently stay the injunction pending the appeal. But, as the NRA and CRPA attorneys note in their brief to the court, any stay of enforcement, if granted, would jeopardize the hundreds—if not thousands—of California gun owners who have already relied upon the Court’s ruling in good faith and have purchased magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds.

DOJ has also asked the court to make a decision on whether to stay the judgment until an appellate court rules—which could take well over a year—by April 5, 2019.

It is critical that California gun owners stay up-to-date on the developments in Duncan to ensure they do not inadvertently violate California law should a stay be issued. To that end, be sure to visit NRA-ILA’s website and CRPA’s website to sign up for email alerts.

In the meantime, NRA and CRPA attorneys have prepared the following list of commonly asked questions with answers to assist gun owners in understanding what the decision means and how this latest development affects them.


1. WHAT DOES THE MARCH 29, 2019, RULING DO?

It puts in place an injunction (an order to refrain from performing a certain act) prohibiting enforcement of California Penal Code section 32310, which criminalizes the manufacture, importation, transfer (including giving and loaning), acquisition, and possession of a “large capacity magazine” (“LCM”), defined as an ammunition feeding device capable of accepting more than 10 rounds of ammunition.


2. HAS THE RULING TAKE EFFECT?

Yes; under FRCP Rule 62(c)(1), the injunction prohibiting enforcement of the LCM restrictions ordered by the court took effect the minute it was issued on March 29, 2019.


3. DOES THE RULING MEAN I CAN NOW ACQUIRE NEW MAGAZINES CAPABLE OF HOLDING MORE THAN 10 ROUNDS IN CALIFORNIA?

The short answer is yes. However, there are potential risks to consider before attempting to make any purchase. For example, should an individual order “large capacity” magazines from an online distributor, and during the shipping process a subsequent order from a court stays the enforcement of the injunction, subdivision (a) of Penal Code section 32310 will once again be in effect—including the restriction against “receiving” any “large-capacity” magazine. Meaning the delivery of an order after the injunction has been stayed will arguably be in violation of subdivision (a) of Penal Code section 32310.


4. DOES THE RULING MEAN I CAN KEEP MY MAGAZINES CAPABLE OF HOLDING MORE THAN 10 ROUNDS?

As of the date of this writing the answer is: yes. The restriction on possessing an LCM has been unenforceable since June 29, 2017, when this same court issued a preliminary injunction preventing it from taking effect while the parties litigated the merits of the case. And because CA DOJ is seeking a stay only as to the provisions allowing for acquisition of new LCMs, the injunction against the possession restriction should remain in effect for the time being. That said, people should stay tuned to CRPA and NRA alerts to be updated of any changes.


5. DOES THE RULING MEAN I CAN USE MY MAGAZINES CAPABLE OF HOLDING MORE THAN 10 ROUNDS AT A SHOOTING RANGE?

Because of the preliminary injunction already in place prior to this ruling, there was no restriction on “possessing” a lawfully acquired LCM and thus no restriction on using one. As long as the injunction on the possession restriction remains in place, LCMS can be lawfully used. BEWARE: The ruling does NOT mean you can use an LCM in a semiautomatic, centerfire rifle with a “fixed magazine,” e.g., an AR-platform rifle with a device affixed to only allow removal of the magazine when the upper is separated from the lower, or similar device, that is designed to avoid “assault weapon” designation.


6. WHAT ARE THE PENALTIES FOR VIOLATING PENAL CODE SECTION 32310?

Should the injunction be stayed, any person who “manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, buys, or receives” any “large-capacity” magazine can be charged with either a misdemeanor or felony punishable with imprisonment. Should the preliminary injunction against the “possession” restriction be stayed, any person who possesses a “large-capacity” magazine can be charged with an infraction punishable as a fine of up to $100 per magazine, or a misdemeanor punishable by a fine up to $100 per magazine, imprisonment, or both.


7. WHERE CAN I VIEW A COPY OF THE COURT’S DECISION?

A copy of the order granting the permanent injunction can be viewed online at http://michellawyers.com/wp-content...n-2019-03-29-Order-GrantingPlaintiffs-MSJ.pdf.


8. WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR LITIGATING THE CASE?

The California Rifle & Pistol Association, with support from the National Rifle Association, filed this lawsuit after hearing the fear and outrage from its members who were being forced by the passage of Proposition 63 and Senate Bill 1446 in 2016 to either surrender their “large-capacity” magazines to the government or become criminals.

For more information, visit CRPA’s website at www.CRPA.org and the NRA’s website at https://www.nraila.org/campaigns/california/stand-and-fight-california/. And be sure to subscribe to CRPA and NRA email alerts to stay informed on the latest developments regarding this case.
 
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I was really impressed when Magpul put up on their Facebook page that they were selling direct to any CA address...in order to beat pending injunctive relief...and they certainly aren't suffering from a stock shortage.

They were about $1 more per mag than my common suppliers, but they offer free shipping on orders over $75
 
That said, there is a chance that it won't be appealed as the anti's won't want it going to the SC and being a huge win for us.
This will be interesting to watch.

If the State appeals the ruling to the full 9th Circuit and they win, it will be appealed to the SCOTUS. If the SCOTUS rules that the law is unconstitutional, it would affect all states that currently have a magazine capacity limitation
 
In regards to Judge Benitez calling magazines “Arms”.
He has just fed the lawmakers and the district attorneys in California their own BS.
The law for transporting firearms in CA is written so that it can be interpereted as anyone having a loaded magazine while at the same time transporting a handgun or “assault weapon” that uses that magazine can be considered to be transporting a loaded firearm even though the magazine is not even touching the firearm.

Good call, Judge Benitez. :):cool::D
 
That's not true. The transportation law is pretty clear about what's considered loaded and not. What's vague is what is considered a locked container.
 
Beretta congratulates California and offers 20% off HIGH-CAPACITY magazines - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...high-capacity-magazines.849886/#post-11097952

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And Brownell's ran this and offering magazine specials - https://www.brownells.com/magazines...=Avantlink&utm_content=NA&utm_campaign=Itwine

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