Will a 6.5 Creedmore change your life

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Gtscotty said:
I need to, and probably will this year, twice bitten by Asolo blister factories and once by Merrell junk, I'm done screwing around with boots. When you're putting down 7 - 12 miles a day chasing elk, boots matter a lot more than what rifle cartridge you're carrying (within reason).
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One can still buy a pair of hand fitted boots. Lots of loggers in this part of the country have their boots custom made. If you're ever in Centralia WA stop by Jonh and Lauries shop. I believe it's the oldest business in Centralia.

http://kulienshoes.com/

I think Whites is another custom maker. I believe they're in Spokane.

I used to work as a surveyor and one-size-fits-all boots were always a problem.
 
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I've had the same pair of Whites firefighter boots for almost 20 years. Sent them an outline of each foot, along with other measurements. Great boots.
 
CoalTrain49 said:
One can still buy a pair of hand fitted boots. Lots of loggers in this part of the country have their boots custom made. If you're ever in Centralia WA stop by Jonh and Lauries shop. I believe it's the oldest business in Centralia.

http://kulienshoes.com/

I think Whites is another custom maker. I believe they're in Spokane.

I used to work as a surveyor and one-size-fits-all boots were always a problem.
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They are supposed to be the best, and I drive by there shop every day, maybe I should stop in. The surveyor I used to work for had some and didn't stop talking about them...Kuliens that is.

My best boots are high end Danners, but nothin fancy.

To the OP, I have yet to get a 6.5 creedmoor, but it seems to be a specialist for target shooting. It would work great for deer, but it's long range manners don't add up to a long range hunting rifle for me. I want either a bit more velocity, or more bullet weight(preferred) for smacking critters at long range. But I still want one to play with, probably in an AR 10. Most likely I will end up with a bolt gun too though, just got to raise some capital...
 
I have 2 "traditional hunting rifles"- a Ruger American in 6.5 CM and a 700 in 243. I eliminated a 30-30, a RAR in 308, and a 30-06. I do have other rifles in 223, 300 B/O, and 308, and they are all capable of going to the woods and killing critters, but for the simple task of hunting anything I would go after in the lower 48, I feel the 243 and 6.5 are more than up to the task.
 
Word has it that SOCOM wants some of its snipers to go to the 6.5 Creedmoor over the next couple of years because they've become impressed with it. Kind of tells us something about the round, doesn't it?
 
Rifleman173 said:
Word has it that SOCOM wants some of its snipers to go to the 6.5 Creedmoor over the next couple of years because they've become impressed with it. Kind of tells us something about the round, doesn't it?
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Any proof what-so-ever? It’s a good round but hardly impressive in my opinion, certainly no better than any of the others.
 
joed said:
Any proof what-so-ever? It’s a good round but hardly impressive in my opinion, certainly no better than any of the others.
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Just a bunch of articles like this that came out around the same time last year.

http://soldiersystems.net/2018/03/23/ussocom-adopts-6-5-cm/

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...h-their-bullets-for-this-new-round-next-year/

https://taskandpurpose.com/special-operations-mk-48-machine-gun

Some internal slide decks on the demonstrations and selection were floating around at that time as well.

It's better depending on what you're doing, if you're just thumping deer at 100 yds or less like many hunters, almost anything at all will work. Folks that are only doing that kind of shooting aren't likely to realize the benefits of more efficient rounds like the Creedmoors (although they'll serve that role as well as any other option). If you're shooting longer range, especially in the wind, the 6.5 leaves .308 and many other non-magnum cartridges behind, especially when recoil is taken into account.
 
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mainecoon said:
Having read how this round is more accurate than any other and can be used for everything from chipmunks to elk, I am thinking of selling my centerfires (.22-250, .243, 30.06) and just getting one really accurate 6.5 Creed. I also have an old Singer sewing machine that I won't need since the 6.5 will do it just as well at 100 yards. But seriously, is this round really magic? Do those who shoot it wonder how they ever got along without one?
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Will it change your life? Yes, another cartridge to load for ;) otherwise, fun enough, but unless you're currently only invested in .22 or 7mm+ cartridges, then yeahhhhhhh you could probably do without.....if you have a 6mm, just get a faster twist and dies, if you have a 6.5 of some kind, just get a faster twist and dies, if you have a 7mm, download just a titch or get a creed. Anything larger, yes it's magic.
 
Gtscotty said:
If you're shooting longer range, especially in the wind, the 6.5 leaves .308 and many other non-magnum cartridges behind, especially when recoil is taken into account.
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Yes, even though it shares the same century+ old ballistics of the 6.5 Swedish, it's a reasonably good cartridge.
But the "Emporer's New Clothes" mania of it's fan base is silly.
It's probably the world's most highly overrated cartridge.
 
Old Stumpy said:
Yes, even though it shares the same century+ old ballistics of the 6.5 Swedish, it's a reasonably good cartridge.
But the "Emporer's New Clothes" mania of it's fan base is silly.
It's probably the world's most highly overrated cartridge.
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I see way more stupid threads like this one bagging on the cartridge for various imaginary reasons than I do where everyone is high-fiving themselves over the 6.5 and saying it's the only chambering anyone needs. Where are you seeing this mania? Any recent threads you could post up?

I just got back from the local 1k range, everyone but me was shooting a 6.5, no one was talking about it or bragging. It's just a tool that works well for what we were doing, I think most of this "mania" is imaginary, fueled by internet echo chambers.

I've owned, loaded for and shot 6.5 Swede, it's a fine cartridge, but I like the Creedmoor better. Uses less powder for similar performance, fits in more rifles, is available in far more rifles and full power factory ammo is readily available. If someone prefers the Swede for nostalgic reasons or whatever, that's what they should buy, you won't see me starting any threads to whine about how I don't like their choice and think it's overrated.
 
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While we’re on this subject, what’s the difference between .260 Remington, 6.5x55, 6.5x47 Lapua, and 6.5 Creedmoor? It seems like they keep reinventing the wheel.
 
Old Stumpy said:
It's probably the world's most highly overrated cartridge.
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Name another Non-AR based cartridge developed in the last 50 years which has taken over the #1-3 new rifle sales spots for major manufacturers within its first 5-10yrs of life?

If it really didn’t deliver and we’re all hype, we’d have heard it by now. But the folks buying rifles today want what it delivers. Talking about a 100yr old mid-length action cartridge or a marketing and internal ballistic flop which are very similar on paper - talking about how great they were and the new round isn’t new because it only matches them (which is inclusive to really be saying it is great too)... none of that talk really does anything to deter sales, nor does it negate how well the 6.5 creed suits the current rifle buying market. Low recoil, low cost, high availability, high capability... complain about new rifle buyers spending their money on that, because that’s productive, eh?

More Americans are buying rifles than they did a decade ago. You don’t have to like the fact the average rifle sold is either an AR-15 or a 6.5 creedmoor, but you damned sure better like that it’s being sold.
 
Mr_Flintstone said:
While we’re on this subject, what’s the difference between .260 Remington, 6.5x55, 6.5x47 Lapua, and 6.5 Creedmoor? It seems like they keep reinventing the wheel.
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the differences are subtle, but useful to those who are demanding of their choices.
 
Varminterror said:
Name another Non-AR based cartridge developed in the last 50 years which has taken over the #1-3 new rifle sales spots for major manufacturers within its first 5-10yrs of life?

If it really didn’t deliver and we’re all hype, we’d have heard it by now. But the folks buying rifles today want what it delivers. Talking about a 100yr old mid-length action cartridge or a marketing and internal ballistic flop which are very similar on paper - talking about how great they were and the new round isn’t new because it only matches them (which is inclusive to really be saying it is great too)... none of that talk really does anything to deter sales, nor does it negate how well the 6.5 creed suits the current rifle buying market. Low recoil, low cost, high availability, high capability... complain about new rifle buyers spending their money on that, because that’s productive, eh?

More Americans are buying rifles than they did a decade ago. You don’t have to like the fact the average rifle sold is either an AR-15 or a 6.5 creedmoor, but you damned sure better like that it’s being sold.
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1) While it has captured the imagination of many shooters, and sells well, it doesn't change the facts that it does nothing new.
2) It delivers everything that the 6.5 Swede does. Nothing more and nothing less.
3) Sales and popularity is irrelevant to the ballistic facts. If sales and popularity were a measure of perfection, then Justin Boober must be the most gifted singer of all time.
4) Low recoil and low cost, and high availability....Nothing that a multitude of cartridges do not also have.
5) High capability.... It's just a 6.5X55 Swede in a short case. Nothing more and nothing less. Nothing new or miraculous.
5) The fact that Americans might be buying more rifles because they have become obsessed with the the Creedmoor is irrelevant to it's
ballistics. It's still overrated.
6) Yes, the Creedmoor is a tad more efficient, because it can achieve it's century+ old Swede ballistics with less powder. But who cares?
How does this matter in the slightest to those shooting rifles costing thousands of dollars? Are they worried about a few grains of powder?

Hard core fans seem to dance all over the place trying to justify their beliefs that the Creedmoor is the greatest cartridge ever created.
But, despite all of their rationalizations, they can never disprove the reality that it's ballistics are just the century+ old 6.5X55 Swedish cartridge repackaged as a shiny new toy.
With a similar rifle with a similar barrel, the Swede can do everything that the Creedmoor can do.
Demonstrably then, the Creedmoor IS a highly overrated cartridge with century+ old ballistics.
Like so many things today, it's popular simply because it's popular.
 
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@Old Stumpy

1) Doesn’t matter if it’s ballistic capabilities aren’t new. The ballistic capabilities meet the need of the applications for which they’re being bought and used.

2) Doesn’t matter if it’s an external-ballistic clone of the 6.5 Swede.

3) Non-sequitur - ballistics aren’t the only measure of a cartridge’s success.

4) Again, doesn’t matter if it’s ballistic capabilities aren’t new.

5) Again, non-sequitur. If it’s selling high and satisfying the itch it’s owners have, it’s doing what it’s supposed to do.

6) Completely non-sequitur. The 6.5 creed is chambered in rifles from those “costing thousands of dollars” down to the $350 “Everyman’s rifle,” readily available and accessible to every. So - “who cares?” Well, the millions of Americans who are buying 6.5 Creedmoors to sate their rifle desires for their applications, that’s who.

But here’s a question for you - if the 260, 7-08, 6.5x55, 270win, or whatever old pet cartridge you might compare it against were everything the 6.5 Creed is for all purposes, why were they not so popular the world wouldn’t have been waiting for the 6.5 creed?
 
Varminterror said:
@Old Stumpy

1) Doesn’t matter if it’s ballistic capabilities aren’t new. The ballistic capabilities meet the need of the applications for which they’re being bought and used.

2) Doesn’t matter if it’s an external-ballistic clone of the 6.5 Swede.

3) Non-sequitur - ballistics aren’t the only measure of a cartridge’s success.

4) Again, doesn’t matter if it’s ballistic capabilities aren’t new.

5) Again, non-sequitur. If it’s selling high and satisfying the itch it’s owners have, it’s doing what it’s supposed to do.

6) Completely non-sequitur. The 6.5 creed is chambered in rifles from those “costing thousands of dollars” down to the $350 “Everyman’s rifle,” readily available and accessible to every. So - “who cares?” Well, the millions of Americans who are buying 6.5 Creedmoors to sate their rifle desires for their applications, that’s who.

But here’s a question for you - if the 260, 7-08, 6.5x55, 270win, or whatever old pet cartridge you might compare it against were everything the 6.5 Creed is for all purposes, why were they not so popular the world wouldn’t have been waiting for the 6.5 creed?
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Personally, I think the 7mm-08 should have been the equivalent of today's Creedmoor in popularity, but it was ahead of it's time and people were still too married to their 'ought-sixes, two-seventies and Three oh eights to give it a chance.

The CM was the right cartridge at the right time IMO. No more intermediate-length actions that the 7x57 and 6.5x55 require, an efficient case size and shape, and useful in all the modern platforms without jamming long bullets into the powder space. I wasn't looking for the 6.5 CM, as I already had two 7mm-08's, but I certainly cannot ignore the logic that went into it. And I've owned two 6.5x55's in my time.
 
Along with other various disadvantages the Swede is not a short-action cartridge so doesn't compare, and the 6.5 CM had a better factory twist rate and seating depths for long bullets than the .260 did. Combine that with a great rise in the popularity of long-range shooting and Hornady's far better support the Creedmoor was in the right time and position to win.

If you want to shoot Partitions, Accubonds, Interlocks or some such bullet I guess they all work about the same. And if you have a custom build I guess they all work about the same. But also please remember that for the average box-a-year hunter, typical factory ammo for the Swede often lags behind the Creedmoor by 200 fps or more, at the muzzle. And both are a joke compared to the factory support in rifles and ammo that you now see for the Creedmoor. I don't see any reason the average buyer should look to purchase a Swede or .260 over the Creedmoor.

It's not like they were ever going to come out with the Ruger Precision Rifle in 6.5x55. I will admit am a little bored of Creedmoor hype, just like the endless procession of AR-15s. But it's obvious there are good reasons both became so popular. Being inundated by a flood of Creedmoor articles doesn't make it a worse cartridge. I wonder if people said the similar things about the .308 back when it started competing with the .30-06?
 
You know, I seem to remember reading articles about the .243 win when it first came out that caused shooters to go all crazy about the new shinny toy.
There were cartridges that did relatively the same thing, 6mm Remington and .257 Roberts to name a couple, and the .243 win won out. It's still the most popular dual purpose round amongst sportsman.
The 6.5 creedmoor may be the shiny new toy that other calibers can mostly duplicate in some way or another but you're just gonna have to face the fact that it's what people want. You're not gonna change things no matter how much you rant and rave just like 6mm Remington and .257 Bob fans did back in the day. The 6.5 creedmoor is here to stay so deal with it and let it be for heaven's sake.
My dog is bigger than your dog arguments are pointless. Your welcome to shoot whatever cartridge you want and so is everyone else. If they want to praise it because it works for them, let em knock their selves out.
At least they are fellow sportsman keeping the legacy alive. Who really cares what their choice is, they all cleanly take game and punch holes in paper.
Happy shooting!
 
Old Stumpy said:
1) While it has captured the imagination of many shooters, and sells well, it doesn't change the facts that it does nothing new.
2) It delivers everything that the 6.5 Swede does. Nothing more and nothing less.
3) Sales and popularity is irrelevant to the ballistic facts. If sales and popularity were a measure of perfection, then Justin Boober must be the most gifted singer of all time.
4) Low recoil and low cost, and high availability....Nothing that a multitude of cartridges do not also have.
5) High capability.... It's just a 6.5X55 Swede in a short case. Nothing more and nothing less. Nothing new or miraculous.
5) The fact that Americans might be buying more rifles because they have become obsessed with the the Creedmoor is irrelevant to it's
ballistics. It's still overrated.
6) Yes, the Creedmoor is a tad more efficient, because it can achieve it's century+ old Swede ballistics with less powder. But who cares?
How does this matter in the slightest to those shooting rifles costing thousands of dollars? Are they worried about a few grains of powder?

Hard core fans seem to dance all over the place trying to justify their beliefs that the Creedmoor is the greatest cartridge ever created.
But, despite all of their rationalizations, they can never disprove the reality that it's ballistics are just the century+ old 6.5X55 Swedish cartridge repackaged as a shiny new toy.
With a similar rifle with a similar barrel, the Swede can do everything that the Creedmoor can do.
Demonstrably then, the Creedmoor IS a highly overrated cartridge with century+ old ballistics.
Like so many things today, it's popular simply because it's popular.
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The 6.5 Creedmagic fits in a diaper (short action), and has 10% less case capacity than the 6.5x55 Swede, which does not.

...and it's shiny.

:D




GR
 
I'm content to run what I have.
Don't need the latest and greatest.
Don't need one rifle to do it all either.
More is better.
 
I don't need the latest and greatest, but I'm not going to turn a blind eye to a better design and act as if it's nothing new either. But then, I haven't hit full curmudgeon yet. ;)
 
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