My Dad Got His Garand Today

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My dad got an M1 Garand today. CMP certified, a "field grade", and the bore looks good. Springfield Armory made. At 88 years of age, he's as happy as a kid with his first two-wheeler. ;):D We bought some ammo loaded to WWII specs to go with it. 150 Grain FMJ's. I heard some of the modern stuff batters the operating rods on these old rifles.

LD
 
My dad got an M1 Garand today. CMP certified, a "field grade", and the bore looks good. Springfield Armory made. At 88 years of age, he's as happy as a kid with his first two-wheeler. ;):D We bought some ammo loaded to WWII specs to go with it. 150 Grain FMJ's. I heard some of the modern stuff batters the operating rods on these old rifles.

LD

Good for him!

This will help w/ the ammo question.

The M1 Garand and Commerical Ammunition


Incidentally,

152 gr. M2 Ball spec
was:

Propellant:
Type ............................................ IMR 4895
Weight......................................... 50 gr

Chamber pressure.............................. 50,000 psi
Velocity .............................................. 2740 fps, 78 ft from muzzle.

Which is ~ 2800 fps at the muzzle.




GR
 
thanks folks....I got him a dozen clips which I will give him on Father's day, and my son can give him the ported gas plug. Since it's in no way a "collector's piece" I'm going to refinish the stock for him. I used to do that a company that I worked for who did it for milsurp guns back in the '90's to bring the stocks back to a more correct and newer finish.

LD
 
Sellier and Bellot make ammo for the M1. I have a number of rounds already thru mine with this ammo and works great! Congrats to your dad for his new Garand!
 
From what I understand, this from reading customer reviews on GarandGear and Schuster gas plugs, the performance of the rifle gets enhanced with deminished violence even with mil spec ammo.

Use the Ported Plug for Commercial factory loads, mainly PPU 165 gr. PSP and Remington 168 gr. TSX HogHammer.

Tend to run the USGI lock screw for ball ammo, both PPU and HXP, so that nothing changes for matches.

Grease/shoot/repeat.




GR
 
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Do him a favor and get some of the Creedmoor Match ammo from the CMP as well. It shoots very well in all of mine. Well worth the price every once in awhile.
 
No one really said yea or na to your "modern stuff will hammer it".

You do want "garand safe" loads for this old war horse.....other modern 3006 stuff is just too fast.

Me I roll my own so don't really need to worry about the gas plug.....but here is a suggestion.

Start with the port at the most open....shoot, it will not cycle....keep working your way back till you get the gun to run. Make a note....this is the setting for THIS LOT OF THIS AMMO. Wash rinse, repeat for the next (lot, mfg).....or just stick with the garand safe loadings......think of it like buying trapdoor safe 45-70....only if you load hot rounds in your old trapdoor you are likely to do a bit more then bend and bust parts.....well I bet parts will bust.

I am a real big fan of talking to people about reloading when looking at old rifles, I really think it is the best way to go.....it is not hard, if you can follow directions you can roll your own ammo.
 
Yes I have been known to roll my own for many rifles. I have gone from "Gee that group is borderline craptastic" to, "Wow, look at the nice 1" group" on more than one occasion. I've loaded for .308 Win, .303 British, .223 Rem, and 6.5x55mm Swede, so this shouldn't be a problem when I pick-up the dies. I was thinking the gas plug might be a nice accessory, if there was a bulk sale on some stuff that nobody knew if it was good to go or not for the Garand. On the other hand, will probably just play it safe and after shooting a couple hundred factory made "safe for the garand" stuff, I'll just recycle the brass and DIY some stuff.

LD
 
Yes I have been known to roll my own for many rifles. I have gone from "Gee that group is borderline craptastic" to, "Wow, look at the nice 1" group" on more than one occasion. I've loaded for .308 Win, .303 British, .223 Rem, and 6.5x55mm Swede, so this shouldn't be a problem when I pick-up the dies. I was thinking the gas plug might be a nice accessory, if there was a bulk sale on some stuff that nobody knew if it was good to go or not for the Garand. On the other hand, will probably just play it safe and after shooting a couple hundred factory made "safe for the garand" stuff, I'll just recycle the brass and DIY some stuff.

LD

Shoot a lot of this:

https://www.targetsportsusa.com/prv...mmo-150-grain-fmj-500-rds-ammocan-p-3573.aspx
Catch it on sale for $300/pop delivered.




GR
 
One word of caution when reloading for the M1 and other semi-auto firearms with floating firing pins. Pay careful attention to details, such as cleaning primer pockets and seating primers .002-.005” below case head. Mil Spec primers are a good idea, as well. Checking resized brass to be sure they fully chamber in your rifle using a good case headspace gauge. Keep rifle chamber clean, etc.

In other words, anything that can cause a “high primer” or the case to stop short of fully chambering can result in a slam fire, which if it occurs before bolt is completely in battery, can ruin your day.

Thankfully, slamfires are a relatively rare occurrence in any gas gun, but they have been documented in M1’s in spite of the safety measures engineered into the rifle by John Garand. See these features @ 4:15-5:00 in this excellent video:

https://youtu.be/GJJeBXZeVZU?t=313

I've fired many thousands of reloaded rounds through gas guns using regular primers and have never had a slamfire in one of my rifles. Having said that, I now use CCI #34 mil spec primers when loading for the M1/M14 as an added precaution.
http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/primers/primers.aspx?id=30


A slamfire in either the M1 or M14 can have disastrous results if it occurs before the bolt is in battery.

Lack of care in following careful reloading practices or a bit of debris on bolt face, or perhaps a broken firing pin, combined with a soft primer can also cause a slamfire.

I personally witnessed this incident, which occurred with an M1, and illustrates what can happen should an out of battery slamfire occur.

A friend who is a very experienced highpower competitor and reloader wrecked his match grade M1 Garand using the same handloads he had used for years when the rifle slam fired out of battery. Bent his op-rod, blew extractor/ejector out of bolt and rounded the receiver locking lug recess about 1/8" showing the bolt lug (thankfully) had barely entered the recess but was not fully in battery at the time the slamfire occurred. . The bolt parts (extractor, ejector and springs) were not recovered. He received a cut on the forehead by a piece of shrapnel which penetrated his cap sweatband and had an adverse effect on his trigger control for some time thereafter. Fortunately, the rifle, and his shooting ability have since been restored.

Close examination of the remaining lot of ammo, we found that the rounds were slightly oversize resulting in a snug fit in his match chamber. He had loaded this batch of ammo using the same (full length) die setting as always. Remember, all previous lots had measured and functioned just fine. The problem stemmed from the fact that this particular lot of brass had been fired at least 8 times and had work hardened. His dies had been set to give proper headspace with once fired brass and he failed to check headspace on this lot after loading. The harder brass springs back more than softer brass after sizing which resulted in oversized (for his chamber) rounds.

A good friend related another incident which he witnessed several years ago, proving that use of mil-spec primers alone is no guarantee against a slamfire.

“I was on the point just to the right at 600 yards during the State Service Rifle matches. A junior was shooting a DCM arsenal built State NM M14 using Spanish Berdan primed NATO ball.

Apparently there was a sensitive primer on a singly hand fed* round in the chamber that got impacted by the firing pin before bolt lockup when the kid released the bolt with the bolt release. There was an empty magazine in the rifle that got damaged along with the bolt and op rod.

I don't think the action or barrel was damaged beyond use but the stock was splintered and the shooter got a bruised left arm and minor abrasions and splinters through his 10X tan cloth shooting jacket. I remember hearing this unusual explosion on my left and getting hit by stock hardware and bolt roller parts that ended up on my mat, I looked over and the kid was lying there with a stunned look on his face with his rifle stock bent down at the action and smoke rising out of the left sleeve of his coat.

Luckily he was wearing glasses and the closed back end of the action controlled most of the blowback so he suffered only minor injuries and major questioning from his laundry lady! It is my opinion that it was a classic M1/M14 premature firing pin impact before bolt closure into full battery.”

*Many experienced service rifle competitors recommend loading the gas guns through the magazine or dropping the round in chamber, easing bolt down and hit op-rod w/heel of hand to assure rifle is in battery as opposed to single loading for this reason.

Regards,
hps
 
The above poster brought up a good point on a clean chamber.....Buddy and I are out shooting....this was many moons ago, both with garands....and he gets a FTF...ok no real biggy....ok wow it really does not want to feed....even by hand....***.

Long story short, after all that shooting a case got stuck and ripped the case almost in half.....I have seen the base come off the case but never the case itself pull in half....the new round would go a few inches in and stop....going back to the house and a flash light we can see part of a case stuck in there. Ok...well looks like we are not shooting this for a while.

I think the issue was two fold....back in the late 80's when this happened we really did not know about the gun running too fast....I think it tried to eject with too much pressure still there, and/or it was dirty....I have never seen this again, or even read about this happening to anyone else....I wish we had cell phones back then....it was really something.

We could not get that case out.....took it to a gunsmith, and the only thing he said was it must have been an over pressure round.....I don't even remember what we are shooting....likely some greek surplus as that stuff grew on trees at the time.
 
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