Assault rifle for small apartment/self defense?

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I'd never use an assault rifle for home defense. The benefit of having automatic fire is worth basically nothing, while the risk of losing an NFA gun to be damaged or confiscated permanently in a police evidence locker is high.
 
I'm in a house but I don't anticipate any targets farther than 50 yards. While I would feel perfectly well armed with any of my Sig pistols carrying a red dot or flashlight I went with an 11.5" AR-pistol which I later converted to a 10.5" AK-pistol. It carries both a light and a large Trijicon red dot.

1. I'm in a house so shots will likely be within a room. Potential misses will travel at least 40-50 yards until the next habitation making an unwanted catastrophe less likely (but still possible)
2. Any weapon I would use has (usually) a light. If not a light it has a red dot, possibly both.
3. I cannot emphasize enough the importance of visibility of both your sights and your target. Hence the lights and/or red dots.

Some pics (note, some of these have lasers, I generally find lasers to be fairly useless since most lose the point of aim very quickly, exception are lasers made for the specific model of firearm).

Here is one of my Ar's with a light, this is not the pistol (and before all-y'all get on my case, yes it does have a firedot scout scope, this functions perfectly fine as a red dot as well as a conventional scope scope):

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10 mm Tangfolio CZ-95 with light:

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p229 with Legion RX slide (red dot)

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Mk25 with light:

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If not a handgun of any decent caliber, I'd look very seriously at something like the Mossberg Shockwave or Remington version before any rifle. I'm an apartment dweller myself and try to be mindful of the others who share this space.
My EDC is my home defense piece, along with my 12 gauge single-shot. Both are incredibly loud indoors with bounteous muzzle flash (see my avatar pic for proof). That and the noise should count towards the response in my book.
 
Robert beat me to it, but you probably don't need full auto to defend your apartment.

One can not use automatic rifle for defense. In this case semiauto bullpup like a Tavor would work with "varmint-type" ammo. I believe Hornady TAP is designed for such use.
 
Sinterfire ammo would be great in a short .223 AR 15 pistol for an apartment or maybe the pcc even better (I tend not to trust pistol bullets to stop in drywall)........ if I didn't have 2 handguns(with light for caliber gds) and 2 shotguns specifically designated to this purpose.
 
Let's clarify and be realistic:

1. The OP uses the commonly misused term 'assault rifle' - we know that he probably doesn't mean a fully auto gun. Gun folks get jollies correcting the usage. We get it.

2. Folks recommend guns they probably haven't shot in tactical exercises or simulations. Shockwave style guns are the gimmick of the moment. If you see analyses by pro level folks, they do not recommend them over stocked shotguns. Next, most shotgun shells will penetrate (even bird shot) a standard wall and for buck, more than one.

3. SBRs are really very loud and in a room with no hearing protection - that's will be a beast.

People talk about equipment before training and tactics. The equipment is a magic wand. NO - get some decent training first. If you want to use a long arm - you certainly need to try it out in a training and competition environment.
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I would feel perfectly well armed for home defense with a Ruger PC9 and a 17 round magazine filled with Gold Dots or HST. I would also sleep pretty well with a Hi Point Carbine in 40, 45 or 10mm. Since they are limited to 10 round magazines I think I would prefer the bigger calibers.

Heck, a KelTec Sub2000 would probably do just fine. Or just buy a Mossberg 500 and be done with it.

One of the things I add to my nightly prayers is that I hope never to fire a full power rifle indoors.
 
I'm in a house but I don't anticipate any targets farther than 50 yards. While I would feel perfectly well armed with any of my Sig pistols carrying a red dot or flashlight I went with an 11.5" AR-pistol which I later converted to a 10.5" AK-pistol. It carries both a light and a large Trijicon red dot

How did you do the conversion and how did it work out? :D
 
Another thing that hasn't been mentioned here for this home defense context... they say clearing your own house is the most dangerous thing you can do. There's reasons cops call SWAT to clear a house if time and circumstances permit. If your family includes elderly, infirm, or children, you'll obviously want to be sure they're safe.

Regardless of what weapon you choose for HD, if possible, it would be prudent to situate yourself (with your weapon and cell phone) where the perp/enemy can't get behind you and must come through a funnel to reach you. What weapon you're looking over from a static position seems pretty irrelevant.

While all this is going on, you're supposed to be already on the phone with 9-11 so your problem is on record and the responding officers know where in the floorplan you are. My understanding is you and the cops are both communicating with 9-11. This part should help the defending resident and responding cops keep from shooting each other because of mistaken identity.

Hopefully none of this drama ever happens. When guns aren't needed for unpleasantness, they're supposed to be enjoyable.
 
I used to work for a big box store and more than once I had a man ask me what he should get for his wife to keep in the house "just in case". 9 out of 10 times the wife had no experience in firearms or very limited experience. 9 out of 10 times the wife was also more petite than her husband. I would recommend and many times sell a Mossberg youth 20ga. shotgun. The youth shotgun had a shorter stock and less recoil than the home defense 12 gauges. As I recall the barrels were 20" which makes them capable of shooting in enclosed rooms and hallways. Ammunition was also plentiful. It's not sexy but it's capable.
kwg
 
The youth shotgun had a shorter stock and less recoil than the home defense 12 gauges

my problem with shotguns isnt the recoil,its having to load them 1 shell at a time.ive been lookin at PCC's though im thinking maybe something like a ruger pc carbine would be better then something like an ar 15 or ak 47
 
There are mag fed scatterguns. There are also speed loaders. There’s also an undeniable fact any issue needing more than 7 rounds from a 12ga in an apartment home invasion scenario would be exceedingly rare, even within an already exceedingly rare category.
 
Since you live in an apartment, my number one choice of a good size dog is out.
I prefer an 18" barreled shotgun to an AR. I have a 12 ga with 2 3/4" turkey loads. If 8 rounds of that don't stop it, you made the wrong thing mad. Shotguns must be "aimed" at close range.
A good handgun with defense ammo is a close third.
Rifles make you lose a lot of hearing it your ears aren't protected.
 
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i was talking about that on other forum and people were saying how bad they are and how the magazines screw up the shells.because i know mossberg has a mag fed shotgun

I ran a Saiga 12 for several years. If it tore up shells, I certainly never noticed it.
 
I ran a Saiga 12 for several years. If it tore up shells, I certainly never noticed it.

yeah,plus i saw the inside of a shotgun magazine and the shells look fine.so i dont know,maybe they were wrong.mossberg's 590M seemed interesting
 
Imagine you were going to create the perfect firearm for home defense. What would you want? You'd want it to be reliable. Because click instead of bang is not an option when it is your family on the line. It should be shoulder fired because they are so much easier to be accurate with under duress. But for use indoors you'd want it lightweight and compact. It should be easy to shoot, easy to maintain, and easy to adjust and modify for different users. That way your spouse can use it too. Red dots and reflex sights are much easier to use and quicker to acquire than iron sights, and you might want to add a white light as well. It should be accurate, because you're going to have to own every round you fire. But it should still have decent capacity, because no one ever got in a gun fight and wished they had less ammo. And what about the cartridge? We need something powerful enough to take the fight out of someone quickly, but not so powerful as to be irresponsible in an urban setting, or so powerful as to produce excessive amounts of recoil and blast. Congratulations, you just invented the AR-15 in 5.56.

The AR-15, and other lightweight semi-auto 5.56mm carbines have some advantages over both handguns and shotguns that bear consideration. A carbine can be found significantly lighter and shorter than a shotgun. Even in pistol format, a braced pistol in 5.56 can be had shorter and lighter than something like a Mossberg Shockwave. The carbine isn't quite as terminally effective as the shotgun, but has much better capacity and lower recoil. It is also typically easier to add optics too. The AR will require less from the user to be reliable than a pump action shotgun, as long as it is maintained in advance. The ease of use combined with a more nimble and responsive package in a low recoil cartridge means that the AR is just easier to use in tight spaces, easier for new people to get accustomed to, and easier to acquire and maintain proficiency with. The 5.56 cartridge is well suited for urban environments. It is a small caliber round with projectiles that typically have thin jackets. When driven at the velocities the 5.56 is capable of pushing them, the projectiles typically deform readily, either fragmenting and losing mass or expanding and increasing surface area and drag. Either way this causes them to lose momentum quickly. As a result, many rounds for the 5.56 penetrate equal to or less than many popular defensive handgun rounds. Handgun rounds tend to be larger in caliber and heavier in mass. They lack the velocity to do the cavitation damage the centerfire rifle is capable of and the energy to be reliably effective. But they have a decent amount of mass, which means they maintain momentum more readily, and tend to penetrate through many common household barriers surprisingly well. The 5.56 will be much more effective terminally than pistol calibers, even when fired from carbine length barrels, because the 5.56 produces enough velocity to damage tissue through hydrostatic shock, and deposits two or three times as much energy two or three times as fast as the pistol rounds.

So the carbine is more effective than the pistol rounds, by a wide margin, and more handy indoors and easier to use than the shotgun, again by a wide margin. And with proper ammo, like a Black Hills Mk 262 with the 77 gr SMK or the Federal FBIT3 round with the Trophy Bonded JSP, the 5.56 will also be safer indoors than most handgun or buckshot rounds. That is why the carbine has almost completely replaced the SMG and the shotgun for police use, and why over 5 million Americans own over 15 million AR-15s.

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Choose a firearm. Practice with that firearm until you become really, really good with it. Practice with it until you can work it in your sleep and dream about using it in all sorts of different ways. Clean it. Oil it. Shoot it at different distances and in different light patterns too. Give it a name. Break it in right until the moving parts have meshed and the weak parts have been replaced. Read up and research your firearm until you know how you want it set up to your specific needs. Run your own tests to see if you personally believe that the firearm you have chosen is a good option or not. That means shooting it through plaster board, wood framing and so on. Make up your own mind by doing your own realistic tests for your general situation.
 
Mr. Sagdiyev,

I strongly encourage you to take a firearms safety course followed by defensive firearms training by an NRA certified instructor. Good day to you.
 
SBRs are really very loud and in a room with no hearing protection - that's will be a beast.

This is true, especially of the cut-down rifle-caliber ones, but I'm thinking, and I could be wrong, that a pistol-caliber SBR will not be any louder than a home defense pistol would be and likely a bit quieter. I know the pressure and blast from 5.56 x 45 out of a 14.5" M4 carbine in a close-quarters shoot house is eye-watering, and the standard M4 is long-barreled as far as SBRs go. I ended up with a Sig MPX 8" SBR.

I used to work for a big box store and more than once I had a man ask me what he should get for his wife to keep in the house "just in case". 9 out of 10 times the wife had no experience in firearms or very limited experience. 9 out of 10 times the wife was also more petite than her husband. I would recommend and many times sell a Mossberg youth 20ga. shotgun. The youth shotgun had a shorter stock and less recoil than the home defense 12 gauges. As I recall the barrels were 20" which makes them capable of shooting in enclosed rooms and hallways. Ammunition was also plentiful. It's not sexy but it's capable.
kwg

I think your recommendation has a lot in its favor, but I think a consideration is also the possibility of an inexperienced and unpracticed shooter short-stroking the gun under stress for a second shot or if the gun is kept cruiser ready. In this sense, a semiauto gun is actually simpler.

my problem with shotguns isnt the recoil,its having to load them 1 shell at a time.ive been lookin at PCC's though im thinking maybe something like a ruger pc carbine would be better then something like an ar 15 or ak 47

I think this would be a good choice, but bear in mind that pistol calibers will also readily penetrate a house's worth of interior walls.
 
As far as the over-penetration goes, here's a decent article that links some testing. Surprisingly a 5.56/.223 with the right ammo is less a concern than handgun rounds or buckshot:

http://preparedgunowners.com/2016/0...for-home-defense-fbi-overpenetration-testing/

A decent cut from above:

FBI and Independent Testing Has Consistently Shown .223/5.56 NATO Fired From AR-15’s Do Not Over Penetrate More Than Pistol/Shotgun
First up is this older article by R.K. Taubert, a retired FBI agent with over 20 years experience who conducted extensive counter-terrorism and weapons research while with the Bureau.

To quote Mr Taubert, (emphasis mine) ” … As a result of renewed law enforcement interest in the .223 round and in the newer weapons systems developed around it, the FBI recently subjected several various .223 caliber projectiles to 13 different ballistic tests and compared their performance to that of SMG-fired hollow point pistol bullets in 9mm, 10mm, and .40 S&W calibers.

“Bottom Line: In every test, with the exception of soft body armor, which none of the SMG fired rounds defeated, the .223 penetrated less on average than any of the pistol bullets.”

Another reference:

http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=26

Summary
The 55 grain HP .223 has less penetration than any of the other ammunition tested. Based on the results of this testing, there appears to be no basis for concern regarding the over penetration of the .223 [HP] round. In fact, it seems even safer in this regard than .40 S&W handgun ammunition.

The hollow point cavity in the .40S&W round filled with material when shot through the wall. This caused [these bullets] to fail to expand when they entered the gelatin. As a result, they penetrated 8.5" farther than when shot directly into the gelatin.

When the .223 [HP] was shot through the wall it began to fragment and as a result penetrated the gelatin only 5.5".

Because the .223 [HP] begins to break up on impact, it has less potential for damage or injury than the 12 ga. in the event of a ricochet. The .223 [HP] is obviously safer in an urban environment than the 12 ga. with slugs or buckshot.

Additional testing conducted proved that the .223 would penetrate a car door or glass. The .223 rounds fired into windshields began to break up after entering the glass and did not retain much energy. In most cases these rounds split in two.
 
An AR with appropriate ammo would be fine. The fine folks over at Box o Truth have done several tests of ARs using different ammo and drywall. Some did very well. I'm not sure I'd us an AK though as the 30 cal has more energy and much more penetration.
I seem to remember them doing a video showing that some typical 9mm SD rounds actually penetrated more layers of drywall that some 5.56mm rounds?
 
I wonder how the new Inceptor polymer bullets/ammo in things like the .458 SOCOM, 7.62x39, .300 Blackout, and 5.56 do in an apartment setting or even their handgun rounds in a PCC. They have some interesting load information on their website but I do not know anyone who has tried it outside of mag and internet reviews.
 
Another question if anyone knows is whether CorBon is still in operation and selling ammo. Their website has not been updated recently but the Glaser was the grandfather of most of the less penetrative ammo while still maintaining its ability to stop threats. Their PowrBall was similar and that was some of the most accurate ammo that I have ever fired in .357 Magnum. I would hate to think that they went under.
 
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