Smith Model 1917 .45

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What are the right places? I don’t own any revolvers but this one could scratch the WWII bug that’s been making me itch lately?

Since I don’t own any revolvers I’d open up the thread to advice regarding what to look for in a used revolver.
 
What are the right places? I don’t own any revolvers but this one could scratch the WWII bug that’s been making me itch lately?

Since I don’t own any revolvers I’d open up the thread to advice regarding what to look for in a used revolver.
Whoo boy, Id be hesitant without the chance to inspect it before buying.

There is a thread archived on here which goes over all the issues with old revolvers such as timing, lockup, carry-up, and endshake- all of which can be problems on old, worn revolvers. Do a site search for "Revolver Checkout" and you should find it. Some of these are cheaply and easily fixed, others not so much......

Just looking at the one in question, I would deduct points for the incorrect grips, missing lanyard ring, and some moderate pitting. I would want to see the bore, as well.

At best this would be a shooter grade 1917, assuming it is mechanically perfect. As such, $450 is a good price.

If it has any timing issues, I would pass and keep your eyes out for a S&W Victory Model .38 or Colt Commando as these are much more common WW2 era US revolvers and are often found in better shape for about the same price range. Victory Models are basically the same as the Model 10 and parts are relatively cheap and common as well.
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Thanks! I’m looking at this like a historical piece that I can use. Not really looking for something I can’t get out and shoot at least occasionally or carry on a rare occasion.
 
Can't say if one I only saw a picture of is worth 50 cents or $500 but,

I do like N frames and do like M1917s

-kBob

No plan survives contact with the enemy.....unless of course the enemy do not survive contact with your plan. Make it a good one.
 
Al-jim19

Good advice from NIGHTLORD40K about looking for something like a S&W Victory Model or a Colt Commando (also known as the Official Police), in .38 Special. Still affordable and perfectly well suited for a steady diet of .38 Special ammo on a regular basis.

I have a wartime issue S&W M&P revolver that was not a Victory Model but looks just like one (no V serial number prefix and no government acceptance marks). Most likely issued to a bank guard or a security officer at a Defense plant, I got it for a fraction of the cost of what a Victory Model goes for.

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If you are interested in a S&W Victory model as a shootable piece of World War II history, then you should do some research about them first. Most Victory models were chambered for .38 S&W, which is a different round from .38 special. 38 S&W is a little bit shorter and fatter than 38 special, and the bore diameter for 38 S&W is a bit larger.

After the war, many Victory models were converted to 38 special and sold on the US civilian market. These conversions were done in a number of different ways, and not all of them are very satisfactory as shooters. Victory models which are historically original, or which have proper 38 special cylinders and barrels are likely to be more expensive. So if you are interested in a Victory model, make sure you know what you are buying and what you expect out of it.
 
Howdy

S&W had been making large frame 44 caliber side swing revolvers since 1908. These were known as the 44 Hand Ejector 1st Model, also known as the New Century, but most fondly known as the Triple Lock because of the unique 3rd latch securing the cylinder at the front of the yoke. Most were chambered for the then new 44 Special cartridge.

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In 1915 the third cylinder latch was eliminated as was the large underlug, leaving the underside of the barrel clear. This model was called the 44 Hand Ejector 2nd Model. Some of these were chambered for the British 455 Mark II cartridge and sent to Great Britain.

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Prior to the United States entry into World War One in 1917, Smith and Wesson approached the Army suggesting that they could supply revolvers chambered for the 45 ACP cartridge, the same round the Colt 1911 Semi-Auto pistol chambered.

Smith and Wesson made 175,000 45 ACP revolvers for the Army between April 6, 1917 and February 1, 1919. Unlike some manufacturers, which had been naming firearms for the year they were introduced, this is he only S&W revolver I am aware of that was named for the year it was introduced, namely 1917. Serial Numbers ran from 1 through 175,000.

Barrel length was 5 1/2". The amount of space between the rear of the cylinder and the frame was wider than normal so half moon clips could be used, but the chambers were square cut so the revolver could be fired with the case mouths head spacing on the front of the chamber. The extractor engaged the half moon clips, if fired without clips the empties would have to be poked or pried out of the chambers. Later, the 45 Auto Rim cartridge was developed with a thick rim to take up the extra space behind the cylinder so the empties could be ejected by the extractor engaging the rims. The finish on these revolvers was not the usual high luster finish, it was somewhat duller than normal.

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Although there were some commercial models made, the ones for the Army had UNITED STATES PROPERTY marked on the underside of the barrel.

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They were marked US ARMY MODEL 1917 on the underside of the butt.

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Revolvers up to about SN 42,000 will have GHS stamped on the frame near the hammer, for Major Gilbert H Stewart, the inspector at the time. Later revolvers have the Flying Bomb.

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Caution should be exercised with the early Model 1917s as they had no hammer block inside. It is conceivable that a sharp blow to the hammer could set off a round under the hammer. In 1933 at SN 185,000 a hammer block was installed, but it was not the modern sliding type hammer block.

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In 1937 S&W signed a contract with Brazil for 25,000 Model 1917 revolvers. These had the Brazilian seal and the date 1937 stamped on the side plate. These are often known as the Brazilian 1917s and they do not command as high a price as a military 1917 from WWI.

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Total production of the S&W Model 1917 was 209,791 produced from 1917 until 1946.

The S&W Model 1917 is a fine gun to add to any revolver collection. They are fun to shoot with standard 45ACP ammunition.

However I would never buy a revolver I had not personally inspected.
 
Most Victory models were chambered for .38 S&W, which is a different round from .38 special. 38 S&W is a little bit shorter and fatter than 38 special, and the bore diameter for 38 S&W is a bit larger.

We need to be a little bit more accurate about that.

According to SCSW, 568,204 Victory model revolvers were chambered for 38 S&W and sent to Britain as part of the Lend Lease program. 242,291 were chambered for 38 Special and distributed to various American outfits. So yes, more were chambered for 38 S&W than 38 Special, however there were plenty of Victory models chambered for 38 Special.

It should be noted that a sailor was killed on a US warship when a Victory model fell to the deck of a warship and discharged. After that S&W redesigned the hammer block. Those with the new hammer block will have a SV prefix in front of the serial number. The style of hammer block installed in the SV models is the same style that S&W currently uses.
 
I think at $450 I’d take a chance on the one in the picture, if i could pick it up and be able to pull the trigger some to verify timing and lockup. It does have some finish problems, but I could overlook that.

The grips are worth something in themselves.

OP study that thread mentioned above or this one here: https://www.ammoland.com/2008/12/inspection-guide-for-smith-and-wesson-revolvers/#axzz5lUijgRDO

Seriously, study it. If the revolver checks out according to these, I’d definitely grab it.
 
Do you know any information on the commercial models?

The only information I have about the commercial 1917s is what SCSW says. It says they are considered rare. A few shipped with a nickel finish, considered premium. Small S&W trademark stamped on the left side of the frame. Checkered diamond walnut grips, Magna grips after 1938.
 
...and the obvious omission of the US Property stamp on the barrel and no US ARMY MODEL 1917 on the butt. Serial number on the butt is lined up like a "normal" S&W. Most/many will have lanyard hole or plugged hole.
 
All the Commercial 1917s I have seen have had the lanyard ring and post.

I believe they were dropped with the Model 1950.

Kevin
 
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