For Hunting to 425 yds. 6.5 CM Vs. 270 Win

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Varminterror said:
I’m not a very good shot and I hit my buck last winter on the run with a round only traveling 2500fps... too bad I didn’t have TWICE as much powder behind my bullet, so I could have killed that buck even more dead...
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It's pronounced dead-er, or dead-er-est depending on just how much powder you used.

I will say my .270 WSM stuffed with MagPro was the loudest rifle I've ever owned, if there was anyone next to me when I got to the range, they usually didn't stay very long.
 
Varminterror said:
I’m not a very good shot and I hit my buck last winter on the run with a round only traveling 2500fps... too bad I didn’t have TWICE as much powder behind my bullet, so I could have killed that buck even more dead...
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You mustta been giving him like a mile lead! And I'm sure it was the tumble that killed 'im! 2500 ain't fast enough to kill... Uhm.... Something... .I quit
 
Gtscotty said:
It's pronounced dead-er, or dead-er-est depending on just how much powder you used.

I will say my .270 WSM stuffed with MagPro was the loudest rifle I've ever owned, if there was anyone next to me when I got to the range, they usually didn't stay very long.
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Oooo weve been forgetting about blast! Smaller powder volume, increased efficiency, lower operating pressure = less blast!
Honestly I don't find much difference behind the gun, but short barrel and/or magnum and I. NOT. HAPPY. .. .
 
Funny how some people can make clean kills or really tiny groups with “inferior” rounds or equipment than some with far superior equipment.

It is a supporting factor in knowing what your combination does vs chasing an ever moving “ideal”.

You can play with ballistic calculators as long as you want, know what your load is going to do, at what distances, and an accurate range finder will be more useful, than any mathematical speculation.

One reason why benchrest shooters know the key to winning is knowing wind better than the folks you beat.
 
jmorris said:
Funny how some people can make clean kills or really tiny groups with “inferior” rounds or equipment than some with far superior equipment.

It is a supporting factor in knowing what your combination does vs chasing an ever moving “ideal”.

You can play with ballistic calculators as long as you want, know what your load is going to do, at what distances, and an accurate range finder will be more useful, than any mathematical speculation.

One reason why benchrest shooters know the key to winning is knowing wind better than the folks you beat.
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I don't think anyone will argue that knowing your rifle/load, where it actually hits at range and in real wind, from field positions, is key. That kind of preparation and practice should be a given for serious shooters and hunters.
 
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Gtscotty said:
I don't think anyone will argue that knowing your rifle/load, where it actually hits at range and in real wind, from field positions, is key. That kind of preparation and practice should be a given for serious shooters and hunters.
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While I agree, and believe that's true for nearly everyone on the forums at least.
I know quite a few people who kill allot of animals that just go. "Emmm...I'mma hold it there"
In days of yore that was standard behavior, and with a fast enough cartridge at reasonable ranges that works fine.

Now a guy with 30-30 lever evolution, a rangefinder and a good wind dope can drop rounds on target way farther than they should be able to. And farther than most "folks" with a faster cartridge!
Still tho, there are the "bout there" people and not everyone is gonna change.
 
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Just doing some math real quick.

Flight time for a 140 grain 6.5 @ 2700 FPS to 200 yards is .23 second vs .22 seconds for a 130 grain 270 @ 3000 FPS.

A white tail deer has a top speed of 30 MPH which is 528 inches per second.

So the difference is 5.3 inches in lead on a deer at full sprint at 200 yards. Any decrease in speed, decrease in distance, or angle other than perfectly 90 degrees from the shooter and that number gets smaller.
 
I caution you fellows...

This page makes sense. It is almost like some of us might have shot more than one cartridge in our life span.
What we need is a large list of numbers, that are all amazingly similar, to argue about.

Please be enormously obtuse or incredibily vauge with support of these numbers. Facts are not necessarily needed. Words like easier and better will do. This way you may be able to make a veiled statment and ally or discredit it at whim.

@C-grunt, thank you for explaining the ridiculous running deer. I might have but I am much too experty.
Wait. Are you an expert too?
If so your post is now void. Evidently when someone wants to discuss ballistics they don't want to do it with an expert or anyone that has done a little duck swatting.

Verily, if you've done any shooting with a bipod, you are persona non grata. I mean, who wants to be proven wrong?
 
i have checked five gun shops here and ask if the new fangled calibers coming on line are out selling the older calibers for hunting and the answer was a big no, at two of our ranges(out to 1000 yards) I pick up range brass for junk and over 90 precent are older hunting calibers. I have several 5 gallon buckets of brass if any one wants to look thru them. this does not mean one is better then others, only what I have seen. and may change in other locals. these posts just piss the fan boys off on either side.
 

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eastbank said:
i have checked five gun shops here and ask if the new fangled calibers coming on line are out selling the older calibers for hunting and the answer was a big no, at two of our ranges(out to 1000 yards) I pick up range brass for junk and over 90 precent are older hunting calibers. I have several 5 gallon buckets of brass if any one wants to look thru them. this does not mean one is better then others, only what I have seen. and may change in other locals. these posts just piss the fan boys off on either side.
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I wanna shoot on that range!
 
It's not a .270 Win but for me the .308 Win is more versatile than the 6.5 CM as an all-around hunting cartridge or just an all-around cartridge. It offers a much wider range of bullet weights, and if you don't like lead in your meat the .308 Win is a much better option for shooting monolithic copper bullets. I've never felt significant recoil differences between a 6.5 CM shooting 140gr to 147gr bullets or a .308 Win shooting 150gr to 168gr bullets. I've never owned a .270 Win but I did buy one for a female friend in Hawaii and worked up a 130gr TTSX load for her that will put five shots inside 0.7" at 100 yards with ease. She has no problem with the recoil, puts three shots inside an inch at 100 yards off a pack, and has used that rifle to take numerous Axis deer and some sheep in Hawaii. She's not looking to "upgrade" to the 6.5 CM.

I do think it's amusing that the 6.5 CM was touted as the ultimate PRS cartridge but hardly anyone is using it anymore.
 
Elkins45 said:
My biggest issue with 6.5 CM is that it’s a really sloppy fit in the chamber of the 270 rifle I’ve already bought and paid for.
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Not for nothing, but that made me laugh, actually out loud, and I can relate; my 20-ish year-old Savage .270 is not going to a new home any time soon.
 
MCMXI said:
It's not a .270 Win but for me the .308 Win is more versatile than the 6.5 CM as an all-around hunting cartridge or just an all-around cartridge. It offers a much wider range of bullet weights, and if you don't like lead in your meat the .308 Win is a much better option for shooting monolithic copper bullets. I've never felt significant recoil differences between a 6.5 CM shooting 140gr to 147gr bullets or a .308 Win shooting 150gr to 168gr bullets. I've never owned a .270 Win but I did buy one for a female friend in Hawaii and worked up a 130gr TTSX load for her that will put five shots inside 0.7" at 100 yards with ease. She has no problem with the recoil, puts three shots inside an inch at 100 yards off a pack, and has used that rifle to take numerous Axis deer and some sheep in Hawaii. She's not looking to "upgrade" to the 6.5 CM.

I do think it's amusing that the 6.5 CM was touted as the ultimate PRS cartridge but hardly anyone is using it anymore.
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There's certainly nothing wrong with the .308, it's kind of like the Toyota Corolla of rifle cartridges, not really great at anything, but not bad at anything either. I just can't seem to keep one around very long, each time I get a new .308, it eventually winds up sitting at the back of the safe as it's not really my preferred round for any given task.

Why do you think the .308 is a much better option for shooting copper bullets than something like a 127gr 6.5mm LRX or 130g 6.8mm TTSX? Have you had failures with the 6.5 or 6.8 monolithic bullets?
 
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