The concept of a "field pistol"?

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I had to go look up the definition of a "field pistol," at least as defined by FK Brno. It seems to me that it's designed to fill the role of a rifle out to 100M. Sort of a short range hunting arm/PDW, although the latter can get by with a less powerful round.

This would the closest I have to a "field pistol," but it's too valuable to be schlepping it around in the woods (although I do shoot it).

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IMO, we really got screwed by the NFA vis-a-vis stocked pistols. It's much easier to shoot well with the stock attached; a modern version with a red dot would be even more so. With the advent of pistol braces the NFA issue has largely been mitigated. AAMOF, I am picking up a CZ Scorpion Micro with brace later today. It doesn't meet FKB's definition of a field pistol due to the cartridge (9x19) but it should be an effective PDW out to 100M.
 
bc1023 said:
It’s an incredible pistol. I’m always amazed how many people judge it without ever even seeing one in person. :)
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I think it's just the price that kind of miffs most folks. There's a lot of us that have absolutely no way to afford a gun like that, and since it isn't an option, it's easy to be very dismissive.

I could buy one, but it would be the most irresponsible financial decision I'd ever make. At this point I'm ecstatic that my career has progressed far enough that $2000 pistols are now a possibility. However those are going to be few and far between. The FK BRNO is an interesting gun though.
 
460Shooter said:
I think it's just the price that kind of miffs most folks. There's a lot of us that have absolutely no way to afford a gun like that, and since it isn't an option, it's easy to be very dismissive.

I could buy one, but it would be the most irresponsible financial decision I'd ever make. At this point I'm ecstatic that my career has progressed far enough that $2000 pistols are now a possibility. However those are going to be few and far between. The FK BRNO is an interesting gun though.
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Save your pennies. That 2k pistol u can afford now can turns I to a 6k + pistol in a few years if you truely want it.

The problem is most want quantity over quality. They will run out and buy a bunch of run of mill stuff and complain they cannot afford it. Yet spent, over all, just as much than ______ would have cost them.

Caveat being once you reach that level it only goes up, not down.
 
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When I think field pistol my mind goes to revolvers like Ruger Security or GP series, or Glock for semiautos.
 
tarosean said:
Save your pennies. That 2k pistol u can afford now can turns I to a 6k + pistol in a few years if you truely want it.

The problem is most want quantity over quality. They will run out and buy a bunch of run of mill stuff and complain they cannot afford it. Yet spent, over all, just as much than ______ would have cost them.

Caveat being once you reach that level it only goes up, not down.
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I agree, but if I had $8000 I didn't need it would go straight to my mortgage or toward a new pickup truck. While I have a good job, it's not a career that will lead me to a six figure income until I'm only a few years from retirement, and that's if I'm lucky.

It's just a matter of choices. I want to pay my house off more than I want an FK BRNO. You are absolutely right though, I've seen folks complain about the cost of a nicer gun, but then they share that they own 17 Glocks. Well..... you chose to own 17 Glocks, and not the one nice gun you wanted. So why complain?

And that's why personally, I do not complain about the cost of certain guns anymore. To me it's just a choice not to own one. I'm pretty excited for the $2000 range! Hooray for me!
 
tarosean said:
The problem is most want quantity over quality. They will run out and buy a bunch of run of mill stuff and complain they cannot afford it. Yet spent, over all, just as much than ______ would have cost them.
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This is absolutely not limited to guns, and is an under-noticed aspect of our current culture. Clothes are a big example of this. If you look at the wardrobe of someone like the Duke of Windsor - a literal former monarch with effectively infinite money who was famous for being a clothehorse/dandy - his total quantity of clothing was a fraction of what most modern Americans own. But instead of a million different graphic-T's and flannel shirts and jeans from big box stores, he had a much smaller number of suits and jackets that were handmade for him. People buy such junk that the only way to derive much enjoyment from it is to experience the thrill of the new thing. So they cycle through vast quantities of commodity-grade stuff.

Not that I'm going to buy an FK Brno thing, either. I'm just saying that guys filling safes with commodity grade guns might be happier in the end, and spend just the same amount of money, buying a smaller number of things that are really excellent.
 
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ATLDave said:
This is absolutely not limited to guns, and is an under-noticed aspect of our current culture. Clothes are a big example of this. If you look at the wardrobe of someone like the Duke of Windsor - a literal former monarch with effectively infinite money who was famous for being a clothehorse/dandy, his total quantity of clothing was a fraction of what most modern Americans own. But instead of a million different graphic-T's and flannel shirts and jeans from big box stores, he had a much smaller number of suits and jackets that were handmade for him. People buy such junk that the only way to derive much enjoyment from it is to experience the thrill of the new thing. So they cycle through vast quantities of commodity-grade stuff.

Not that I'm going to buy an FK Brno thing, either. I'm just saying that guys filling safes with commodity grade guns might be happier in the end, and spend just the same amount of money, buying a smaller number of things that are really excellent.
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Yup. "Penny Wise and dollar Stupid" is how I heard it put once. A large price tag scares people away, even though they may spend more on multiple small purchases because they are easier to swallow, but don't quite scratch the itch. I had to catch myself on loading components. Spending less on a pack of 500 was alright when I only had the spare cash for 500. But when I started looking closer at bulk purchases, I'd be spending a lot less overall. I already knew that, the problem was I was just being impatient and undisciplined.

Buying guns and other durable goods is no different.
 
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There are kind of two different levels of this: One is buying something so deficient that it really has no use, or a useful lifetime so short that it can only be considered a wasteful acquisition. This is called buying garbage.

There's also buying stuff that is just-good-enough for immediate purposes... and then doing so again and again, because the things don't have enough nice-ness to them to give lasting satisfaction. They're not garbage... they usually still work. It's just that, once the novelty has word off, they don't "spark joy" in the user. The only way to get another thrill of enjoyment is to buy something else that is new. This isn't crazy, but it's a very different approach than carefully picking out something that is perfect (from your perspective), sinking the requisite money into it, and then scratching the itch such that it stays scratched.

I was once an avid golfer. I bought a fair number of sets of irons, averaging a new set about every 2 years, going with whatever was new and interesting. I enjoyed all these sets when I first got them (otherwise I wouldn't have bought them), but in a year or two I'd be looking for new sticks. Then I went to see a real club-fitter (sort of the equivalent of a custom gunsmith) - not the dude working at a big box store who "fits" clubs, but a true master of the craft. He had retired from the Air Force as the chief mechanic on Air Force One... this was a guy who more than dabbled in precision. I had him build me a set of irons. They cost more than buying a new set off the rack.

That was 15 years ago. I haven't even had the impulse to buy a new set since then. I'm not saying I have resisted buying other irons... I'm saying I am not interested in new irons. There's no self-control involved, I literally don't have any interest in getting other sticks. My only worry is how I will replace them when the grooves are finally worn totally flat.

Is it worth taking that approach across the board? No. And it's not even possible for people who either don't have enough experience to have well-defined and fully-matured preferences/tastes, nor is it financially feasible for people at all points in time. But I can tell you my golfing buddies who stuck with the new-sticks-every-18-months have spent a HELL of a lot more money on irons than I have. And I still think mine are nicer.
 
460Shooter said:
I think it's just the price that kind of miffs most folks. There's a lot of us that have absolutely no way to afford a gun like that, and since it isn't an option, it's easy to be very dismissive.

I could buy one, but it would be the most irresponsible financial decision I'd ever make. At this point I'm ecstatic that my career has progressed far enough that $2000 pistols are now a possibility. However those are going to be few and far between. The FK BRNO is an interesting gun though.
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Well if they’re worth a good deal more than that a decade from now, it won’t be so irresponsible. :)
 
I'd think the FN57 would qualify. A very flat shooting round.

Does anyone know if 10mm had been necked down to 30 or 22cal? That'd be a "poor man's" field pistol for sure.
 
gotboostvr said:
I'd think the FN57 would qualify. A very flat shooting round.

Does anyone know if 10mm had been necked down to 30 or 22cal? That'd be a "poor man's" field pistol for sure.
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Yeah, they could call it a 10-22. Thats not taken is it? Id imagine a 10mm necked down to 22 would be a screamer, 9x25 dillon is 10mm necked to .356 and its pretty fast.
 
bc1023 said:
357 Sig and the Tok round are good for about half the energy of the 7.5 BRNO.

It’s an incredible pistol. I’m always amazed how many people judge it without ever even seeing one in person. :)

It’s all good though.
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With modern powders, 7.62x25 can be pushed to 1800 fps without much issue. I've seen max loads that hit 1900. I wouldn't be surprised if a certain Clark Magnuson has some ideas about exceeding that. Not bad for a $200 pistol.

Grizzly has a 90 grain .357 Sig load at 1850. Surplus .357 Sigs can sometimes be had in the $300 range.

The FK BRNO better be an incredible pistol; it's $8000. For $8000, I would be disappointed it wasn't the best pistol ever made.

Eight. Thousand. Dollars.

That costs twice as much as my car. If I wanted to buy one, I might have to sell my car.

As far as I can tell, there isn't a single one in my state. I don't want to drive for a week straight, so I would probably have to buy a plane ticket to go see one.

And then there's 9x25 Dillion. A converted pistol should be under a grand. You could probably get trigger work or maybe SBR it, and still be under 1/8 the price of an FK.
 
kozak6 said:
With modern powders, 7.62x25 can be pushed to 1800 fps without much issue. I've seen max loads that hit 1900. I wouldn't be surprised if a certain Clark Magnuson has some ideas about exceeding that. Not bad for a $200 pistol.

Grizzly has a 90 grain .357 Sig load at 1850. Surplus .357 Sigs can sometimes be had in the $300 range.

The FK BRNO better be an incredible pistol; it's $8000. For $8000, I would be disappointed it wasn't the best pistol ever made.

Eight. Thousand. Dollars.

That costs twice as much as my car. If I wanted to buy one, I might have to sell my car.

As far as I can tell, there isn't a single one in my state. I don't want to drive for a week straight, so I would probably have to buy a plane ticket to go see one.

And then there's 9x25 Dillion. A converted pistol should be under a grand. You could probably get trigger work or maybe SBR it, and still be under 1/8 the price of an FK.
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Well, all the people trying to decide between an FK BRNO and a $200 Tok should read your post first so they don't waste $7800. ;)

Price is relative. Honestly, I've got quite a few handguns that cost me a good deal more. Yes it’s expensive and not for everyone. However, it performs as well as any handgun I've ever owned and greatly outperforms most, especially at longer distances. Its a work of art with awesome performance. Whether or not its worth the money is up to the individual. However, FK BRNO has basically sold every one they made. I hope they keep production numbers way down, so it has a better chance of going way up in value. I was thinking of getting another and leaving it unfired, in fact.
 
kozak6 said:
The FK BRNO better be an incredible pistol; it's $8000. For $8000, I would be disappointed it wasn't the best pistol ever made.

Eight. Thousand. Dollars.
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One of the strangest phenomenons in the gun business.. High-end Rifles can cost tens of thousands of dollars and up into the 6 figures. High-end Shotguns can reach 6 figures and beyond. Yet high-end pistols are almost expected to be cheap no matter what. Boggles the mind.
 
The only field that I get on has paper or steel targets and a guy with a scorecard. Gun selection is based on the rules and the challenges.
If I were fishing, camping, or stringing fences, I would want a "field pistol" for protection against animals or rural felons.
 
tarosean said:
One of the strangest phenomenons in the gun business.. High-end Rifles can cost tens of thousands of dollars and up into the 6 figures. High-end Shotguns can reach 6 figures and beyond. Yet high-end pistols are almost expected to be cheap no matter what. Boggles the mind.
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I agree. I find it amusing, actually.

I just have to laugh sometimes
 
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