New Pedersoli Colt Revolvers?

Haven’t see this in any of the above posts, so, one has to consider the market. Perhaps Europeans will spend that sort of money on a cap and ball, IMO because that’s what they are allowed to buy. In this country not many gun enthusiasts, beyond us black power nuts, are going to shell out the high dollars for cap guns when for those same dollars they could have any number of modern high power pistols or revolvers. The American market for cap guns is limited, regardless of price, compared to the rim and center fire market.

I would certainly like to see one of the Pedersoli revolvers so I could decide whether to buy one; whether it's worth the $$$$$.
I have a couple of their single shot pistols and am happy enough with them.

TheOutlawKid said:

Mr.stormson are you talking about the photo i posted? I got it from the website that was posted in the original first post.
https://www.armurerie-lavaux.com/ar...re-Noire-PEDERSOLI-COLT-1861-Navy-cal.36.html

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No, the side by side that expat posted with that totally tore up looking Pietta... The new stuff from them is nothing like that, in fact its either one of the VERY early ones or one that somebody abused terribly. Possibly a really crappy kit build? I dont know, but the fit and finish on the newer Piettas is actually really nice...And most important, they actually WORK right out of the box without having to spend as much as the gun itself costs to have it work right, or spend valuable hours, days (years?) fiddling around in your shop with it. That thing posted in the side by side picture looks like something someone found in a trash bin... Doesnt look anything like modern Piettas look... Expat does a lot of really cool stuff with Piettas, so I imagine he can attest to that as well...

As for the price thing... I imagine its actually worth it if one is that big into the BP scene... I just cant see it myself. Buddy of mine bought a Philippine made 1911 that was pretty nice and actually came with a lot of the bells and whistles of a custom job as standard... He paid $300 for it very lightly used. Shrugs...

woodnbow said:

I’d like to try the checkered grip before I spent the coin...

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The Uberti "Patron" SAA has a grip that is press-checkered and it is useful for stabilizing the revolver in single hand shooting. I imagine the Pedersoli pistol would share this benefit and possibly also annoy the daylights out of those who are used to a smooth grip.
There could be some pretty good online arguments coming soon...shrugs...
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Mr. Stormson thanks for clearing that up. I was confused for a minute thinking i may have posted a pic that wasnt what its claiming to be...i had gotten it from the french website so i was hoping i didnt accidentally post a pic of a pietta that they may use as a generic pic for any and all 1861's no matter the brand...it made me to a double take. Speaking of pietta...their qualities been getting better and better...especially their current line of "old silver" all steel (backstrap and trigger guard too)...even their screws and internals seem to be of better quality and are timed to perfection...i think they are assembled by the more tenured and experienced employees who pay attention to detail as any flaw will show on an unblued shiny in the white gun. I usually have to tweak my guns a little...but all the ones ive handled dated 2017 and 2018 are of amazing quality. They have .0015-.0025 cylinder gap and are all very tight. In my opinion theyre a step above the standard piettas. If any of you guys/gals have a chance to check them out in person i highly recomend you do.

I guess because they started out cheap, people think replica percussion revolvers should forever be cheap. Not me. While I don't shoot percussion revolvers enough to justify spending a lot on one gun, I would gladly spend $2000 for a very well made Colt cartridge conversion replica. Something along the lines of the domestic USFA's.

I've never liked the Colt style percussion revolvers, I don't shoot them as good as the Remington NMA's. All I want is for someone to make repros of the 5 shot, .36 caliber New Model Police. IMO, there aren't enough 5 shot percussion revolvers in "serious" calibers. Sure, there are .31's, but those are extremely weak and conical bullets/molds for .31 aren't easy to find. The .36 you can find them easy. If Pedersoli ends up being the company to give me what I want, I have no problem paying the Pedersoli price for them.

To build on the comment that Europeans are willing to pay more for percussion guns... that's true in some countries, I read that Poland has a substantial black powder community as muzzleloaders, cap & ball, and replicas made before 1885 are not subject to any regulations. Great Gun in Czech Republic make an over/under percussion derringer in a variety of calibers (one being .54 ) and they're apparently popular enough that the company makes them in a variety of barrel lengths too.

So, the market is definitely there for smaller, lighter black powder handguns. I would think by now the prospect of a smaller, lighter 5 shot 1858 style revolver would get a lot of support, but none of the manufacturers seem interested.

How the Colt 1862 exists beats me, my guess is because it uses the same frame as the 1849 does, that's the reason Uberti offers them. All it takes is a different cylinder and barrel.

Black powder shooting is very popular over in Europe. Been there, shot against them. But you have to remember that the MLAIC events are their black powder shooting. Which means revolvers that are correct replicas of original arms. And yes, the guns are checked at major matches.

I'll add that if you want a gun that shoots straight, and isn't going to demand a lot of gunsmithing, it's going to cost you. No Bucks, No Buck Rogers. And the standard of competition at a major shoot over there is incredibly high.

I have met some european black powder shooters...they are very much into the sport and the whole western genre. Some germans i knew were so into it they would have private parties where they would all dress up in western or civil war garb, have some drinks, and cook out... and it wasnt considered a "costume" party...they would treat it as a serious party. They explained to me how a lot of germans and the french see the american civil war, they dont see it as it taught in our american schools where the "rightious" north fights the "evil" south over slavery...they mainly cheered for the south as an under dog who was being bullied by the union states and that the south stood up and put up a good fight against an invading force who was just trying to steal land and resources. I was really surprised when different groups of europeans has the same outlook. They also would tease me and say "ahh americans!...you use too much powder in your loads! Very wasteful! I never put more than 12-18 grains in any of my revolvers!" ...they use a lot of filler. They also have a lot more variety of models and finishes to choose from pietta and uberti. Theyre big on paper cartridges and mods for nipples that shoot 209 primers, 22 blanks to light powder or shoot rubber bullets etc.

Got this answer from the Hungarian guy that does Capandball You tubes. I had asked how close were these to originals.
Dear Dave, most of its parts are made by Uberti. Firing is better, action is polished, but no significant differences.
As Uberti is pretty close to the original, the same goes for the Pedersoli version.

44 Dave, thanks for getting us that info. Im sure a lot of us were wondering about its fit compared to originals and other manufacturers models.

That would make sense, given the price point.

The Uberti connection probably goes way back. My Euroarms Remington (manufactured by Armi San Paolo in 1987) has a lot of parts that interchange with my Uberti Remington. There's no reason such a relationship would not continue after Euroarms was acquired by Pedersoli.

When comparing prices now to the "GOOD OLD DAYS," we must remember that the US dollar is not what it used to be!
In December of 1979, EMF was selling an 1851 Navy for $110.
That would be $385.15 in 2019 dollars*.
Today EMF is only asking $325 for one**.
The problem is that our income has not kept up.
I was making $9000 a year in 1976 as a new teacher and bought a new Impala for just over $2000 or about 1/4 my yearly income.
Today a new impala costs between $28000 and $38000***.
Four times that is between $112000 and $152000.
That is what a new teacher would have to be making to have kept up with inflation.
New teachers in Ohio now start at an average of $35,923 a year****.
Compared to the cost of a new Impala, new teachers have had their pay cut to 25% of what it was in in 1976.
The last half century has not treated wage earners very well!
Only the top .01% in this country have kept ahead of inflation.
How have starting salaries in your lines of work fared???
*
http://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1979?amount=110
**
https://www.emf-company.com/store/pc/1851-Hartford-Navy-Casehardened-Steel-36-7-1-2-110p1167.htm
***
https://www.chevrolet.com/cars/impala-full-size-car
****
http://www.nea.org/home/2017-2018-average-starting-teacher-salary.html
https://www.edsurge.com/news/2018-0...eacher-salaries-have-been-declining-for-years

Ephraim,
While I understand your sentiment, keep in mind that that the average person was very lucky to get that 1976 Impala to last for 100k miles where today, they mostly last at least 200K. Also things like tires brakes, etc. now last several time longer than they did in 1976. I don't think wages are as bad as the media keeps telling us. Most folks have so much expendable income that they own multiple cars, huge screen TVs, and piles of stuff even Kings and Queens couldn't have for any amount of money back in 1976. Look at the number of folks on this forum who have several or even dozens or more of BP revolvers, let alone other firearms.
Today's revolvers are (generally) much higher quality than what was typically available in 1976 as well you you are correct, that they are asking even less for what you get today.

Mr.Ephraim, i agree with ur post 1000%. Im one of the younger generation, im 40-50 years younger than a lot of people posting on this forum...although i was brought up with old fashioned morals, manners, and customs of the generation that lived a good 60 years ago which keeps me from fitting in with my generation and i seem to fit in with a generation now on its way out of existence..but unfortunately i live in todays world which means i live by todays inflated standards. No matter how frugal someone today can be...with a regular job its hard to be able to afford a decent home and/or car to own. Back in your days you could purchase a house with what you make in a year or two...and a decent house at that....now thar same home will cast you 4+ years wages. And a new car/truck can cost someone a year or two of wages. I feel bad for my generation...but then again i think most of the general young population that im part of is filled with a bunch of whiney, spoiled, lazy brats who only care about fads, reality tv and how much more money mommy and daddy will give them for an allowance....and their music is terrible. I just realized im a 65 year old man in a 25-30 year olds body who should have been born in the 1850s. Anyone else notice how EMF has raised their prices significantly? Just a year and a galf ago the griswold and Gunnison was 180 bucks, the london 1951 was 245 etc....cabelas and others have either stayed the same or raised very little. Old south firearms now seems to be one of stores with the best prices...even if you have to pay shipping and they have great service too. Emf has great service too...but i wonder why such the steep price hike..a lot of their models went up 120+ dollars within the last year.

Prices going up has a lot to do with the rate of currency exchange.

Kevin

One thing to note. I don't know whether this would apply to the pistol grips or not, but on all the long guns and single shot pistols that Pedersoli makes, if the particular model is based on a US made original, they go to the extra trouble and expense to use American black walnut, which they have to import from the US. That's one reason other Pedersoli's repro's cost a bit more. Uberti, Pietta, and Chiappa all use European walnut, which they stain to replicate American walnut. Pedrersoli also uses American tiger stripe maple for some of their Pennsylvania and Hawkin styles.

I learned this fact from a video tour of the Pedersoli factory that I found on Youtube at some point. If may have been one done by the
Youtuber who goes by "Cap & Ball"

Cheers

Mr. Forward observer, thanks for the info...that will make a difference in quality considering some manufacturers are lacking quality in that dept. I love pietta, but a couple of the grips have been great...others were made from what seems to be the softer light weight sapwood of the tree. For example i have a grip on one of my 2017 pietta navies that is made from a light weight light colored wood (almost feels like pine) that was stained a darkish maroon to hide its true hue. I was really disapointed in it, the gun itself is great tho. Two of my piettas (2016 & 2017 manufacture date code) are made from a tight grained dark walnut...almost rosewood like...but only those two have really good quality wood grips...the other 4 (post 2016 date code) are lacking this quality. I guess its the luck of the draw. Glad pedersoli pays attention to detail in this area...ive never handled guns of that brand but it does now peek my interest.

I found the video and it was the "Cap & Ball" channel




Cheers

forward observer said:

I found the video and it was the "Cap & Ball" channel




Cheers

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He’s one of my favorite youtubers... as are Hickok45 and Paul Harrell for the modern stuff.

forward observer said:

I found the video and it was the "Cap & Ball" channel.
Cheers

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That was a fantastic video! I swear I could smell the wood sawdust during the cutting and milling sequences!

Thanks!

Jim

woodnbow said:

He’s one of my favorite youtubers...

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I know him. He's the real deal. Serious top-flight competitive shooter. Just got his doctorate in History.