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I mark my case heads with a sharpie. Been doing this since I was shooting at a public range with my m1a that launches brass into the next county. Fella was grabbing my 308 lapua brass which isn't cheap. I think a lot of the brass rats aren't doing it to reload but to sell.
 
After saving range brass for my retirement fund,:) the price of range (yellow) brass has gone down the tubes, Most scrap places do not even want it, if they do you are lucky to get .37 cents/pound!!!

There is no reason for me to pick up any brass that is not mine.
 
If someone bent near a bench where I was shooting to steal my brass...

I have not a violent heart, but my body is versed in violence, and I am burdened to punch a thief in the face to prevent the theft of my property. Be it my brass on the ground or the wallet from my pocket. The warning may be once, “that’s mine.”
 
After saving range brass for my retirement fund,:) the price of range (yellow) brass has gone down the tubes, Most scrap places do not even want it, if they do you are lucky to get .37 cents/pound!!!

There is no reason for me to pick up any brass that is not mine.

I got $1.53 a pound for the cartridge brass I took to the recycler two weeks ago, so the brass rat may be stealing it to sell, especially if he's not concerned with the calibers he's picking up.

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
On the ground and no one there it should be fair game, if your there I agree it's theft of your brass unless you tell him he can have it.
I might make a pile and coat it with pepper spray or something ?? for him.
Maybe that would give him the idea.

Talk to range Staff/Mgt maybe they can help.
 
If someone bent near a bench where I was shooting to steal my brass...

I have not a violent heart, but my body is versed in violence, and I am burdened to punch a thief in the face to prevent the theft of my property. Be it my brass on the ground or the wallet from my pocket. The warning may be once, “that’s mine.”

At the risk of sounding like an internet tough guy I'm afraid I would defend my brass that same way I would my family or my other belongings! It probably would be unpleasant for said brass thief! I would start with a warning in my best command voice to back off. I have also found that slipping your phone out and snapping a pic of the problem and sending it to someone not on site has a certain effect on trouble makers.

Admittedly I've never been in a situation where your brass was being picked up or stolen. Its been my experience that thieves and bullies love people that won't defend their selves!
 
Its been my experience that thieves and bullies love people that won't defend their selves!
BUT BUT you are shooting at the range and using live ammunition! :eek:

When a lady new to the range commented how nice and polite all the men acted, I quietly told her, "Ma'am, that's because everyone is armed". She then looked around and smiled big back at me saying, "That's so true!"
 
I frequent a public range where there can be anywhere from zero to four people on site who are there for the sole purpose of scrapping brass for about $1.00/lb locally.

**Most** of the time they are very polite and over the course of weekends, you get to know the people who are scrapping. Some are retired, unemployed, want a little extra spending money, etc. They will usually ask, "Are you keeping your brass?" It gives the shooter the ability to answer. However, if they don't ask and they are awkwardly hanging around, I clearly communicate that, "I am keeping my (enter calibers here) brass." If a person is at all reasonable, this should be enough. They usually don't know what your're shooting or even what caliber it is. They just see it as pennies and nickels on the ground.

There have been times when someone is just unreasonable - ie they are scrapping......
too close to your bench while you are shooting
behind you as you are shooting
around your bench during cease fire, while you are changing targets.

Action items:
Let's say that you have brass that you need to keep. I have a sharpie with me. I will just mark the case heads (or previously have marked them). That way if you see someone picking it up, it's as easy as, "Did you pick up my (caliber) brass? Mine are ___ headstamp and marked."

If someone is so brazen that they don't care, I would suggest one of a few things:

The first option is just give them the brass. If it's not high dollar stuff, just let them have it.

The second is to shoot something they don't want for just a little while. It's better if you don't have all your ammo laid out like a buffet. Pull it out of your bag as you use it. If someone is after your 308 Win cases, for instance, just take a break. It's a good idea to have a second gun to shoot something steel cased. You could bring out a 22LR. You could switch to a single shot, bolt action, or revolver for a string. Scrappers don't want steel casings and it takes a determined person to camp out behind you to collect your 22LR. If you start extracting your revolver cylinder directly into your bag or bucket, there are bigger fish to fry.

The third option is to slow down your semi- auto fire. Take your time and space your shots. Scrappers want to collect behind shooters doing mag dumps. Even if you're shooting once every 30 seconds, they are waiting for just one casing. There are better opportunities hawking other benches.

I haven't done this personally, but there is a "nuclear" option for "over the shoulder brass hawks." It's called a muzzle brake. If you start shooting something loud or obnoxious, where there is a concussion or gas is puffing them in the face, you have made it undesirable for someone to be there.

Lastly, collection devices. Laundry hamper, tarps, butterfly nets, gun specific case collectors. Scrappers want opportunity, if you aren't letting it hit the ground, there is no reason for them to stand around and wait for nothing. It's just that the collection devices need to be unobtrusive. The fun of shooting is testing/training or getting better at shooting. Having too much focus on collecting every last piece of your brass or being in the perfect position for it to extract into your collection device usually means that you won't have fun shooting.
 
Fortunately scrappers are not allowed at the ranges we belong to. I understand that some of us here on the THR shoot at public ranges. We did that one time and decided it was to dangerous to shoot at an unsupervised range. In my area it seems that people that shoot at public ranges have been kicked out of the supervised ranges for one reason or another. Plus I can't tolerate some one (scrappers) running around the firing line near weapons while I'm down range tending to my target. Makes me too uncomfortable.
 
I frequent a public range where there can be anywhere from zero to four people on site who are there for the sole purpose of scrapping brass for about $1.00/lb locally.

**Most** of the time they are very polite and over the course of weekends, you get to know the people who are scrapping. Some are retired, unemployed, want a little extra spending money, etc. They will usually ask, "Are you keeping your brass?" It gives the shooter the ability to answer. However, if they don't ask and they are awkwardly hanging around, I clearly communicate that, "I am keeping my (enter calibers here) brass." If a person is at all reasonable, this should be enough. They usually don't know what your're shooting or even what caliber it is. They just see it as pennies and nickels on the ground.

There have been times when someone is just unreasonable - ie they are scrapping......
too close to your bench while you are shooting
behind you as you are shooting
around your bench during cease fire, while you are changing targets.

Action items:
Let's say that you have brass that you need to keep. I have a sharpie with me. I will just mark the case heads (or previously have marked them). That way if you see someone picking it up, it's as easy as, "Did you pick up my (caliber) brass? Mine are ___ headstamp and marked."

If someone is so brazen that they don't care, I would suggest one of a few things:

The first option is just give them the brass. If it's not high dollar stuff, just let them have it.

The second is to shoot something they don't want for just a little while. It's better if you don't have all your ammo laid out like a buffet. Pull it out of your bag as you use it. If someone is after your 308 Win cases, for instance, just take a break. It's a good idea to have a second gun to shoot something steel cased. You could bring out a 22LR. You could switch to a single shot, bolt action, or revolver for a string. Scrappers don't want steel casings and it takes a determined person to camp out behind you to collect your 22LR. If you start extracting your revolver cylinder directly into your bag or bucket, there are bigger fish to fry.

The third option is to slow down your semi- auto fire. Take your time and space your shots. Scrappers want to collect behind shooters doing mag dumps. Even if you're shooting once every 30 seconds, they are waiting for just one casing. There are better opportunities hawking other benches.

I haven't done this personally, but there is a "nuclear" option for "over the shoulder brass hawks." It's called a muzzle brake. If you start shooting something loud or obnoxious, where there is a concussion or gas is puffing them in the face, you have made it undesirable for someone to be there.

Lastly, collection devices. Laundry hamper, tarps, butterfly nets, gun specific case collectors. Scrappers want opportunity, if you aren't letting it hit the ground, there is no reason for them to stand around and wait for nothing. It's just that the collection devices need to be unobtrusive. The fun of shooting is testing/training or getting better at shooting. Having too much focus on collecting every last piece of your brass or being in the perfect position for it to extract into your collection device usually means that you won't have fun shooting.
Wow, that's a lot of dancing around just to discourage a brass hog , why not just tell them to fudge off and go away :fire:.
jmo
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edit: and when going down range at a public range I always take a loaded handgun with me and keep my head on a swivel.
I would shoot even if it meant a miss would put a hole in my truck.:uhoh:
 
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I’ve had a few range rats lurk about while i am shooting. I’m like the others who let the rat know that I am reloading my own ammo and I’m taking my brass home with me.

So far all has been ok, they got the hint.

As for Mungo Jerry who is taking stuff while you’re shooting, that buffoon needs to be booted out of the club pronto!

Good luck!
 
I don't shoot at gun clubs, to much action for me. The past two year I have been taking my grandson out shooting almost every weekend from spring until the snow comes un in the Cascade mountains. Tjese are several gravel pits that I take him to shoot at.if someone is there I will go to another spot to shoot. There are brass whores out here that spend their whole day' seven days a week going from pit to pit to pit and them make the rounds again and again picking any brass cases that were left. I have never had any of them encroah me while shooting.
I reload and pick all my brass up as well as any other brass left behind from other shooters. I leave the 22 brass for the scrappers .
Here locally yellow brass is 90 cents a pound, a five gallon bucket will weigh about fifty pounds so they are getting about $45 for the fifty pounds of brass.
The scrap yard they take it to well sell you the brass cases for $75. I never bought anyn but have thought about it just to see if i could sort it and get it backin to use agan then take the garbage brass back in for scrape.
The best scrap brass pick up day for us was twenty-two pounds of range brass left by other people.

Every trip out shooting i pick up the garbage shotgun hulls and steel rifle & pistol cases to throughin the garbage. I have picked up truck loads of these over the last two years.
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Every weekend there is more to pick up.
To bad it all wasn't brassn i would be buying more revolvers if it were.

As far as the original post, i would confront this person and may the best, strongest person prevail.
 
George P has the right idea. I don't know all the details but if you already spoke to him anything else might be considered "assault" or harassment. (But if he was "weeding" in front on the firing line I might put a few rounds down range near him "Oops, sorry"...). When I see brass on the ground, I'm looking at nice shiny dimes, and my processed, once fired brass is more like a quarter!

I was shooting one time when a brass thief picked up some of my 30-06 brass tossed out by my Garand. I mentioned, "I reload those and pick them up for myself". I guess he didn't hear me so I went to his "area" and dug all the 30-06 brass from his range box. Never saw him again (but I had my 1911 on my side, in open view...).
 
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There was only one time when I thought someone was trying to steal my brass. A guy in the lane to my right had swept up all of my brass (and his too, he was actually shooting). I mentioned to him that I reload and wanted to save my brass, and he promptly apologized and gave me all of the brass including his! He even swept up more of his brass and dumped it into my bag as he was leaving.

The ranges where I shoot are pay-to-play, so I guess that cuts down on the brass vultures.
 
I mentioned to him that I reload and wanted to save my brass, and he promptly apologized and gave me all of the brass including his! He even swept up more of his brass and dumped it into my bag as he was leaving
I found many people shooting at public ranges to think cleaning up after shooting means collecting all the spent brass and tossing them in the trash. :eek:

When I mention that brass can be reused to reload, they will happily let me have their spent brass or even help collect to give to me. :thumbup:

In return, I promptly offer them to shoot my pistols and reloads and have made many new friends and students of point shooting.
 
I mark all my primers with the brightest, most obnoxiois color nail polish so it can be seen from a distance. Have not yet met a brass hog where I shoot. I always ask anyone shooting my kind of brass, if they reload. What happens to their brass depends on their answer. If we both reload, usually we help each other police up, separating each others brass. Other empty positions; brass is fair game. I have no problem telling others "Thank you for helping pick up my brass", then reclaiming it.
 
Had a similar situation at a range I use. An older guy doing nothing but picking up brass. After he had cleared other areas he came up behind me and started picking up my brass! I was stunned but yelled out "That's my brass and there is about 100 rounds laying there and if any is missing I will call the Range Manager and also the police, I have told you its mine and now if you walk away with it, It will be theft! He gave me a song and dance story about the Range manager had given him the OK. I asked the range masters name and he didn't know it, I did! . Needless to say, he finally handed my brass back as I started to dial my phone! As he walked away, I told him if I ever see you here again, you will be removed! He scuttled off really fast cussing me out, I didn't care. I had my brass!
 
I'm glad I only go to ranges that don't allow scrappers. I would hate to get into a confrontation with a scrounger trying to steal from me.
 
I've never had it get heated, worst someone says is "me too" and then we have to struggle to keep 'em separate.

I honestly can't imagine telling an adult man to his face "That's mine actually" and then him just ignoring me and stealing it? I dunno what I'd do tbh, but I doubt it would be pleasant...
 
Very simply, get a bunch of other pissed off members to sign a request to the management to halt this behavior. I don't know what the laws are in your state or locality, but the brass is still yours until you abandon it.

I don't know what caliber you are shooting or if you hand load or want your brass for a scrap sale in bulk, but I would be ****ed if I put time and effort into annealing, sizing, chamfering, skimming, pocket uniforming and cleaning, measuring and whatever else I need to do in prep before dropping powder and seating bullets
 
I have seldom had such trouble.
Of three regular ranges hereabouts, one has no set policy, I pick up everything I load or can swap.
The others say I can recover my own, but what Joe Popanddrop leaves goes to the house.
I don't pick up stuff I can't use for scrap, although I did donate several years' worth of primers to a guy who does.
 
I know what the scrounge is doing, I just said I would be more than annoyed if he swooped up my brass that I spent time preparing.
 
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