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Id like to hear from the fans...

I already own a 270 and a .30-06. Other than the valid and obvious answer: ‘you always need a new rifle!’ Why should I get a .280.

The other answer to this question, and the real reason I’m asking it, is because a friend no longer needs it and, we’ll, it is his and it is cool and because I don’t own a 7mm.

Thanks Greg
 
Do you reload? The .280 is an excellent cartridge to reload. Tons of 7mm bullets out there. If thats not enough for ya, just pick it up to have something different at deer camp :cool:. Tell everyone it's a 7mm Remington Express.

What's the rifle?
 
Mn Fats said:
Do you reload? The .280 is an excellent cartridge to reload. Tons of 7mm bullets out there. If thats not enough for ya, just pick it up to have something different at deer camp :cool:.

What's the rifle?
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IDK yet.
Hoping to see it tonight.
Also not sure how much he will ask...
So many Q’s.
But it is a friend. He is done hunting. His kids don’t like shooting/hunting...So...
Greg
 
280 great bullet selection, little ammo selection.

270 great ammo selection, not as much bullet selection.

I’ve always thought the 280 should be what the 270 is. I do love the 280AI, I’m planning a precision rifle around the cartridge. Still, I’d opt out of 280 unless you reload, or don’t mind ordering ammo online and it costing more
 
The .280 Rem. is one of my favorite cartridges for deer, but for deer sized animals, it has no magic over a 270 or 30-06. I have taken white and blk. tailed deer, blk. bear and caribou with mine..

I see no need to make it an AI, as if you need more than a std. 280, you need something other than a 280 AI.!!

DM
 
For argument’s sake: what is the performance benefit of making it AI.

This seems a contentious question. The last time I asked it I got shouted down ‘Ackley was working in an era where we needed it...don’t need it anymore’. I know that is just opinion, but if you know (I’m at work shouldn’t even be doing this) how much benefit would it give me and what should I expect to pay to have it done???

Greg
 
DM~ said:
The .280 Rem. is one of my favorite cartridges for deer, but for deer sized animals, it has no magic over a 270 or 30-06. I have taken white and blk. tailed deer, blk. bear and caribou with mine..

I see no need to make it an AI, as if you need more than a std. 280, you need something other than a 280 AI.!!

DM
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The benefits of the AI allow less brass flow which is great for the handloader. And it really does allow for a hotter cartridge. Most important to me is it gets the really heavy high BC bullets up to an acceptable stable velocity that the standard 280 otherwise could not.
 
less bolt thrust to, all the AI me and my dad had(we have had many) all shot the standard cartridge very well and with out losing much fps over the normal chambering. better brass life, almost no need to trim after firing. less throat erosion to. there are a few more things to, most of all who would not want ackley improved on there gun.
 
There is no practical reason in 2019 to own a 30-06, 270 and 280. Pick ONE. Choose ammo appropriate for the game hunted and go kill stuff. In the 1930's they loads were much different. There isn't enough difference to matter in trajectory between 30-06/150's at 3050 fps, 270/130's at 3050 fps, or 280/140's at 3050 fps. On bigger game you get the same penetration with 30-06/180's, 270/150's, and 7mm 160's. If you want to shoot really heavy bullets a 7mm/175 does exactly the same thing as 30-06/200. OK, the 270 doesn't have an answer for heavier bullets, but not people NEED anything that heavy in 27, 28 or 30 caliber. Those who do tend to go to a larger caliber anyway.

what is the performance benefit of making it AI.
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It gets performance a little closer to 7mm Rem mag. But even the 7mm Rem mag's advantages over 270 or 30-06 is hair splitting. 30-06 shoots the same bullet weights as 7 mag to the same speeds at the muzzle. The only difference is better BC in 7mm with same bullet weights which mean slightly better performance down range.

On paper the 280 comes out a hair better than either. In the real world no game animal will ever notice and the trajectories are too close give an edge to either. I've had several 280's over the years. I do like the round, but can't justify keeping a 280 AND a 30-06. My 30-06 rifles have too much history to let go, so it was the 280's that went down the road. Had it not been for that history I'd have sold the 30-06's and kept the 280's. At my age I'm going to finish my hunting and shooting career with what I have. But if I were younger and looking to have a custom rifle built it would be in 280. And the 270's and 30-06's would have to go down the road.
 
ExAgoradzo said:
For argument’s sake: what is the performance benefit of making it AI.

This seems a contentious question. The last time I asked it I got shouted down ‘Ackley was working in an era where we needed it...don’t need it anymore’. I know that is just opinion, but if you know (I’m at work shouldn’t even be doing this) how much benefit would it give me and what should I expect to pay to have it done???

Greg
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Better brass life is the primary reason. It gives you a velocity boost that may it may not be needed.
 
I understand the 280 Remington is the favorite cartridge of Steve Hornady. I have a pre 64 Model 70 Winchester action and stock that is just waiting for a new barrel. I first considered a 280 Ackley but have changed my mind to a standard 280 Remington. I don't need the dang thing since I already own 25-06, 270 Win, 30-06 and 338-06 but it just sounds fun to do another project. I want to use a Bartlein barrel with a 1:9 5R twist. Still doing research and I hope it won't be too long before I make the decision.
 
jmr40 nailed it.

It's an excellent round, but where I hunt and the distance I'm comfortable with pulling the trigger, the deer won't notice if they've been hit by a 243, 270, 280, '06, 308, or even the almighty Creedmoor. If I was buying a 280 Rem, I wouldn't really be buying it for the cartridge, I'd be after the rifle it happened to be chambered in.
 
I like it but really only because I fell into it with a few uncommon rifles at great prices. I have a Rem 7400 and Rem 7600 in .280.

I think the best virtue of the .280 Rem is the ability to AI it. I want to do this to my 7600 whenever it becomes a priority. I will probably sell the 7400 after I am done messing with it.

It is fun to say you shoot a .280 because a lot of people have never heard of it. Then you tell them it’s a 7mm and they will quit listening.

There is no way the .280 in regular form is any better than .270, 7mm-08, 30-06, .308, etc. I even use my 30-06 7600 more often. However, the .280 AI is reputed to get close to 7mm Mag performance with considerably less recoil.

Worth having IMO to round out a collection. Even better if you already handload. .280 is the reason I got into loading because ammo availability is scarce offline. Still only load for .280 and .44 Mag.
 
I had a stainless Ruger 77 in .280 Rem for a while and I really liked that caliber. If Tikka made a .280 Rem or .280 AI chambering that would be my go-to elk rifle.
 
.284 was obsolete the day .277 was invented. I mean everybody can see it. Right? .277 >>> .284. From the same case.
 
ExAgoradzo said:
For argument’s sake: what is the performance benefit of making it AI.

This seems a contentious question. The last time I asked it I got shouted down ‘Ackley was working in an era where we needed it...don’t need it anymore’. I know that is just opinion, but if you know (I’m at work shouldn’t even be doing this) how much benefit would it give me and what should I expect to pay to have it done???

Greg[/QUOTE

The 280AI is SAMMI Spec and there is loading data from Nosler,Hodgdon,Hornady and Barnes. and I think Sierra has some. That be your best source IMHO. 280AI is no longer wildcat.
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Since you have the .280 completely bracketed with your existing .270 and .30-06 rifles, there is no real NEED to buy it.

If you WANT it, go for it. It is so versatile the .280 just may become your do-all... and the .270 and ‘06 will become expendable.

As the others stated, don’t expect to find .280 factory ammo at the same price, variety and at all the locations as your .270 and ‘06 ammo. The .280 just isn’t as popular as these two mainstays and the ammo selection isn’t great.

Hopefully it’s in your price range and you can give us a real side by side by side comparison! :thumbup:

Stay safe.
 
I copied and pasted this off of a post on another BB some time ago. .280 vs 06

30-06 150gr ENERGY
muzzle 100yds 200yds 300yds
2820 2281 1827 1445

280 150gr ENERGY
muzzle 100yds 200yds 300yds
2781 2293 1875 1518

30-06 150gr VELOCITY
muzzle 100yds 200yds 300yds
2910 2617 2342 2083

280 150gr VELOCITY
muzzle 100yds 200yds 300yds
2890 2624 2373 2135

My .280 Ruger 77. I love the rifle

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ExAgoradzo said:
For argument’s sake: what is the performance benefit of making it AI.

This seems a contentious question. The last time I asked it I got shouted down ‘Ackley was working in an era where we needed it...don’t need it anymore’. I know that is just opinion, but if you know (I’m at work shouldn’t even be doing this) how much benefit would it give me and what should I expect to pay to have it done???

Greg
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The benefit(s) are:

- 140 gr. higher BC bullets at 130 gr./270 Win. MV's for "beanfield" shooting.
- 160 gr. higher BC bullets at 150 gr./270 Win. MV's for high country Elk shooting.
- 175 gr. higher SD bullets at 180 gr./30-06 MV's for the big stuff.

Otherwise, it's just a "handload-only" .270 Win., with ten grain heavier bullets - not all that exciting.
(except for the 175 gr., but then, the .270 has a 160 gr., so...)




GR
 
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