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Riomouse911 said:
Since you have the .280 completely bracketed with your existing .270 and .30-06 rifles, there is no real NEED to buy it.
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Not necessarily. When you finally identify a favorite rifle it's often a completely different rifle than what you expected. To find that one favorite rifle you have to try several rifles and cartridges over a long period of time. For example, if you have 10 rifles that have the same exact stock, action, barrel, scope and sling there will be one in the group that works better for you than any of the others. People who shoot and hunt are always looking for that one favorite rifle and in a person't lifetime that favorite rifle will change. My favorite rifle today is not the same rifle that it was 10 years ago.
 
sage5907 said:
Not necessarily. When you finally identify a favorite rifle it's often a completely different rifle than what you expected. To find that one favorite rifle you have to try several rifles and cartridges over a long period of time. For example, if you have 10 rifles that have the same exact stock, action, barrel, scope and sling there will be one in the group that works better for you than any of the others. People who shoot and hunt are always looking for that one favorite rifle and in a person't lifetime that favorite rifle will change. My favorite rifle today is not the same rifle that it was 10 years ago.
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I was speaking more in the "NEED" as in "to hunt elk/moose/pronghorn I will NEED to use XX caliber"...since I don't know what make/model of rifles he has already (nor do I know the make/model of the .280) and all three calibers overlap each other so much. There really isn't a whole lot one of these cartridges can do that the others can't, especially since he has the larger and smaller bores in his quiver already. :)

Now for "need", as in "I need to try that one out so I'll buy it? Absolutely! I'll never discourage anyone from buying a gun, whether new to them or new in the box...even if they have 6 of the same ones already :thumbup:. Nothing is better than that first shot with a new toy. If the price (or nostalgia) is right for the OP, go for it.

I have lots of guns that overlap...not to the extent the .270, .280 and .30-06 do, but with a .243, 6.5x55, .270, 7mm Rem Mag they're pretty close. And they're of different bolt styles (M77 RSI, CZ 550 American, Straight-pull Mauser 96 American, and a Win M-70), not just different calibers, so I can really tailor the gun to my mood and to the game I'm intending to chase.

Stay safe!
 
So, sadly NFS...

Alas.

But the situation has not changed. I imagine one day it will be.

The most important factor for me is the person who owns it. Of course, I already have what I ‘need’. But several of my rifles are NFS until my sons get them. Then they can do what they want because either they won’t know who I got them from or they have enough.

Greg
 
ExAgoradzo said:
Id like to hear from the fans...

I already own a 270 and a .30-06. Other than the valid and obvious answer: ‘you always need a new rifle!’ Why should I get a .280.

The other answer to this question, and the real reason I’m asking it, is because a friend no longer needs it and, we’ll, it is his and it is cool and because I don’t own a 7mm.

Thanks Greg
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Brain fodder:
*If you want a rifle with a cartridge that you can't trade-in EVER, get a .280.
*If you want to need to handload for any decent ammo for hunting with a cartridge, get a .280 Rem.
*If you don't think your existing .270 Win, or .30-06 won't do what you need them to do and are willing to risk that the .280 will be the gift from the Ballistics God, get a .280 Rem.
*If you have gun money in your pocket and you just NEED to buy something that you want to keep for the rest of your life (or have it re-barreled when you're tired of it), by all means get a .280 Rem, because you've already got your mind made up and nobody can change it, nor would we want to. :)
 
Riomouse911 said:
I was speaking more in the "NEED" as in "to hunt elk/moose/pronghorn I will NEED to use XX caliber"...since I don't know what make/model of rifles he has already (nor do I know the make/model of the .280) and all three calibers overlap each other so much. There really isn't a whole lot one of these cartridges can do that the others can't, especially since he has the larger and smaller bores in his quiver already. :)

Now for "need", as in "I need to try that one out so I'll buy it? Absolutely! I'll never discourage anyone from buying a gun, whether new to them or new in the box...even if they have 6 of the same ones already :thumbup:. Nothing is better than that first shot with a new toy. If the price (or nostalgia) is right for the OP, go for it.

I have lots of guns that overlap...not to the extent the .270, .280 and .30-06 do, but with a .243, 6.5x55, .270, 7mm Rem Mag they're pretty close. And they're of different bolt styles (M77 RSI, CZ 550 American, Straight-pull Mauser 96 American, and a Win M-70), not just different calibers, so I can really tailor the gun to my mood and to the game I'm intending to chase.

Stay safe!
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Oh, I somehow forgot the .257 Roberts in a 721 Remington, another rifle in my roof-shingle overlap category... I will stand with my nose in the corner in shame for forgetting the ‘Bob...:(
 
The only long action I still have in my safe is a 1960's vintage Remington 700 ADL in 7mm Remington Magnum that I inherited from my deceased father-in-law. I won't part with it because of its sentimental value. I do, on occasion, think about having it re-barreled. If I ever do, it will be in .280 Ackley.

But others have said it. No need for a .270 and a .280 and a .30-06. As a reloader, of the options I would buy a .280, ream it to .280 Ackley Improved, lose the .270 and .30-06, and be happy.
 
Legionnaire said:
The only long action I still have in my safe is a 1960's vintage Remington 700 ADL in 7mm Remington Magnum that I inherited from my deceased father-in-law. I won't part with it because of its sentimental value. I do, on occasion, think about having it re-barreled. If I ever do, it will be in .280 Ackley.
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You do realize that the 7 Rem. Mag. uses a different bolt than the 280, don't you?? The mag. bolt face is bigger...

With heavy bullets, the 7 Rem. Mag. shines pretty big over the 280AI, and I think re-bbl. to 280 would be throwing money away, anyway...

DM
 
Yes, which is part of the reason I'm not seriously considering a change. I'd like to keep it "Dad's gun."

My main point was that if I were buying "one long action," it would be a .280 Ackley. Since I already have a long action--and it's a 7mm to boot--I'm not likely to make a change. It's on my to do list to work up some milder loads for the 7mm for when I don't need magnum power.
 
Legionnaire said:
Yes, which is part of the reason I'm not seriously considering a change. I'd like to keep it "Dad's gun."

My main point was that if I were buying "one long action," it would be a .280 Ackley. Since I already have a long action--and it's a 7mm to boot--I'm not likely to make a change. It's on my to do list to work up some milder loads for the 7mm for when I don't need magnum power.
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make it 7mm sharp & hart.
 
ExAgoradzo said:
For argument’s sake: what is the performance benefit of making it AI.
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From what I can tell by looking at the loading manuals the 280 AI is about 100 fps faster than the standard 280. That doesn't seem to be much advantage when you really think about it and that's why I've changed my mind to building a standard 280 Remington. I have a 338-06 in the A-Square version and I really like it and have not plans to change it to the AI version. I once owned a 25-06 with a 40 degree shoulder and I didn't like it at all because it was really prone to case neck splitting. I probably could have helped the problem if I would have annealed the case necks. That was in my early days of reloading using Lake City Match brass and loading at the top of the chart. I flattened lots of primers but I never blew a primer.
 
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I do not currently own either a 30-06 or a 280 but I do have several 270's so the only one of the two I would buy would be the larger caliber. But if I didn't have any 270's either, then for me it would be a toss up between the 280 and the 30-06. 30-06 has a track record that is hard to argue with though. Maybe with modern bullets, the 280 has gained some relevance. And I would have no use for an AI version, since I already have the 270 WSM.
I think all these cartridges are great, nothing wrong at all with any of them.
 
I have a soft spot for the .280 Rem, maybe because I killed my first deer with one. It was a piece of junk NEF Handi Rifle that had awful headspace issues and would often produce complete headspace separation after only one reload.

Hated the rifle and traded it off, but love the caliber. I want to get a nice bolt action in .280 and eventually will. My main deer rifle is a .30-06 and I know full well that there isn't a deer that I could kill with one but not the other. But that's really not a factor in my mind when I want a gun.

But don't take my word for it. My family has several 20 gauges and 12 gauges, and yet I am a fan of the 16 gauge. So what do I know?
 
Arkansas Paul said:
I have a soft spot for the .280 Rem, maybe because I killed my first deer with one. It was a piece of junk NEF Handi Rifle that had awful headspace issues and would often produce complete headspace separation after only one reload.

Hated the rifle and traded it off, but love the caliber. I want to get a nice bolt action in .280 and eventually will. My main deer rifle is a .30-06 and I know full well that there isn't a deer that I could kill with one but not the other. But that's really not a factor in my mind when I want a gun.

But don't take my word for it. My family has several 20 gauges and 12 gauges, and yet I am a fan of the 16 gauge. So what do I know?
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There is a "sweet spot" in shooting and the .280 and 16 ga. are pretty darn close for their respective jobs. I like your choices. Pity others don't agree with us as much. The .280 Rem is what the .270 should have been if Americans weren't so metric-averse at the time.
 
Riomouse911 said:
Since you have the .280 completely bracketed with your existing .270 and .30-06 rifles, there is no real NEED to buy it.

If you WANT it, go for it. It is so versatile the .280 just may become your do-all... and the .270 and ‘06 will become expendable.
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This. For most practical purposes, the .280 won't really do anything better than the rifles you already have. I wouldn't sell off a perfectly good .270 or .30-06 to replace it with a .280. However, if I were choosing between the 3, the advantages of the .280 for handloader would make it an easy choice.
 
sage5907 said:
Not necessarily. When you finally identify a favorite rifle it's often a completely different rifle than what you expected. To find that one favorite rifle you have to try several rifles and cartridges over a long period of time. For example, if you have 10 rifles that have the same exact stock, action, barrel, scope and sling there will be one in the group that works better for you than any of the others. People who shoot and hunt are always looking for that one favorite rifle and in a person't lifetime that favorite rifle will change. My favorite rifle today is not the same rifle that it was 10 years ago.
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Interesting observation. I generally agree. Many though, are looking for the next great thing and really should probably be more focused on what they already have. However, that is also the way to find that perfect/favorite gun.

My favorite gun growing up was a Rem 870 shotgun that was used for small game and deer. I eventually got an Ithaca Deerslayer for deer but still used the 870 for most of my hunting since I hunted small game more than deer. When I moved out of MI and could use a proper rifle for the first time I wanted something that was familiar so I bought a 7600 Carbine in 30-06. It was different than the 870 and Ithaca but not really.
 
ExAgoradzo said:
Id like to hear from the fans...

I already own a 270 and a .30-06. Other than the valid and obvious answer: ‘you always need a new rifle!’ Why should I get a .280.

The other answer to this question, and the real reason I’m asking it, is because a friend no longer needs it and, we’ll, it is his and it is cool and because I don’t own a 7mm.

Thanks Greg
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What you really need now?

...is a Ruger African in 9.3x62mm Mauser.
(while they are still available)

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:D




GR
 
I have a Ruger M77 in .280 and really like it.

.280 is an excellent cartridge, however it's not as common on store shelves as the .270 or the .30-06 so it really only makes sense for people who reload.

Honestly unless you need to shoot the heavy bullets like the 220gr, I think 7mm cartridges make more sense than .30 cal cartridges. Similar bullet weights but the 7mm has better ballistic coefficient
 
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