"My Son Died by Gunfire, But I Bought a Gun"

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Interesting opinion piece from a father who lost his son to a school shooting, but takes up shooting. He says his reasoning is that pro-gun people always accuse anti-gun people of knowing nothing about guns and shooting. Yes, we've all said that at one time or another.

He gets into shooting, takes tactical classes, hears lectures on sheep and sheepdogs, talks to experts.

I'm not going to be a spoiler on this, it's an interesting read and I'll let you observe his final mind set and conclusions. Worth taking a look.....

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/01/...l?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
 
I have never understood the mindset of blaming the device for a tragedy. It is completely irrational in every instance except firearms. Do we blame the planes for 9/11? No. We blame terrorists. Do we blame pressure cookers for the Boston marathon bombing? No. We blame terrorists. Do we blame guns for the Las Vegas shooting? Yes.

One of my soldiers committed suicide a few years ago. Shot himself with his Sig P220. I never once have said or thought "If he didn't have that gun, he would be alive today." If anything I tried getting the Sig turned over to me, which his mother refused. She knows I blame myself for his death and didn't want me to have such a tangible reminder. Whether he had a firearm or not would not have saved him. Another soldier of mine had a much harder life after leaving the military. Domestic violence got his firearms taken away with very little chance of them returning. He was found dead from a drug overdose instead of a bullet wound.
 
Well, I just skimmed along since it's a small novel of a story but I guess he familiarized himself with firearms, developed an appreciation and even started to enjoy shooting. He then moved on from the 'guns are evil dogma'

I think the reason a lit of the anti gun debate is so radical is to keep many people away from the firearms as whole because once a person becomes familiar with firearms they no longer fear them but rather they understand they are simply a tool.

To people who understand firearms many of these gun control debates seem borderline insane.
 
Well, I just skimmed along since it's a small novel of a story but I guess he familiarized himself with firearms, developed an appreciation and even started to enjoy shooting. He then moved on from the 'guns are evil dogma'

I think the reason a lit of the anti gun debate is so radical is to keep many people away from the firearms as whole because once a person becomes familiar with firearms they no longer fear them but rather they understand they are simply a tool.

To people who understand firearms many of these gun control debates seem borderline insane.
You can't have a rational discussion with people who don't know what they are talking about. The 2nd amendment is a right and there is no debate to be had about it.
 
Want to discuss the content of the article? If you don't want to read it and 'contribute' to the Times, we get it. Don't need more of that.
Having nuanced conversations as from this author, if you disagree or not, are a good thing rather than the usual rants.
 
Interesting piece. Author loses a son to a violent criminal, eventually takes up shooting. He admits that his past advocacy was fruitless, and seems to have developed a better understanding of the two sides. Peripherally references the 2nd Amendment, but does not evidence that he understands that its purpose is to prevent a monopoly of power by the government. He does, however, seem to have made a real effort at understanding the other side.
 
I have never understood the mindset of blaming the device for a tragedy.


My baby brother was murdered via gun. My parents have that same mindset, while I have never blamed the "gun".. I think you have to walk a mile in their shoes to get it..
 
It is an interesting article about the father’s journey after his son’s death. He ends up owning a gun and enjoying shooting but still is an advocate for reducing gun violence— but he’s not sure how to do that anymore. He seems to understand that the gun is not the problem yet he’s not sure how to approach the real problem— a cultural change that glorifies violence through media and influences our children.
 
I appreciate those who gave a synopsis of the article.

I have seen many people, after an initial chance to go shooting, come to realize it is enjoyable.

However, one needs to be open minded enough to even try, much less admit it.
 
Gregory Gibson said:
As I drove, I thought about the ground I’d covered since deciding to become a gun owner. I’d assumed that my experiences along the way would lead to a deeper understanding of gun violence in America and that I would emerge at the end of my journey a more effective advocate of gun safety. I was therefore surprised to discover that in a certain sense, I hadn’t made any progress at all. I’d started out believing that giving guns to teachers was a bad idea, and here I was, driving down Interstate 95 thinking that there were things we could do to make schools safer but that giving guns to teachers was not one of them. I’d stumbled around in a circle and come right back to where I’d started.

Now, though, the wrongness of arming teachers was more than a mere notion. I’d tested my ideas with help from Jerry, Colonel Grossman, Mr. Meeks, Dr. McGee, Secretary DeVos and President Trump. (I’d been enraged by his “practically for free” statement about school safety. Only later did I realize how that rage had propelled me.) I’d also tested my theories with all the people I’d spoken with at gun shows, the gun shop clerks and habitués, and my fellow trainees — as good, bad and ugly as any random lot of folks, except that many of them saw no connection between gun violence and their own interest in guns.

I considered the power of the sad story I’d shared for all those years.

All of them would agree that what happened Friday in Virginia Beach was a revolting tragedy, but what did that have to do with what he was doing? For some, this decoupling of guns and gun violence was accompanied by a link between fear and demand. If the world was a threatening place and gun grabbers were going to make it impossible to get the guns we needed to protect ourselves, didn’t it make sense to get more while we still could? I know. It’s a minuscule sample size, but that’s not the point. There were consequences to all the interacting and information-gathering I’d been doing. What if the beliefs I’d encountered weren’t gun-nut pathology but simply a worldview oriented 180 degrees from the one to which I was accustomed?

I considered the power of the sad story I’d shared for all those years with hungry journalists who gobbled my suffering and pushed out content, and the pink-faced politicians brought to the verge of tears by the recitation of my sorrows, who then went out and voted against me. I considered my friend with the house in the woods. The first time I used his shooting range I asked him — this guy who routinely kills, butchers and eats the animals who share the forest with him — whether he wanted to take a few shots with my Ruger. He looked at the pistol and made a face. “No, thanks,” he said. “I’m good.”

I considered the fact that in hopes of becoming a more effective advocate, I had ceased advocating altogether. Now I was simply bearing witness. Where I’d expected fewer certainties, I discovered many more, and they all came in diametrically opposed pairs. My wife and children and I had lost our beloved Galen in the most hideous, random, wasteful way, and yet I could not see the world as a threatening place. I was a perfect sheep, except for the loaded gun nestled in my crotch.

Blacks and whites of the gun control debate smeared into gray. I’d gotten pretty comfortable with shooting, but even better (I thought!) at living in a perpetual state of cognitive dissonance, as if I had consumed America’s gun problem and now embodied it. But when it came to actual people and realistic approaches to the problem of gun violence, black and white were still worlds apart. Focusing on legislation as a means of reducing gun deaths felt to me like a project for white people — detached from the ways in which systemic racism and economic exclusion drove gun violence. I’d spent a fair amount of time doing advocacy work in urban neighborhoods. From talking with people there, I knew that when your main concern is raising money to bury your 14-year old son or getting the police to investigate the murder of your husband, crafting sensible gun legislation can seem like an afterthought.

I drove on, and the opposing terms in my internalized gun-violence “debate” began canceling one another out. Instead of synthesis or consensus, I was left with nothing. What was the point of advocacy, anyway? It hadn’t worked because it didn’t work. Nothing I could do would rid the world of sociopaths and criminals. By the time I reached my hotel in Washington, I was a wreck. Somehow, inadvertently, I’d succeeded in breaking myself down completely, much as Navy boot camp broke civilian recruits down before building us back up as sailors. I must confess that I experienced a few difficult weeks after my visit with Jim McGee. I’m just beginning to rebuild.

I think I’ll keep shooting. I enjoy it, and I want to see whether I can become more efficient and more accurate. And I’ll resume my advocacy work, but I’m going to go about it differently. As with school safety, there are things we can do to reduce gun deaths. Some of them will require education and cultural change, some can be addressed through legislation. Would every Second Amendment zealot have to lose a child in a preventable gun death to understand the sense in this?

It’s a terrible thought, and one I don’t need to think. I’m thinking instead of Jimmy Meeks’s God telling his flock that they were the answer. More than 125,000 people a year are killed or wounded by guns in America, and each of them is surrounded by friends, relatives and loved ones — a million people a year whose lives will never be the same because of that experience.

According to one poll, 58 percent of American adults have said that they or someone they care for has experienced gun violence. Those are the people I want to talk with now. That’s my church.
 
once a person becomes familiar with firearms they no longer fear them but rather they understand they are simply a tool.

You could put a blank where you wrote firearms and written in many, many different things.
 
Well, I just skimmed along since it's a small novel of a story but I guess he familiarized himself with firearms, developed an appreciation and even started to enjoy shooting. He then moved on from the 'guns are evil dogma'

I think the reason a lit of the anti gun debate is so radical is to keep many people away from the firearms as whole because once a person becomes familiar with firearms they no longer fear them but rather they understand they are simply a tool.

To people who understand firearms many of these gun control debates seem borderline insane.

I also skimmed it as it was much longer and drawn out than necessary. Just want to say you pretty much summed up my take it.

I would add I don’t believe for a second he’s done with pushing gun control... he said as much.
I THINK I’LL KEEP SHOOTING. I enjoy it, and I want to see whether I can become more efficient and more accurate. And I’ll resume my advocacy work, but I’m going to go about it differently. As with school safety, there are things we can do to reduce gun deaths. Some of them will require education and cultural change, some can be addressed through legislation.
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Personally, The most interesting thing in the drawn out article was, IMO.
I’d also tested my theories with all the people I’d spoken with at gun shows, the gun shop clerks and habitués, and my fellow trainees — as good, bad and ugly as any random lot of folks, except that many of them saw no connection between gun violence and their own interest in guns.
I find that interesting mainly because I am likely that guy. The guy that doesn’t see the connection between my enjoyment of guns and the “gun violence” of which he speaks, for better or worse that’s probably me. And I’ll put a little more thought into that, and reserve the right to amend my position, or my interpretation of it.
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The other very interesting thing is how he ended.
According to one poll, 58 percent of American adults have said that they or someone they care for has experienced gun violence. Those are the people I want to talk with now. That’s my church.
I suspect if he really talks to “those people” he will find that most are not “his church” most will likely be gang banger and folks up to no good, is he also going to seek out and talk to the thousands who have experienced “gun violence” as self defense, as defensive trigger pullers? Somehow I doubt it, but apparently the criminals they shot are “his church”
All that said he did make a few good points, and you can tell he’s trying to keep an open mind.
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You can't have a rational discussion with people who don't know what they are talking about. The 2nd amendment is a right and there is no debate to be had about it
To this point, I openly admit I skimmed the article, but at no point did I even see an acknowledgment of any type of right. The second amendment, the constitution, founding fathers intentions, or a right to self defense was never even acknowledged or eluded to that I saw.
But in his defense it was more about his experience than his ideology.
 
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Knowledge of firearms is peripheral to a discussion of individual rights. Does anyone seriously doubt that Stalin and Hitler's armies had people who could handle a gun? How about the KGB or the Gestapo? In our time we've fought some tough people with some high levels of competence. None of this speaks to their belief in individual rights.

I respect a man's ability to shoot straight and hard and accurate. If, however, he does not believe in freedom, I respect him as an enemy.
 
As a parent, I cannot imagine the complex struggles and difficulties he had to endure.

It simply shows that the tool is not the problem.
 
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