I took a 700 to my local shop for an appraisal and he told me it has to go back to Remington for a rework on the trigger. So what is the big deal with the trigger? What does Rem do with it? I like the trigger on it now and don't know if I want it changed. Does Rem pay the shipping if this is their problem? How long should it take. Do I have to return the gun?
Rem 700 trigger recall?
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It it were me I would take it to a gunsmith and have him install a Timney trigger. I would not send it back to Remington under any circumstances. Look at the left side of the trigger itself & see if the letter v was stamped on the trigger. If it is Remington fixed it a long time ago.
someguy2800
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Remington 700's made from 1949 up to 2014 have a trigger with a known design defect that can cause some of them to fire unintentionally when the safety is taken off even if your not touching the trigger. It only affect a small percentage of them but there have been quite a few people killed. Remington received many thousands of customer complaints and lawsuits but swept it under the rug until they lost a large class action lawsuit that they need to replace all of them under a recall.
My own wife has not fired a gun in 15 years because while sitting at the shooting bench with her father she had a 700 in 243 go off when she took the safety off. It scared her quite badly and her dad chastised her because he thought she had pulled the trigger and that was that. I doubt she will ever shoot a gun again.
My own wife has not fired a gun in 15 years because while sitting at the shooting bench with her father she had a 700 in 243 go off when she took the safety off. It scared her quite badly and her dad chastised her because he thought she had pulled the trigger and that was that. I doubt she will ever shoot a gun again.
There are 2 separate situations. The 1946-2007 triggers were all a flawed design. Remington has settled over 100 lawsuits out of court over this going back to the 1950's. They have never admitted fault. But as part of a more recent lawsuit are required to replace the trigger of any gun returned to Remington. They don't advertise it, and don't have to admit fault, but if you send in the rifle you'll get a new trigger. This doesn't effect just SOME guns. Every single one of them can discharge with no trigger pull. If one hasn't YET, it is only because internal trigger parts have never lined up in the wrong place at the wrong time. Keep and use it long enough and all of them will eventually do this.
That trigger was replaced in 2007 with a better design. In fact the engineer who designed the original 700 series of guns found the flaw in 1946 and drew up plans for a replacement trigger. He submitted those plans along with a letter to Remington management warning them it was dangerous in 1946 and again in 1948. Because his new design cost 1 1/2 cents more to produce they declined. His 1946 design is used on 2007-current Remingtons.
BUT.... some rifles manufactured 2007-2014 somehow got adhesive dripped into the trigger mechanism during assembly causing a dangerous problem. This really only effected a handful of guns, but Remington recalled ALL of them to inspect and replace any triggers with adhesive in them. This recall is sorta mandatory, the one on older guns is optional. But it is actually the older guns I'm concerned about.
My personal experience is with the older triggers. They feel good, but will allow the firearm to discharge without pulling the trigger. My 1974 rifle has proven that in very rare cases it will. I have no experience with the 2007-current trigger, but by all accounts while safe, it sucks. I bought a Timney and installed it myself. It was a 15 min DIY project and this is the way I'd advise anyone to go with any Remington 700, 721, 722, 7, or 600 rifle of any vintage. Basically every bolt rifle made by Remington since 1946 except the 788.
If anyone wonders why Remington is in trouble financially this is it. Since the 1950's they've paid out millions in settlements. Factor in the costs of lawyers to defend them this debacle has probably cost them billions. Billions that couldn't be spent on producing better guns.
That trigger was replaced in 2007 with a better design. In fact the engineer who designed the original 700 series of guns found the flaw in 1946 and drew up plans for a replacement trigger. He submitted those plans along with a letter to Remington management warning them it was dangerous in 1946 and again in 1948. Because his new design cost 1 1/2 cents more to produce they declined. His 1946 design is used on 2007-current Remingtons.
BUT.... some rifles manufactured 2007-2014 somehow got adhesive dripped into the trigger mechanism during assembly causing a dangerous problem. This really only effected a handful of guns, but Remington recalled ALL of them to inspect and replace any triggers with adhesive in them. This recall is sorta mandatory, the one on older guns is optional. But it is actually the older guns I'm concerned about.
My personal experience is with the older triggers. They feel good, but will allow the firearm to discharge without pulling the trigger. My 1974 rifle has proven that in very rare cases it will. I have no experience with the 2007-current trigger, but by all accounts while safe, it sucks. I bought a Timney and installed it myself. It was a 15 min DIY project and this is the way I'd advise anyone to go with any Remington 700, 721, 722, 7, or 600 rifle of any vintage. Basically every bolt rifle made by Remington since 1946 except the 788.
If anyone wonders why Remington is in trouble financially this is it. Since the 1950's they've paid out millions in settlements. Factor in the costs of lawyers to defend them this debacle has probably cost them billions. Billions that couldn't be spent on producing better guns.
Funny, I like the Walker triggers but don't do stupid stuff with my rifle.
Watched the TV show did we?
What a load of crap.
I bought two Walker type Remington bolt guns and BOTH had the triggers adjusted by idiots.
UNSAFE.
And not Remington's fault.
True, the adj spring is short on coil and doesn't allow for much.
But you can only adjust a trigger as safely as it can go.
Too many think they can just set it to a value and that's it.
Nope.
The fix is a spring change, cost is like $10.
The 600 I got that somebody messed up, after spring change, would go as low as 28 oz.
And in testing I bonked the stock hard, flicked safety on and off, never tripped.
Guy wanted to buy it, told him to test trigger (made sure gun unloaded) and first thing he does was trip it unintentionally.
He yelled at me, said I screwed it up.
Told him try it again and keep his booger hook off the ^%$#@ trigger.
Not everybody has a fine sense of touch, and too many rubes think off the trigger is also out of the trigger guard.
What he did was lay his finger on the side.
He was off the front, so thought he was good to go..............but he was on it.
Because I watched him do it.
How many times had he done this with other guns and gotten by with it due to heavier triggers?
The TV show condemning Remington was a joke, a bad one.
Yeah. I'm sure some bad ones got out................you make millions, it happens.
Just because Remington has been sued and paid out a lot of money, doesn't mean they're at fault.
Juries do stupid stuff when their heart strings are pulled.
And lawyers can be pretty stupid.
Can't do math, like to BS............get a law degree.
I seriously doubt the lawyers or jury have any engineering logic.
The losses might well be due to that.
Solution for Walkers is spring change and or aftermarket trigger.
Coworker got a new 700 6.5 Quagmire.
Trigger was crappy.
X mark Pro.
I said check the springs. He bought a Timney.
Took it apart and found one of the original trigger springs was not in correct position.
That was why he couldn't adjust it to decent.
Also, when you adjust triggers, as safely as they can be set..........you seal the adj screws so they hold position.
Lots of people don't.
SMDH
Watched the TV show did we?
What a load of crap.
I bought two Walker type Remington bolt guns and BOTH had the triggers adjusted by idiots.
UNSAFE.
And not Remington's fault.
True, the adj spring is short on coil and doesn't allow for much.
But you can only adjust a trigger as safely as it can go.
Too many think they can just set it to a value and that's it.
Nope.
The fix is a spring change, cost is like $10.
The 600 I got that somebody messed up, after spring change, would go as low as 28 oz.
And in testing I bonked the stock hard, flicked safety on and off, never tripped.
Guy wanted to buy it, told him to test trigger (made sure gun unloaded) and first thing he does was trip it unintentionally.
He yelled at me, said I screwed it up.
Told him try it again and keep his booger hook off the ^%$#@ trigger.
Not everybody has a fine sense of touch, and too many rubes think off the trigger is also out of the trigger guard.
What he did was lay his finger on the side.
He was off the front, so thought he was good to go..............but he was on it.
Because I watched him do it.
How many times had he done this with other guns and gotten by with it due to heavier triggers?
The TV show condemning Remington was a joke, a bad one.
Yeah. I'm sure some bad ones got out................you make millions, it happens.
Just because Remington has been sued and paid out a lot of money, doesn't mean they're at fault.
Juries do stupid stuff when their heart strings are pulled.
And lawyers can be pretty stupid.
Can't do math, like to BS............get a law degree.
I seriously doubt the lawyers or jury have any engineering logic.
The losses might well be due to that.
Solution for Walkers is spring change and or aftermarket trigger.
Coworker got a new 700 6.5 Quagmire.
Trigger was crappy.
X mark Pro.
I said check the springs. He bought a Timney.
Took it apart and found one of the original trigger springs was not in correct position.
That was why he couldn't adjust it to decent.
Also, when you adjust triggers, as safely as they can be set..........you seal the adj screws so they hold position.
Lots of people don't.
SMDH
How many have crud in them, or were slogged w WD40 and gummed up?
I still see folks unload Remington bolt guns by cranking rounds in and out of the chamber.
Like monkeys on crack.
Learned as a kid to bump and flip em out into my hand, without fully chambering a round.
There was a recall on 600's way back IIRC.
I still see folks unload Remington bolt guns by cranking rounds in and out of the chamber.
Like monkeys on crack.
Learned as a kid to bump and flip em out into my hand, without fully chambering a round.
There was a recall on 600's way back IIRC.
badkarmamib
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The problem is that, to save money, Remington hardened a "trigger connector", instead of hardening the entire trigger. The connector slips over the trigger, and floats. If a piece of foreign material gets between the connector and the trigger, it can keep the sear from fully engaging, thus leaving the safety as the only thing holding the sear back. Doesn't take Bubba messing around with the trigger pull, it only takes a piece of dirt.
I agree with others here that the best thing you can do is install a Timney, and be done. Note: it may take some fitting/filing of your trigger guard, but it is a relatively easy job, with good instructions.
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I've had a dozen 700/600. As have my buds.
So proly a sample of 100 here.
Two bad ones.
Both messed with by prev owner, set to unsafe.............and passed along (one without disclosure to a shop).
Think about that, dude knew he mucked it up and dumped it at a shop.
If I hadn't bought it and discovered the problem (hang fire)............
the next owner coulda been a TV star.
Follow the rules of gun safety. Even if a problem happens all should be cool.
As with most tragedies...........it's usually more than one problem, it's a series of them..........and usually human error, not mechanical.
Having been on ranges, member of clubs and worked a gun shop.............
and worked in engineering for a major corporation (metallurgy, adv development, competititve assessment).........
the overwhelming majorty of problems Remington has "had" with the Walker trigger, I'm betting were BS.
So proly a sample of 100 here.
Two bad ones.
Both messed with by prev owner, set to unsafe.............and passed along (one without disclosure to a shop).
Think about that, dude knew he mucked it up and dumped it at a shop.
If I hadn't bought it and discovered the problem (hang fire)............
the next owner coulda been a TV star.
Follow the rules of gun safety. Even if a problem happens all should be cool.
As with most tragedies...........it's usually more than one problem, it's a series of them..........and usually human error, not mechanical.
Having been on ranges, member of clubs and worked a gun shop.............
and worked in engineering for a major corporation (metallurgy, adv development, competititve assessment).........
the overwhelming majorty of problems Remington has "had" with the Walker trigger, I'm betting were BS.
poor adjustment, and user error are just part of the problem. Poor maintenance, and sheer bad luck can result in a walker trigger dropping when the safety is taken off.
Ive personally SEEN, as in been standing right next to a fully stock (i assume, the trigger broke at 5lbs on my scale and still had sealant on it) walker trigger rifle, discharge when the safety was taken off. I replaced it with a spare Xmark pro, and i keep one or two around all the time in case i work on a rifle for a friend who has the original trigger.
the Xmarks actually a pretty good trigger, the down side is there are two return springs (neither of which have enough travel for very low trigger pull weights.) otherwise i consider them as good as the Walkers but less prone to failure.
badkarmamib
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It also doesn't show the bolt catch. Or pins. So what? The illustration is just to show how Remington used a 2-piece trigger to save money on hardening, and that foreign material can enter between the two pieces. Just as Walker tried to show his superiors, and was ignored. You seem to have an axe to grind, while Remington was told by the designer that it was flawed, and Remington has seen fit to run themselves into bankruptcy to replace these "only give you trouble if you Bubba with it" triggers.
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.Why install a Timney when there are much better after-market triggers available?
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Sorry, should have said, "I agree with others here that for the price the best thing you can do is install a Timney". If you just want peace of mind, Timney is good. If money is not an issue, then Jewell seems to be the top vote.
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You are dead wrong. The 700 that did this to my wife was purchased new by my father in law in the late 80's. He bought it after his 2nd kid was born for them to someday use as deer rifles. In 30 years it has 2 boxes of ammo through it and has been oiled and in the safe the entire time. It has never been monkey'd or fiddled with and certainly the trigger is as it came from Remington. But it did it anyway. Just because you have 10 that haven't done it, or 100 or 1000 does not mean it doesn't happen. If it were lawers and lefties making up a fake problem and suing remington over their dead kids then why isn't ever other manufacturer being inundated with customer complaints about guns going off when the trigger wasn't pulled?
That is why guns that have been stored are supposed to be checked by competent gunsmiths prior to use. But nobody does that, since they know everything.
They dont do anything until a problem pops up and then they take it in. Usually the week before the season opener.
They dont do anything until a problem pops up and then they take it in. Usually the week before the season opener.
Oils break down, gum up and may react with other chemicals. The 760 I bought was functional ( met the seller at the range). Took it apart when I got home and it had some pink crud everywhere. Took over an hr to clean the trigger group....w scraping.
WD40 was commonly misused as an oil. Suspect that what was used on the Smith Model 60 I got where the action was damn near glued solid
WD40 was commonly misused as an oil. Suspect that what was used on the Smith Model 60 I got where the action was damn near glued solid
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I have no axe to grind. Just hate it when folks place blame unjustly.....doesnt matter the subject.
Screw the cultural, political and personal aspects......find the problem and fix it.
Most are content to change something and move on. Never making an exact determination of cause.
My job for decades was to find the cause. Dont care about that other stuff.
Screw the cultural, political and personal aspects......find the problem and fix it.
Most are content to change something and move on. Never making an exact determination of cause.
My job for decades was to find the cause. Dont care about that other stuff.
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