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45-70 plinker rounds
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SlowFuse
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Great news, sounds like your off to a good start. I'd say your guess of 1200 fps is dang close, that load shows about 1225 as the min load in my manual for a 405.
JustsayMo
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I had good accuracy with 5477 but until I got up to Levergun Max loadings I'd get a lot of "powder zombies" speckling the bore that would inevitably find there way into the camber dimpling the brass on subsequent shots.
I like 4759 and 4198 for Trapdoor - Levergun level loadings. Same good accuracy, cleaner burning.
Reduced loads are something I've been using in rifle loads (30-30, 308, 30-06, 38-55, 45-70) since the 1970's. Bullseye, Red Dot, Unique, W231 ... No filler. They've worked great. There is some good data at http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm
A few years back we tested the long range capabilities of these light 45-70 loadings using Unique under a 405-425gr cast bullets. They worked well out to 600 yards. Beyond that they weren't as consistent as 4198 loads. Video below.
I like 4759 and 4198 for Trapdoor - Levergun level loadings. Same good accuracy, cleaner burning.
Reduced loads are something I've been using in rifle loads (30-30, 308, 30-06, 38-55, 45-70) since the 1970's. Bullseye, Red Dot, Unique, W231 ... No filler. They've worked great. There is some good data at http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm
A few years back we tested the long range capabilities of these light 45-70 loadings using Unique under a 405-425gr cast bullets. They worked well out to 600 yards. Beyond that they weren't as consistent as 4198 loads. Video below.
Toprudder
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I had the same thing happen with some reduced loads for my 460 revolver.
Col. Cornelius
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When I'm not shooting black powder, I've loaded and had good luck with 5744
45-70
405gr RNFP
27.0gr 5744 (max listed low pressure load in manual)
CCI 200
Sharps Carbine: 1250fps
Buffalo Classic: 1,360fps
I've loaded up to 29.0gr of 5744 for use in a Marlin lever action only.
45-70
405gr RNFP
27.0gr 5744 (max listed low pressure load in manual)
CCI 200
Sharps Carbine: 1250fps
Buffalo Classic: 1,360fps
I've loaded up to 29.0gr of 5744 for use in a Marlin lever action only.
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Shak3s1977
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Well IMR 4198 is next on my try list. I did notice a few unburned kernels in the barrel but nothing real terrible. I was surprised that 5744 metered as good as it did. I did end up trickling them up to exact each round, but I probably could have just let it go as they were close enough.
It's kind of strange calling this a plinker lol. 405gr at over 1000 fps is still a hell of a load, just not as high as I could go with my Marlin but I'm happy with trapdoor loads for now. Thanks for all the help.
It's kind of strange calling this a plinker lol. 405gr at over 1000 fps is still a hell of a load, just not as high as I could go with my Marlin but I'm happy with trapdoor loads for now. Thanks for all the help.
Charlie98
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My previous Government was a Marlin 1895 LTD V... a very nice rifle, but balloon head me went and loaded what I thought were mid-range loads... around 1800fps. I wound up pulling almost 100 cartridges because I couldn't take the recoil, and eventually sold the rifle. Now I'm at 1300fps with my 1885, and I can shoot 50rds or more at a setting, no problem.
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Shak3s1977
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Yeah Charlie98 I shot some factory 300gr Winchester Super X. I believe they were 1880fps on the box. Even though it was a smaller bullet, at that speed they weren't real fun to shoot lol. They were fun somewhat because that was all I had and the gun was brand new, but I wouldn't want to shoot 100's of them. Those 405gr factory Remingtons or my handloads, I could shoot all day.
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