Cross Draw?

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A left hand weak side cross draw the shooter would be turned left, draw, if close, fire under right arm concealing. Same opposite from right. Farther shots you would bring weapon above concealing arm elbow down to protect torso.
Main benifit is not limiting to one hand and stance narrows profile.
 
Generally, cross draw would be worn forward of the point of the hip, while a concealment strong side holster would normally be worn aft of the point of the hip. With an open front concealment garment (understanding not all use this, but it is extremely common) and the curve of your body would most likely conceal the strong side holster better.

If your concealment garment is a t-shirt or similar closed front garment, it probably makes little difference.
Perhaps. But what is appendix carry that I read so much about? Isn’t that about 2:00 just like cross draw is 10:00? And a properly fitting suit jacket covers the front well. Besides, in my situationI don’t mind the gun showing occasionally if the jacket flaps open. I just don’t want to openly display it. Think Joe Friday.
 
A left hand weak side cross draw the shooter would be turned left, draw, if close, fire under right arm concealing. Same opposite from right. Farther shots you would bring weapon above concealing arm elbow down to protect torso.
Main benifit is not limiting to one hand and stance narrows profile.
That is a possibility but by no means a necessity. You can stand and point the gun exactly the same for cross draw and strong side draw.
 
I've been carrying cross for almost 50 years. A lot of what I've read in this thread is bunk, and usually from those who either never have or have never learned how. Done properly it is as fast as strong side, whether both are IWB or OWB. Done properly you will sweep nothing but the ground and your target. Done properly, if an opponent "pins" your arm to your chest you are already turned enough to simply shoot them in the belly (be warned that contact wounds are really messy, so you will ruin your clothes).

In other words, done properly any complaint the strong/appendix/SOB or any other carry method proponent can come up with is as I said above bunk.
 
I've been carrying cross for almost 50 years. A lot of what I've read in this thread is bunk, and usually from those who either never have or have never learned how. Done properly it is as fast as strong side, whether both are IWB or OWB. Done properly you will sweep nothing but the ground and your target. Done properly, if an opponent "pins" your arm to your chest you are already turned enough to simply shoot them in the belly (be warned that contact wounds are really messy, so you will ruin your clothes).

In other words, done properly any complaint the strong/appendix/SOB or any other carry method proponent can come up with is as I said above bunk.
I agree with you. I only mentioned some of that bunk to let folks know what others think. To me cross draw is the best.
 
I agree with you. I only mentioned some of that bunk to let folks know what others think. To me cross draw is the best.
I'm going to give it a try. I already have a small fortune in expensive and inexpensive holsters, so what's one more?
 
I'm a fan of cross draw and feel very comfortable doing it. I like the earlier cross draw revolver holsters that are not made like the ones today. Fast and easy access to the gun with either hand.

Ever stand at a urinal at Wal Mart with a strong side holster in the 3:00 or 4:00 position? Easy for low-lifes to grab your firearm and take it away. Cross draw it probably ain't going to happen.

This is an older Bucheimer cross-draw holster. Carries my 2.5" 44 spl Bulldog just fine.
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This is an older one also made by Bucheimer. Works great with D-frame Colt, J-frame S&W, and Charter Arms Undercover.
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Simply Rugged carries N-frame S&W's fairly comfortably cross-draw.
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Another Simply Rugged holster carries my Glock 23 & 19 comfortably cross draw or strong side.
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Cocked & Locked’s urinal example reminds me of a buddy who was mugged years ago at an ATM. He couldn’t access his 38 because it was in an ankle holster. Point being, any encounter from behind will jeopardize your ability to draw from strong side too. Odds are that just like pinning your arm to your stomach in a frontal assault, a perp may just as likely pin your arm to your side if assaulting you from the rear - he may or may not know you are carrying, but I would think he’s trying to immobilize a victim as much as possible. Seems a crossdraw set up gives you some options if attacked from the rear.

And while I recognize the “sweep” arguments against drawing crossdraw, I just don’t think given the circumstances it has much merit. Try it for yourself in front of a mirror (unloaded, or course). If you have a laser, all the more fun and educational to see what you’d shoot.

I may just go back to Mesican carry off-side appendix carry and be done with it.
 
I think that CC isn't effective w/o adequate degree of awareness of surroundings. The decision to CC is the result of an anticipation of serious trouble. Making a withdrawal at an ATM (especially at night) is probably as dangerous a situation as I can think of for anyone to be in. He should have taken his gun out of the ankle holster & placed it somewhere where it could be reached quickly until after he was safely out of the ATM situation. This could apply to many other situations where high probability for trouble is anticipated. However a sharp awareness of surroundings is always necessary.
 
He should have taken his gun out of the ankle holster & placed it somewhere where it could be reached quickly until after he was safely out of the ATM situation.


I think the most preventative measure the guy could have taken was to have some forethought and not go to an ATM after dark.

I have next to no chance of getting robbed at an ATM where I live, but I still only visit it during the day.
 
Cross draw works best for seated positions, car, ATV, horseback....etc. I carry crossdraw quite often but not for concealment.
A suggestion:
Order a Desantis SofTuck for your gun model.
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They are inexpensive quality, and can be worn almost any position...including crossdraw.
~ $25 to your door.
I'm getting at least one more for myself.
What mag is that for your LCP? Is that something that would fit in a jean pocket?
 
Followed with high interest. I Do Not Carry anything, have no intention to either.

The first time I read the comment about fear of someone taking your firearm from you while it is still holstered struck me as odd. It would appear to me that if someone was able to gain control that close that they could pin you and remove your firearm then you are in very deep doo doo before you even knew what was happening! To me it makes no difference where the gun is located on your body.
 
"He couldn’t access his 38 because it was in an ankle holster."

Honestly, we can all make a statement like this about ANY given method of carry, concealed or otherwise. Heck, we can even do it for people carrying in their hands.

As has been pointed out in more than one instance in this thread alone, self-defense is a holistic concept. It is not, and cannot be, considered "effective" by the mere fact that one carries a weapon in any way, shape, or form.

There are any number of witicisms out there on this..."don't go anywhere armed that you wouldn't go unarmed", "two is one and one is none", "never bring a knife to a gunfight", "I'd rather have a gun and not need it than need one and not have it", "owning a handgun doesn’t make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician".

Cute. Funny. And often true. But they're necessarily limited in scope because they're short in nature. They don't tell the full story.

And what is the "full story"?

Situational awareness. Forethought. Advanced planning. Training. Critical thinking. Understanding what the laws actually mean with respect to the use of deadly force. Strategic and tactical use of resources at hand, whatever they may be, for concealment, cover, deflection, advanced warning, defense, and offense.

All of these things, and more, count as much, indeed even more, than carrying a weapon however you choose to do it. Why? Because all of these things involve the effective training and use of the most important weapon we have as human beings: OUR BRAIN.

What is it that should be keeping that ankle-holster-carrying person safe when he can't access his weapons? All those things I listed, that's what. Ultimately, his ability to recognize the limitations of his chosen method of carry and to engineer circumstances which minimize the risks he may have to deal with.
 
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Sure will fit in your Jean's pocket.
It's a Ruger brand +1 extended mag. I have been bragging on it for years on THR. For me, it makes the lcp quite shootable.
You may have just saved my LCP from being sold... Here's mine, when I carry it as a primary it's in the pocket as a backup it's appendix IMG_20190626_112713344.jpg
 
I've been using a Bianchi Cyclone to carry my S&W 686 for a while now and really like it. It can be worn strong side or cross draw. I don't worry about concealment but it is comfortable and keeps the revolver out of the way when also carrying a rifle. I can pull the revolver very quickly when the need arises.
 
The issue with CC for guys like us is that we have to wait for the criminal to make his move before we take action. This is not only what defensive action means but also what is required by the law. Therefore no matter where you carry your weapon, if the criminal draws first & your name isn't Josey Wales, you're done.

The trick is to see it coming & to be ready so when it happens (if it happens) you will be already in a position to defend yourself. My point is that the type of holster chosen should be a decision that is first concealment, closely followed by comfort & third quickness of draw.

Few people look at your ankles & with adequate length & style pant a small gun can easily & comfortable be carried & concealed in your lower leg. If trouble is anticipated (as result of awareness of surroundings) reaching it there before things go south should not be a problem That is why I don't see an ankle holster as being such an inconvenience.
 
The issue with CC for guys like us is that we have to wait for the criminal to make his move before we take action. This is not only what defensive action means but also what is required by the law. Therefore no matter where you carry your weapon, if the criminal draws first & your name isn't Josey Wales, you're done.

The trick is to see it coming & to be ready so when it happens (if it happens) you will be already in a position to defend yourself. My point is that the type of holster chosen should be a decision that is first concealment, closely followed by comfort & third quickness of draw.

Few people look at your ankles & with adequate length & style pant a small gun can easily & comfortable be carried & concealed in your lower leg. If trouble is anticipated (as result of awareness of surroundings) reaching it there before things go south should not be a problem That is why I don't see an ankle holster as being such an inconvenience.
I disagree. It is not like a wild west gunfight. If your assailant threatens you bodily harm whether by brandishing a gun or not, you may draw your gun to protect yourself. If an assailant is advancing on you within 21 feet and refuses to stop, and you are threatened by some aspect of his manner, you may draw your weapon.
 
I'm not sure you can draw a gun on someone ("assailant") just because he's approaching you in a threatening way. Ive done some research on gun laws & I believe that pulling guns on someone just because he's threatening you will land you in jail 9 out of 10 times. Drawing a gun is justified only if you are nearly 100% sure that the "assailant" was threatening your life AND you can prove that you had no possibility of avoiding the situation.

In any case what I meant was quite contrary to the wild west gunfight. What I said was that if someone intended to threaten or hurt you with a gun & they had the gun pointed at you before you had yours out of the holster,your chances of winning that gun fight are about zero regardless of where you carry. The only way the we ("victim") can win is to be ready BEFORE the assailant makes his move. That can only be accomplished by being like a deer in the woods, acutely aware of surroundings at all times.

Obviously if the guy is threatening you with a shovel instead of a gun the degree of awareness can be lessened but nevertheless it is still necessary.
 
Based on TX law which applies to me I believe you are wrong. If I perceive the threat of bodily injury or death due to an assailant who does not desist in response to a warning, I can draw my gun to prepare to defend myself. Perhaps the assailant has a gun, knife, shovel or baseball bat. Once he threatens me and approaches within approximately 21 ft, I can prepare my defense by drawing my gun.
 
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I do think crossdraw is underrated and would like to experiment with it sometime... but I have yet to try it... unless you count chest carry which I do all the time and love it; by far the fastest, most accessible and secure carry option available if concealment is of zero concern. ;)
 
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