Bond Arms Bullpup

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Anyone know anything about the Bond Arms Bullpup ?
It looks interesting but a bit pricey for a 9mm.
There is one at the local gun store. Nice fit and finish but not sure about that feed system.
 
Assuming Bond Arms has not materially changed the design from the original Boberg, it should be a fine carry gun with the right right ammo. And seriously unique if nothing more.

BOARHUNTER
 
Arne Boberg and the owners of the original XR9-S Shorty, compiled a list of compatible ammo.

There is some ammo out there that isn't crimped enough to withstand the operation of the gun, but there is a lot of ammo, including a lot of good self-defense ammo that holds up fine in the gun.
 
Yes I forgot about the crimp. Do you know if off the shelf stuff like Winchester or Federal will work ?
 
Yes I forgot about the crimp. Do you know if off the shelf stuff like Winchester or Federal will work ?

Winchester white box is one of the recommended practice rounds. The crimp is the issue and the fact that some ammunition manufactures use a sealant on the bullet to case joint that enhances the crimp grip. The Bond Arms Bullpup has a set of forks the grab the rim of the cartridge in the magazine, to the rear then shoves it into the barrel.

I have a BA Bullpup and am very happy with the pistol. It's built like a Swiss watch and I enjoy shooting the Bullpup. It's always fun to watch the face of another shooter watching me put the bullets into the magazine, "backwards".
 
I'm not sold on the feed system myself, but mostly I'm not sold on the concept. It's a gimmick and an overpriced, less proven one at that.

I'm hard on Bond Arms and the guns they make, both this and their derringers I see no practical use for them other than novelties, but I've seen videos of their facility, their machines, processes and they're top notch; the quality they deliver is incredible in an industry that is quickly devaluing quality every year.

The gun tho just does not pass the smell test. The whole idea is built around bullpup, but in a rifle going from a non bullpup system to a bullpup one reduces the OAL considerably, whilst keeping barrel length the same or slightly increasing it. In a pistol you gain... half an inch of barrel length.

OMG! THIS IS NOW WORTH $900 BECAUSE I GET AN EXTRA 10 FPS!

With a modern JHP defense ammo, the powders are super fast and you gain very little when barrel length increases 1 inch, so half that you gain quite literally nothing, but you do reduce your sight radius thus making it more difficult to hit your target quickly, have a less reliable function, and throw in a DAO action into the mix? You chances of winnin' drastic go down, but you don't need me to bring up Steiner Math to tell you that spells disaster.

Go ahead and make the excuse it's a "belly gun" or a "point shooting gun" because if that's the intended use, there are better, more reliable options that cost less, weigh less, and have more holster options and carry position options.

If you want to buy an interesting and well manufactured mechanical thingy for the novelty, do it, but it's not a serious carry gun as nothing Bond makes is serious.
 
I have a Boberg 45acp and I consider it a serious novelty. Not everything we do or buy is practical or life would be darn boring. I watch the crimp on my loads and have fun at the range with it. OTOH I don't consider it a viable carry gun. I didn't buy it for that purpose as with my DE 50.
 
I have a Boberg 45acp and I consider it a serious novelty. Not everything we do or buy is practical or life would be darn boring. I watch the crimp on my loads and have fun at the range with it. OTOH I don't consider it a viable carry gun. I didn't buy it for that purpose as with my DE 50.
The thing with the Bond Bullpup is that it's entirely built and marketed as a carry gun. DAO is something you only see on a carry gun, windage adjustable and removable sights, single stack, but it's not a good gun for the task.

I do think the Desert Eagle is a good comparison tho, however it's got some capabilities for big game hunting.
 
I have one and love it. It is a supremely well-made little pistol. Is it for everyone? No, of course not. But to say that it isn't a "serious carry gun" is ridiculous.

I have over a thousand rounds through mine (probably getting close to two thousand now, but I stopped recording after the first thousand, once I was satisfied with the reliability). I have had exactly three stoppages, and those were while testing a "novelty" polymer-bullet round. It wasn't due to case separation, either (the bullets cracked at some point in the feed cycle, causing a jam). No other round has had a problem.

Shooting the Bullpup is seriously enjoyable. That's something I've never heard said about any "Pocket" 9mm, ever. I'll routinely shoot upwards of 200 rounds through the Bullpup in a range trip, and every time I want to shoot more. I like shooting other pocket nines, but man, after a couple of boxes of ammo, it feels like a chore. The Bullpup just has such soft recoil and good ergonomics. The DAO trigger is long, and heavy; if you're coming from striker-fired pistols, no doubt you'll need to adjust (I did). It's exactly what you want if you're putting a gun in your pocket though. And the Bullpup's is the best DAO trigger I've ever felt. The only DAO trigger I've felt that comes close is a S&W revolver with a custom trigger job (and the friend who owns that particular Smith prefers the Bullpup's trigger).

The "bullpup" action does get you a bit of extra barrel length. That doesn't really get you a significant amount of extra power, as TT pointed out. Look at it from the other direction though: muzzle velocity is comparable to a Glock 26, which has a similar barrel length. However: the Bullpup is an inch and a quarter shorter. That means that I can drop the Bullpup into a back pocket holster and none of it sticks out of the pocket of my jeans. The G26 (or any other 9mm "pocket" gun I've tried) can't do that.

Bottom line: it's a great little pistol, extremely well-built, very reliable, comfortable to shoot, and extremely concealable. It's also expensive, and because it's not too common, it's hard to find one to shoot before you buy.

Me? I'd buy mine again in a heartbeat.
 
Ive never shot one as they arent super common. I do fully suppport innovation and new designs but i have to say i think its an answer to a question that no one would ever ask. Simple is better 100% of the time in my opinion, unless an item must be complicated to function which isnt the case on the bullpup. If you like it, buy it. But i dont think it is a game changer or even contender in the world of carry pistols.
 
Ive never shot one as they arent super common. I do fully suppport innovation and new designs but i have to say i think its an answer to a question that no one would ever ask. Simple is better 100% of the time in my opinion, unless an item must be complicated to function which isnt the case on the bullpup. If you like it, buy it. But i dont think it is a game changer or even contender in the world of carry pistols.

I would love to own one, at least from everything I have read.I love the shape and specs. Short, but fast.

Here is a good review even if a little older. It has 5 parts to the review.

http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2012/04/wish-list-update-boberg-xr9-s-review.html
 
I would love to own one, at least from everything I have read.I love the shape and specs. Short, but fast.

Here is a good review even if a little older. It has 5 parts to the review.

http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2012/04/wish-list-update-boberg-xr9-s-review.html

That was a good read, but it's for the Boberg, so although they're almost the same gun, that one won't include the (small but quite significant) reliability upgrades Bond made to the design.

I don't put much stock in "professional" reviews, as you can never tell who's paying for it, but for what it's worth, I haven't seen a bad review of the Bullpup from a published outfit.

I know TTAG loved theirs:
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/01/jon-wayne-taylor/gun-review-bond-arms-bullpup-9mm/
(Full disclosure, I got mine before they did and already decided it was a keeper before I saw their review, so at least in this case I figured they were on the level...)
 
I haven't achieved total confidence in the reliability of my Boberg 45 which is why I don't rely on it as a carry gun. The 9 with Bond mods may be a lot better. I DID send the bbl and locking block to Robar for NP3 treatment to eliminate the need for the special yucky grease. I understand the Bond doesn't require that grease.
 
That was a good read, but it's for the Boberg, so although they're almost the same gun, that one won't include the (small but quite significant) reliability upgrades Bond made to the design.

I don't put much stock in "professional" reviews, as you can never tell who's paying for it, but for what it's worth, I haven't seen a bad review of the Bullpup from a published outfit.

I know TTAG loved theirs:
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/01/jon-wayne-taylor/gun-review-bond-arms-bullpup-9mm/
(Full disclosure, I got mine before they did and already decided it was a keeper before I saw their review, so at least in this case I figured they were on the level...)

Yes, I mentioned it was a older review.You comment about "Professional reviews"? Now sure you can call Bruce a professional reviewer. Maybe, but I have followed him for years as he is a Pocket gun Enthusiast like myself. I have found his reviews to be honest and straight forward, no nonsense. I especially like his review of the Ruger LCR9mm, which finalized my decision to purchase one about 3-4 years ago. His review of that gun was spot on and I have never looked back. Same with a number of other guns.
If the Bullpup was good back when he wrote the article, then Bravo to the fact that it has now improved further.
 
I haven't achieved total confidence in the reliability of my Boberg 45 which is why I don't rely on it as a carry gun. The 9 with Bond mods may be a lot better. I DID send the bbl and locking block to Robar for NP3 treatment to eliminate the need for the special yucky grease. I understand the Bond doesn't require that grease.

Nope, just normal lubrication.

Yes, I mentioned it was a older review.You comment about "Professional reviews"? Now sure you can call Bruce a professional reviewer.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was talking about reviews in magazines and established "big gun blogs" and such. No disrespect meant to that writer in particular.
 
To say the gun is not a serious carry is ridiculous. In some way's it reminds me of the Beretta Nano which is a very mild gun to shoot. And they claim that shooting the Bond/Boberg is a very mild shooting Micro 9mm and I would believe it is. It is small, very compact, and high quality. I think the only negative is cost. It is not mass produced like the rest of the guns and going to cost more. I wonder if some bigger manufacture bought the copyrights to the gun and mass produced it and sold it at a more reasonable price, they would sell very well. Every actual owner I have seen has praised these guns very highly. They love them. If others actually shot one and then if the gun shoots like the owners say they do, yes, they would be a big hit.
Mild Shooting, Micro compact, high quality. Seems like a really nice combination. If I bought one, I would not consider it a "NOVELTY" gun, I would consider it a serious EDC.
 
I haven't achieved total confidence in the reliability of my Boberg 45 which is why I don't rely on it as a carry gun. The 9 with Bond mods may be a lot better. I DID send the bbl and locking block to Robar for NP3 treatment to eliminate the need for the special yucky grease. I understand the Bond doesn't require that grease.

Rodentman, not to get off subject, but how do you like the Robar NP3? Thinking of sending my Nano up to them. Did you get the receiver done are other parts as well?
 
On the Boberg I just got the bbl and locking block done. I did have my H&K P7 completely done as I didn't much care for the purplish color of the slide. It was a used W German police piece. They did a great job, looks great and cleans up easily. Arguably I may have lost "collector value" by having that done but I don't care about that.
 
Anyone know anything about the Bond Arms Bullpup ?
It looks interesting but a bit pricey for a 9mm.
There is one at the local gun store. Nice fit and finish but not sure about that feed system.

My wife and I have both a Boberg and a Bond Arms. The Boberg is my wife's carry gun. They both function like a dream and when properly holstered they are designed in a way they become blazingly fast to present and acquire close range targets.

People that don't own them complain about the proper ammo issue and their cost. People that actually own them complain about neither.
 
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