swapped out stabilizing braces on my AR15 pistol

AK103K · Jul 3, 2019

460Shooter said:
Cough...………….. Umm, yeah I saw that once. In a place. You know they were following the law and stuff.

I brought this up in the beginning here.

And if youve been following along, while it seems to be a grey area, and a workaround at this point, its not "currently" unlawful, to shoulder the the braces. So doing so, doesnt necesarily violate any rules or laws.

I just find it annoying, that people think they are being coy, by making the insinuation, they are getting over on someone or thing.

And it still pisses me off, that no one seems to be willing to take it to court and challenge the whole silly thing.

Seriously, if this isnt a big slap in our faces, showing us who is really the boss, then what is? We are either free to exercise our rights, or we arent. And I think its pretty obvious, we arent.
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Zaydok Allen · Jul 3, 2019

AK103K said:
I brought this up in the beginning here.

And if youve been following along, while it seems to be a grey area, and a workaround at this point, its not "currently" unlawful, to shoulder the the braces. So doing so, doesnt necesarily violate any rules or laws.

I just find it annoying, that people think they are being coy, by making the insinuation, they are getting over on someone or thing.

And it still pisses me off, that no one seems to be willing to take it to court and challenge the whole silly thing.

Seriously, if this isnt a big slap in our faces, showing us who is really the boss, then what is? We are either free to exercise our rights, or we arent. And I think its pretty obvious, we arent.
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I agree. When the very first Sig brace came out I started a thread basically saying, "Yeah that's not a stock. Sure". It's a blatant work around.

When the ATF tried to say you can't shoulder it, I mean come on. So not only does the gov regulate what we can have, but how we can use what we have? If what you are doing isn't putting others in danger, they have no right IMO.

The SBR registration thing is ridiculous.

rws_53 · Jul 3, 2019

AlexanderA said:
"Braces" and AR "pistols," generally, are going to be low-hanging fruit once an antigun administration takes over. These are workarounds in order to have an unregistered SBR. It's going to be a replay of the bump stock fiasco. If we're lucky, they will be grandfathered by being allowed to be registered as regular SBR's. (That's possible because there's no equivalent Hughes Amendment for SBR's.) Anyway, keep this in mind before you invest too heavily in these things.

if the time comes simply add a 16" or longer barrel and magically it's a rifle

BLB68 · Jul 4, 2019

rws_53 said:
if the time comes simply add a 16" or longer barrel and magically it's a rifle

I'd just toss out the brace and submit the SBR paperwork, then wait. It's not really that expensive, just a bit of a hassle. (Not that it should be a rule in the first place, but it's less onerous now than it was when $200 went a lot further.)

drobs · Jul 4, 2019

AlexanderA said:
"Braces" and AR "pistols," generally, are going to be low-hanging fruit once an antigun administration takes over. These are workarounds in order to have an unregistered SBR. It's going to be a replay of the bump stock fiasco. If we're lucky, they will be grandfathered by being allowed to be registered as regular SBR's. (That's possible because there's no equivalent Hughes Amendment for SBR's.) Anyway, keep this in mind before you invest too heavily in these things.

Just pin and weld a long flash hider or muzzle brake on them like we did back in the 1990's.
https://www.del-ton.com/AR-15-Flash-Hider-p/bp1017.htm
https://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=406

ATLDave · Jul 4, 2019

AlexanderA said:
"Braces" and AR "pistols," generally, are going to be low-hanging fruit once an antigun administration takes over. These are workarounds in order to have an unregistered SBR. It's going to be a replay of the bump stock fiasco. If we're lucky, they will be grandfathered by being allowed to be registered as regular SBR's. (That's possible because there's no equivalent Hughes Amendment for SBR's.) Anyway, keep this in mind before you invest too heavily in these things.

Yep, the bump stock approach can be copied-and-pasted on this one.

Zaydok Allen · Jul 4, 2019

I’m a little surprised binary triggers haven’t been heavily targeted yet.

ATLDave · Jul 4, 2019

Most anti-gunners aren't even aware of binary triggers. That's another item in the grey area of the NFA... which makes it subject to administrative discretion (at the direction of the president).

ROCK6 · Jul 4, 2019

BLB68 said:
The SBA4 is a bit beefier. I wonder if that solves this issue?

Not really. I have the SBA4 and still prefer the SBA3. It does look more "stock like" for that retro "commando" look, but it's a little awkward and IMHO, not really an upgrade. If someone was asking, I would tell them to get the SBA3 over the SBA4 if you want better function than looks.

ROCK6

AlexanderA · Jul 4, 2019

ATLDave said:
Most anti-gunners aren't even aware of binary triggers. That's another item in the grey area of the NFA... which makes it subject to administrative discretion (at the direction of the president).

There are a lot of things that the antigunners apparently aren't aware of. But they will become aware of them once there's a incident involving them. Since the antigun movement is based on feelings rather than solid information, it's highly reactive to "incidents." (Which of course are magnified by the equally ignorant press.) Our worst nightmare is if a few true gun experts join forces with the antigunners.

BLB68 · Jul 5, 2019

ROCK6 said:
Not really. I have the SBA4 and still prefer the SBA3. It does look more "stock like" for that retro "commando" look, but it's a little awkward and IMHO, not really an upgrade. If someone was asking, I would tell them to get the SBA3 over the SBA4 if you want better function than looks.

Thanks. I'm going to be building a pistol soon, so this helps.

Gone Hiking · Jul 5, 2019

If you haven't considered it, take a look at Gear Head Works Tailhook Mod 2 brace. It's also adjustable but uses a rigid plastic clamshell for the brace instead of the flexible rubber wings and velcro strap like SB's options. Prices have fallen significantly under MSRP since they were launched, to the point they are now in line with the likes of an SBA3. The best I've found is $103, and IMO, they are much nicer than SB's options.

giggitygiggity · Jul 6, 2019

AK103K said:
Ive been trying to figure out how that brace, is any different than the standard slider "stock", and how one is a stock, and the other a "brace".

It’s completely different!

If you keep asking questions like that, the ATF might just decide to reverse their most recent brace ruling, outlaw them, or do something else dumb. If history has proven anything, it is that anything fun, practical, convenient, and/or cool has a high probability of being outlawed or highly restricted (machineguns, bump stocks, easy eform Form 1s using trusts, etc).

AK103K · Jul 7, 2019

giggitygiggity said:
It’s completely different! If you keep asking questions like that, the ATF might just decide to reverse their most recent brace ruling, outlaw them, or do something else dumb. If history has proven anything, it is that anything fun, practical, convenient, and/or cool has a high probability of being outlawed or highly restricted (machineguns, bump stocks, easy eform Form 1s using trusts, etc).

See, its thinking like this, that is why we are where we are today. :thumbup:

If histroty has proven anything, its that we are willing to allow those who are supposed to be serving us, to tell us what we can and can not have or do.

Just out of curiosty here, for those that have these newer braces/stocks, have you actually tried to use is as its supposed to be used?

My son just got one, and said it feels exaclty like his stocked AR when shoulderd, and he cant even get it on his forearm, to use it as its supposed to be used.

ROCK6 · Jul 12, 2019

AK103K said:
Just out of curiosty here, for those that have these newer braces/stocks, have you actually tried to use is as its supposed to be used?

My son just got one, and said it feels exaclty like his stocked AR when shoulderd, and he cant even get it on his forearm, to use it as its supposed to be used.

Some work better than others. I actually like those such as the Tailhook (original and Mod 2) braces. Ironically, they work much like the old SPAS 12 shotgun and I've found they work extremely well if doing drills from inside a vehicle as it gives you much more support if using one-hand. Still, the value of braces outside of use from an amputee, is that it proves how ridiculous the NFA is regarding SBS's and SBRs. The waters are so muddy and the regulations so convoluted and confusing, it's simply idiocy and moronic.

ROCK6

gotboostvr · Jul 14, 2019

Double tap

gotboostvr · Jul 14, 2019

@AK103K
I'll agree with @ROCK6 that the Tailhook's are very effective. They're very easy to deploy, and are reminiscent of the SPAS12 hook.

I'm a big fan of mine on my CZ Scorpion. I've got the mod1 personally.

MistWolf · Jul 19, 2019

BLB68 said:
The SBA4 is a bit beefier. I wonder if that solves this issue?

Better yet is adding the Split Fix to the SBA3. It keeps the wings from folding in on themselves and protects them from taking a set from distortion.

AlexanderA said:
"Braces" and AR "pistols," generally, are going to be low-hanging fruit once an antigun administration takes over. These are workarounds in order to have an unregistered SBR. It's going to be a replay of the bump stock fiasco. If we're lucky, they will be grandfathered by being allowed to be registered as regular SBR's. (That's possible because there's no equivalent Hughes Amendment for SBR's.) Anyway, keep this in mind before you invest too heavily in these things.

Instead of dire predictions, we should be encouraging people to own as many braced pistols as possible. Live free and make it impossible for the would be tyrants to infringe on our liberties. Less doom and gloom. More shooting.

BLB68 · Jul 20, 2019

MistWolf said:
Better yet is adding the Split Fix to the SBA3. It keeps the wings from folding in on themselves and protects them from taking a set from distortion.

How does that jibe with the no modifying of an arm brace's originally approved configuration? I remember a plug for the end of the Kak brace got shot down a while back.

MistWolf · Jul 20, 2019

BLB68 said:
How does that jibe with the no modifying of an arm brace's originally approved configuration? I remember a plug for the end of the Kak brace got shot down a while back.

Because it doesn't modify the brace. The Split fix is simply a replacement Velcro strap that supports and protects the brace wings. The strap still functions the same as the factory strap, allowing the shooter to strap the brace to their arm.

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Don't pogo a stuck case while the SBA3 is on the AR. I made that mistake. The cap was knocked out and lost.

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