GET YOUR MONEY TOGETHER!!!!

In comparison, my Lee Auto Breech Lock Pro has been boringly trouble-free

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Yeah, so has mine. It just works every time I walk up to it. I've grown very fond of that little press.
It will be interesting to see if they changed the arrangement of the stations, I really doubt they did though.

GW Staar said:

That would be nice. Here's the picture going around.....maybe a Dillon user can tell more. Looks a lot like a 650 to me.....with a taller throat, a better "linear" priming system, and smoother indexing, Dillon says.
Case feed is still on the handle side......so feeding 1 at a time isn't practical. Save up for the collator or convert to a longer feeder tube.

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They sure are certainly similar! Funny how they set them up the same way. You can see that they changed to the primer slide bar, similar to a 550? In the first picture. It sure looks like a whole lot going on in that one section of the press!

I’d like to pick up a second press. Maybe this one will win.

My 550 works.

GW Staar said:

That would be nice. Here's the picture going around.....maybe a Dillon user can tell more. Looks a lot like a 650 to me.....with a taller throat, a better "linear" priming system, and smoother indexing, Dillon says.
Case feed is still on the handle side......so feeding 1 at a time isn't practical. Save up for the collator or convert to a longer feeder tube.

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That photo is just a 650 with a 550 priming system. Not to mention the fail safe rod isn’t hooked up to anything because the 550 system is where the bracket is supposed to be.

Would be a step back IMO as the 650 has the most reliable primer feeding system out of all progressives I have used.

I don’t think I am alone in that opinion either, the guys and gals at mark 7 also used a rotary primer feed on their over $5000 Revolution press.

Just think of all the chaos this will cause on internet reloading forums and discussion at the gun ranges.!!

All posts will need to be edited from 650 to 750

Fights will start on "whats the best press for a newbie to buy". All those who have 650's will be belittled and the 750 will now be the best.
The Blue Team will have dissension in the ranks!

OH the Horror!

From this photo, it seems like they merely added a 550-type primer shuttle to the 650. Complete with the hanging rod and roller shuttle extraction. This is what they are calling a "Linear Priming System". This feature does away with unused primers and thus the need to have a primer "ski jump" or catch tray. It also makes conversion from small primers to large primers much easier, which was the bane of 650 owners everywhere. What this design adds is the complexity of the plastic primer release fingers at the bottom of the primer column, which the 650 did not have.

The "Index Roller Block" might mean that they are simply adding a roller bearing to the shellplate advancement cam, just like every 650 owner in the known universe already adds. Dillon just saved the prospective owner $15 !!

The 650 already has a "Spring Loaded Priming Station Case Locator". I suppose they may have replaced the nice, stamped metal, stainless steel gate with the simpler spring from the 550 as a cost reduction. This would be an even swap.

And true to Dillon advertising form, the picture they present shows a Bullet Tray, Roller Handle, Powder Hopper Alarm, Strong Mount, Empty Case Alarm and several other costly accessories, so it's hard to see through the fluff to tell what we really have.

► Just as interesting though is what they did NOT add.... They still have the idiotic 1980's spent primer catch tray. Unbelievable! A snout to connect a hose for clean and care-free spent primer disposal would have meant a step into the 21st Century for a cleaner reloading environment, and an aid in primer brass recycling.

And they apparently have not improved the lubrication of the ram with the simple addition of a zerk fitting.

To me, cleaner spent primer handling and better press lubrication are 2 of the additional features they could easily and inexpensively add to match features with the Hornady LNL AP. But they apparently have not.

But the whole story is yet to be told. Let's wait and see.

Wonder if you Dillon guys can offer any light in how they might of increased throat size to load longer cartridges without pouring a new mold? Casting looks identical. Ram design different?

jmorris said:

Would be a step back IMO as the 650 has the most reliable primer feeding system out of all progressives I have used.

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Jmorris' thought on the priming system change is most interesting. Been looking at other forums on this, and a Dillon spokesman, actually said (can't remember exact words) that the press will no longer go boom, boom, boom? I never did know how primer detonations on the 650 actually occurred.....but obviously jmorris doesn't think going back to the 550 system is the best answer.... Usually, we are our own worst enemies. Maybe the 550 system is more idiot proof, and they are tired of replacing blackened, mangled parts. I can certainly relate to that.

Being a 5-station RCBS Pro 2000 owner who had visions of maybe drinking some blue koolaid, I have to say I'm disappointed to see the XL750 still has only 5 stations instead of the 6 I was sorta hoping for. If it had 6, I would be sorely tempted, but....? Maybe Dillon 650 owners appreciate the other improvements more than I do.

Six stations would be ideal. Use of a "Mr. Bullet" feeder should not negate use of the powder check station.

higgite said:

Being a 5-station RCBS Pro 2000 owner who had visions of maybe drinking some blue koolaid, I have to say I'm disappointed to see the XL750 still has only 5 stations instead of the 6 I was sorta hoping for. If it had 6, I would be sorely tempted, but....? Maybe Dillon 650 owners appreciate the other improvements more than I do.

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The XL750 isn't, evidently, a new press.....it is an improved press. I'm looking forward to the improved Pro Chucker 7, hoping its not a "new" press again.... nor one that takes 25 years to improve. Necessary tweaking aside, I'm really getting used to 7 stations.

GW Staar said:

This isn't a new press.....it is an improved press. I'm looking forward to the improved Pro Chucker 7, hoping its not a "new" press again....and doesn't take 25 years to improve. Necessary tweaking aside, I'm really getting used to 7 stations.

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Not to derail this thread, but is there an improved Pro Chucker 7 on the horizon?

How many different progressive presses has RCBS had in the past 26 years?

The only way to detonate primers on a 650 is to A) Be a complete and total idiot that forces things, B) Put a motor drive on it.

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GW Staar said:

Dillon spokesman, actually said (can't remember exact words) that the press will no longer go boom, boom, boom? I never did know how primer detonations on the 650 actually occurred.....but obviously jmorris doesn't think going back to the 550 system is the best answer.... Usually, we are our own worst enemies. Maybe the 550 system is more idiot proof, and they are tired of replacing blackened, mangled parts. I can certainly relate to that.

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The only way to detonate primers on a 650 is to A) Be a complete and total idiot that forces things, B) Put a motor drive on it.

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When I started reloading on 550 and Pro 1000, I crushed a lot of primers on Pro 1000 as I was a newbie idiot and forced things ... but never had a detonation.

Never had a detonation in my 650 or 550 either.

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Not to derail this thread, but is there an improved Pro Chucker 7 on the horizon?

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Not a clue except for a vague statement at the shot show, from the "new" marketing manager about new things this summer.....so far not a hint. They better hurry....summer almost over. And I wonder who else quit or got fired at RCBS besides Kent Sakamoto?

Texas10mm said:

How many different progressive presses has RCBS had in the past 26 years?

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5? The only good one was the Pro2K.....unless they get these Pro Chucker Twins right for non-hacker customers.

Texas10mm said:

The only way to detonate primers on a 650 is to A) Be a complete and total idiot that forces things, B) Put a motor drive on it.

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bds said:

When I started reloading on 550 and Pro 1000, I crushed a lot of primers on Pro 1000 as I was a newbie idiot and forced things ... but never had a detonation.

Never had a detonation in my 650 or 550 either.

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Bulls in China Closets? Must be a lot of those in reloading.....I even heard of one happening with the RCBS APS system.....but the damage was only 3 primers and a mangled plastic primer strip as a result of the safety of strip vs. tube......and then RCBS went back to tubes......

Speaking of Bulls......seems all the early adopters broke things on the new RCBS presses.....over and over. A year and 2 months later, I still have my original primer slides and advance levers.....am I special? No, it's just that when something hangs while stroking any progressive....stop and see what stupid thing you just did, don't power it through. Same advice goes for this new version of Dillon's 5-station press. Just because it's blue, doesn't mean you can stroke it without a care.

I've never set a primer off from rough handling in 47years of reloading. I have have 3 progressives and one single stage press.

Bulls in China Closets? Must be a lot of those in reloading....

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I guess so. Wow!

Rule3 said:

Just think of all the chaos this will cause on internet reloading forums and discussion at the gun ranges.!!

All posts will need to be edited from 650 to 750

Fights will start on "whats the best press for a newbie to buy". All those who have 650's will be belittled and the 750 will now be the best.
The Blue Team will have dissension in the ranks!

OH the Horror!

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I'm already dreading it.

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GW Staar said:

Speaking of Bulls......seems all the early adopters broke things on the new RCBS presses.....over and over. A year and 2 months later, I still have my original primer slides and advance levers.....am I special? No, it's just that when something hangs while stroking any progressive....stop and see what stupid thing you just did, don't power it through. Same advice goes for this new version of Dillon's 5-station press. Just because it's blue, doesn't mean you can stroke it without a care.

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This should be in the instructions on every press.

kidneyboy said:

This should be in the instructions on every press.

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You are working under the assumption that people read instructions.

tightgroup tiger said:

I've never set a primer off from rough handling in 47years of reloading. I have have 3 progressives and one single stage press.

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Before Internet forums were a “thing” I had heard gun shop talk about folks setting off primers seating them. At that point I, myself had mangled a few learning but had never set one off. So I actually crushed some completely flat in a bench vise and they didn’t go off, so I dismissed it as all the other BS you hear in gun shops.

Now there is a lot more evidence available and I was called by a friend, I was traveling to an out of State match with the next day, to help as he was having problems with his press and time was running out.

So I go over and begin sorting the problem child out as he moves to another press, already frustrated. I can tell he’s having problems with it as well and in short order he lights off a tube of primers. So I know for certain it can happen but you have to break a number of my rules in order to do so.

Treat reloading like you would a woman, if something doesn’t feel right, stop and walk away, avoid contact if you are upset or angry and forcing things will only result in a negative outcome.

jmorris said:

Treat reloading like you would a woman, if something doesn’t feel right, stop and walk away, avoid contact if you are upset or angry and forcing things will only result in a negative outcome.

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I think that's good advice for any progressive, any priming system.

I was just at the Dillon site in behalf of a friend who was wondering about ordering a 650 before they are gone. I was checking out the situation. (I'm sure people like Grafs still have them.)

Anyway I thought I'd report what I found. At Dillon, they no longer list the price of a basic 650 press.....there is a message that says do not attempt to order one over the internet, but call them instead.....and listed the number. Interesting....you can speculate all you want, but I'm guessing they are getting ready to change some things.

You guys who prefer the rotary priming system may want to order one while they are still available.

Just returned from Graf's website.....they still have 650's but with the following note after each caliber:

Less than 5 in stock
Backorders not accepted when out of stock
Item #: DP16940

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jmorris said:

So I actually crushed some completely flat in a bench vise and they didn’t go off, so I dismissed it as all the other BS you hear in gun shops ... I know for certain it can happen but you have to break a number of my rules in order to do so.

... if something doesn’t feel right, stop and walk away, avoid ... forcing things

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Words of wisdom.

Kind of funny when I got my first 1050 I was kind of upset that they picked the priming system from the SD and 550 to copy. Will be interesting to see the values between the two over time.

The only advantage to the new system will be converting sizes. For a lot of potential users, they just cut their sales in half

I remembered them bringing out some “new and improved” case prep machines at the SHOT show.

I don’t see them on their website but this is one.



And old Dillon guy will notice that it’s just an old style RL1050 stripped down. Made me wonder why they didn’t use the current Super 1050 linkage? Having both I think it’s because the older design is better but it just doesn’t have the stroke for rounds longer than 223 (for loading at least).