RELOADING .30-30 Winchester

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My plan is to reload .30-30 Winchester this winter. I have a 550B set up with Lee dies. I would like to know what else is needed to reload this ammo. Thanks and any information is greatly appreciated.
 
Just a heads up: when setting up your sizing die, be careful how far you are setting the shoulder back. .30-30 brass offers very little resistance when sizing, and it is easy to overwork the brass, shortening case life. It took me a while to figure out why I was cracking shoulders within 3 loadings, with relatively mild charges and a modern rifle. Setting the Lee die according to the directions (1/4 turn after touching the shell plate) resulted in bumping the shoulder back 0.028" every time. I adjusted to barely touching the shoulder, verified chambering, and haven't had another cracked shoulder.
 
tightgroup tiger,I have a powder measure for all my die sets. I just ordered a powder trickler. Is it easier to get the powder right by using a funnel, powder thru die & a trickler? The books and scales I already have. I'm not a total "newbie". I have been loading my own .45ACP & .357mag. for around three years. Do I need a case trimmer? Who makes a good one?
 
I use a lee trimmer on all my rifle rounds, measure all and trim to the shortest length, you should put a light crimp on tube feed cartridges. I also like the lee factory crimp. I like 150gr rn in my 30-30 better than the ones that have the plastic tips.
 
I never found that I needed a case trimmer for 30-30 shells. Most of the chambers in lever actions are generous to say the least. Especially the older Winchester 94s.
With IMR 3031 I have always used a scale, powder trickler, and funnel to load the powder in the case.
Most powder measure don't work well with the long, extruded powder that the older recipe IMRs usually are made from.
I don't run Dillon either so you may want to try some experiments in that measure before spending any money on new anything.

I head space my cases in my '52 Marlin and '46 Winchester off the shoulder instead of the rim on the head of the case.
If the chamber in your rifle happens to be to long to do this then you have to use the rim to headspace and like "badkarmabib" said you will have short cartridge life.
I don't bump my shoulders on cases for my Winchester, but for my Marlin, I have to bump the shoulder back a few thousands to chamber reliably. It has a tighter chamber so unless I segregate my Win and Marlin brass, which I'm not going to do, I set my dies for the Marlin and they catch the Winchester brass and then it all works.
 
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I shoot the 130 grain Hornaday softpoint with 36.0 grains of 30-31 in my Contender with 10" barrel. Get 1950 FPS and near one hole groups (from a bench rest) at 50 yards. This load probably would not work in anything but a single shot rifle or pistol. Definitely not in a tube feed gun.
 
It's not a hard cartridge to load for but if you are using a rifle with a tube magazine you definitely need to crimp you loads and use only bullets the are made for 30-30. No spire points.
The pointed bullets can set each other off in the tube magazine.
The round nose and flat nose 30-30 bullet are made for tube magazines.
Hornady also make a 30-30 bullet that has a really soft rubber points that won't set off a chain fire in the tube but they may or may not reliable feed with the carrier in your rifle.
https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/rifle/30-30-win-160-gr-ftx-leverevolution#!/
They have a better ballistic coefficient than the round or flat nose if you can feed them.
 
I will be shooting these in a lever gun ( a Winchester 94 AE). I bought the Lee Ultimate 4 die set . It came with a factory crimp die. I think I read some where that if they were shot in my rifle I need to use the neck sizing die and don't need to use the full length sizing die. Is this true?
 
I highly recommend measuring how far the bullet has to jump before it touches the lands in the throat. In my Marlin 336.


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the bullet has to jump 0.2" before it touches the lands at cartridge maximum OAL. That is, if the cartridge length is a less than or equal to 2.550" I can eject a loaded round. If the the cartridge OAL is 2.60" or more, I have to remove the lever screw, remove the lever and bolt, and then with medical forceps, I can remove the round from the loading port. And for my bullets to be set out long enough to reach the throat, the cartridge OAL has to be 2.750" . So, just from measuring bullet jump, you can understand just what limitations you can expect in terms of accuracy. Generally, when a bullet jumps two tenths of an inch before it touches the rifling, you will never, ever, develop a load that shoots sub MOA, or even MOA. As you can see from my targets, my Marlin will with its best loads, shoot somewhere between 2 and 3 MOA out to 200 yards, with 3 MOA being pretty good for this rifle.

My rifle really liked N135. My loads are way above any manual maximum, but that is primarily due to the chamber being cut with something more resembling a Polish sausage than a reamer. My chamber is as huge as the throat is deep. I talked to Marlin just at the turn of the century, and Customer Service explicitly told me they built their rifles for the guys who shoot at most, 50 to 75 yards. That was their customer, and their customer was no marksman and their customer seldom, if ever cleaned their rifles. So understanding who their customer is, it made sense to ream huge chambers that rats could build nests inside of, the mechanism could be rusty, and yet the rifle could still eject a fired round.

I tried to develop loads that pushed a 170 grain bullet 2150 fps. This rifle is extremely sensitive to velocity extreme spreads. Powders, such as N135, which give tight velocity extreme spreads, gave the best accuracy. Also, in my Marlin, the rifle shot the best within a very limited velocity range. The closer I got to factory velocities, the rounder and smaller the groups. A 150 grain bullet is about a 2250 fps affair.

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IMR 3031 was a good choice

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I bumped the load up a half grain because I was still below my goal of 2150 fps, and took the rifle to CMP Talladega. I don't know what the exact velocity is, but it shot well enough to be a viable hunting load at 200 yards.

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Accurate Arms 4064 shot surprisingly well. But notice the huge elevation changes a grain of powder makes in the point of impact. I am of the opinion that lever actions are about as rigid as a trampoline, and therefore the dynamics of the rifle are extremely sensitive to the energy input of the cartridge.


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Kept on bumping up the charge, don't have the velocity for this either, but it shot well at 200 yards

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I am going to recommend IMR 3031 for this cartridge. I used up all of my 1960's IMR 3031 and never wanted to buy any again for the stuff was long grained and threw poorly in my Dillion 550B. But, IMR has changed IMR 3031 and it is a short cut powder. IMR 3031 is a pre WW2 powder and shoots well in the 308 Win and is an accurate load in the 30-06 and the 223. It is not a velocity champ in the larger cases, but it shoots well. I have found references to IMR 3031 being a factory powder in the 30-30 prior to WW2, so it has a good track record.

I went with 170 grain bullets because this is such a short range weapon, that any added velocity you get with 150 grain bullets, barely affects the trajectory (within hunting distances) and I believe a 170 grain bullet will make a deeper wound channel, all things being equal.

Vihtavuori was my best performing powder, but the stuff is too expensive and the shelf life is only 20 years. There are lots of posts where 20 year old Vihtavuori powder went bad.

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Other than thin brass that will collapse at the neck if your seating die isn't set up right, 30-30 is about the easiest bottleneck cartridge to load for.

IMR3031 for jacketed, 4198 for cast. That long neck lends itself to 170 cast bullets.

Enjoy.

You beat me to it... and exactly what I was going to say.

I've probably ruined more .30-30 brass by crushing the neck or shoulder during seating/crimping, than all my other rounds combined. I don't use the Lee FCD, it's supposed to bypass some of the issues with crimping, particularly with brass that isn't all even in length, but I don't know.

And, yes... IMR3031 for jacketed 170's, IMR4198 for cast 170's...
 
You will probably have trouble neck sizing for a lever action, even if fired in the same rifle. That mostly only works with bolt actions. I full length size my .30-30s just enough to chamber and close the bolt easily. Lever actions just don't have the camming force to close the bolt on a round that's not quite sized enough, so its easy to end up with rounds you can't fire.

IMR3031 is about the only powder I've used in the .30-30, but it works great with my cast 170gr boolits at about 3/4 power level.
 
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