Pistol > 50 yrs old. Still need an FFL?

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On multiple occasions, I have had handguns sent to me (I have an 03) via USPS by FFL Dealers, so I think that the ignorance (and/or "blind eye") of this particular aspect of the USPS regs is rather widespread.
It is, but that doesn't change the fact that it's illegal.
Sadly, few members of this forum, the shooting sports community or the public at large shows much interest in educating themselves on laws that if violated, could cause them to never own or possess a firearm again. That's sad.

Federal gun laws are EASY to find....www.atf.gov is the place to start.
 
You all are right about what the issue for me would be. Sending a handgun the legal way would be REALLY expensive for me [and if I added that cost to the shipping price, ppl would probably riot]. I mean, using an FFL is expensive enough,....but still less than half what it would be otherwise.
 
Wrong.
1. Again, there IS NO LIST of firearms that are not C&R, just as there is NO LIST of antiques that are not C&R. I'll repeat....NO LIST. If you think there is....then provide a link to such list.
2. "Antiques", meaning . "Any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; and (b) any replica of any firearm described in paragraph (a) of this definition if such replica (1) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or (2) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade." That's a cut/paste from ATF regulation 478.11
3. Firearms meeting the definition of "antique" are exempt from the requirements of the Gun Control Act.
4. "Antiques" don't need to be on a "list", because ALL FIREARMS MEETING THE ABOVE DEFINITION are "antiques" under Federal law.
Ok chief.....there are no antiques.
 
That's odd...I recieved a 'list' with my C&R license
The only one of those lists that I looked thru was the one that I received with my first 03 in 2002.

If memory serves, the only real value of that list (for me) was the fact that it documented a number of "special case" firearms that had been given C&R status even though they were not yet 50 years old.

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BTW, Welcome to THR, scott klaverkamp! We are happy to have you on-board! :)
 
That's odd...I recieved a 'list' with my C&R license.
The ATF "curios and relics" list is made up of guns that are (or were) less than 50 years old, but that qualified for a special ATF determination based on some unique feature, rarity, etc. All guns that are at least 50 years old, by the current date, are automatically "curios and relics." Then you add the newer ones that are on the list. There is no list of guns that do not qualify.
 
The only one of those lists that I looked thru was the one that I received with my first 03 in 2002.

If memory serves, the only real value of that list (for me) was the fact that it documented a number of "special case" firearms that had been given C&R status even though they were not yet 50 years old.

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BTW, Welcome to THR, scott klaverkamp! We are happy to have you on-board! :)

Or some "odd" machine guns that fell into that class......as some one that THINKS they know it all.....example Chauchat for example...both the 8mm and the US 30 are on the "list that does not exist"
 
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Reading comprehension is not your strong suit, is it? Re-read line #4 of dogtown tom's last reply. Any firearm as defined by ATF regulation 478.11 is an antique. Period.

Try re-reading my post then wright something that reflects where I was coming from.
 
Try re-reading my post then wright something that reflects where I was coming from.
Ok chief.....there are no antiques.
Well, when you write "Ok chief" it sounds a bit smart-alecky.;) Followed by a conclusion that defies logic: "there are no antiques". It defies logic because I quoted the definition of "Antique firearm".
So...…..either you didn't read what I posted before commenting, or your reading comprehension failed you.

It's YOUR responsibility to write a coherent reply, not ours.
 
Well, when you write "Ok chief" it sounds a bit smart-alecky.;) Followed by a conclusion that defies logic: "there are no antiques". It defies logic because I quoted the definition of "Antique firearm".
So...…..either you didn't read what I posted before commenting, or your reading comprehension failed you.

It's YOUR responsibility to write a coherent reply, not ours.

Ok.....I will bow down you your all knowing statement.

Too bad your brilliant cut and past of what an antique is left a few things out.....me thinks you are not quite as informed as you make out to be.....an internet expert is here in our mitts
 
The only one of those lists that I looked thru was the one that I received with my first 03 in 2002.

If memory serves, the only real value of that list (for me) was the fact that it documented a number of "special case" firearms that had been given C&R status even though they were not yet 50 years old.

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BTW, Welcome to THR, scott klaverkamp! We are happy to have you on-board! :)

Or some "odd" machine guns that fell into that class......as some one that THINKS they know it all.....example Chauchat for example...both the 8mm and the US 30 are on the "list that does not exist"

??? o_O I responded to Scott's post, not one of your posts.

Please leave me out of your little contretemps.
 
Ok.....I will bow down you your all knowing statement.

Too bad your brilliant cut and past of what an antique is left a few things out.....me thinks you are not quite as informed as you make out to be.....an internet expert is here in our mitts
I didn't claim to be all knowing, but I do know when my brilliant cut and paste didn't leave anything out.;)
Rather than keep us all in suspense tell us what was missing from the ATF definition of "antique firearm" found here: https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-i...ab426cf925&mc=true&node=sp27.3.478.b&rgn=div6
 
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Yeah,...I forgot about the requirements of sending a pistol through the mail...that it has to go the expensive route. I'll just insist that it goes from my FFL.
Make sure the FFL includes insurance pricing when he ships it IF insurance is desired by the buyer. I have had FFL's ship guns that turned out to be not insured. There were no problems, but I tend to like insurance with firearms.

The last gun I shipped via UPS was Ground by the way. UPS did not insist on next day air. Still fairly expensive in comparison to USPS Priority mail.
 
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Make sure the FFL includes insurance pricing when he ships it IF insurance is desired by the buyer. I have had FFL's ship guns that turned out to be not insured. There were no problems, but I tend to like insurance with firearms.

The last gun I shipped via UPS was Ground by the way. UPS did not insist on next day air. Still fairly expensive in comparison to USPS Priority mail.
Remember, insurance protects the seller, not the buyer. A buyer deserves to get the product he paid for, in the condition as described or shown when he agreed to purchase.
If the item arrives damaged or is stolen, then the buyer is due his $$$$ back.
 
Long gun or handgun?
Handgun (revolver).' And yes, handgun was listed when I completed their computerized paperwork. I didn't expect this, but I didn't care if the gun got to the dealer in one day, two, or three as long as it got there.

Yes, the insurance protects the seller since if the gun is stolen or doesn't arrive as planned, the seller eats it. This may surprise you, but I am generally prepared to "eat it" regardless as long as the dealer didn't receive the gun as demonstrated by the tracking info.

If the buyer for some reason rejects the gun and it is shipped back to my dealer, I generally charge whatever fee I have to pay the FFL to take ownership of my gun again as long as the gun was as I described when I sold it.
 
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