TulAmmo Small Rifle Primers Question

From everything I've heard they work fine. Would I use them in a match, probably not but for range use and fun shooting, load them up, IMO of course.

Welcome to the forum.

you might want to do a search on this subject as we probably have discussed this before.

welcome to the high road.

murf

I have used many thousands of these primers and they work, as well as, any other brand of small rifle primer. Best wishes

They tend to be a small amount larger than US made primers as are all the metric ones. I find that l can get another use or two out of brass that has expanded primer pockets by using them. This also makes them a slight bit harder to seat in a standard size primer pocket. So be aware you might have to seat with more force.

Welcome to THR.

Markgrant69 said:

What's yalls opinion and or experience with TulAmmo Small Rifle Primers? A friend gave me 1k and I know nothing about them.

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Tula made two SR primers. Regular Tula SR primer I have is reddish/copper colored and Tula .223 primer is brass colored (perhaps with harder cup to prevent slam fire?).

Be sure to seat them below flush (.004" to .008") to prevent slamfires.

Both primer types have gone bang for me. Since you got them for free, I say load them up and shoot 'em (Note Glock striker indents on primer cups, picture from 9mm Major aspiration days where SR primers are used instead of SP primers)

Markgrant69 said:

It’s been discussed extensively but 6 to 8 years ago. I’m definitely looking for more recent info.

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By around 2011-13, particular lots of Tula SP primers were known to have harder cups which failed to consistently ignite and many buyers of Tula SP primers were left holding the bag swearing never to buy Tula SP primers again (AFAIK, other Tula primers like LP primers were not affected).

I myself experienced the same as they failed to reliably ignite in my Glocks but finally found the solution that when used in small primer 45ACP cases, they all ignited reliably (1911, M&P45, PT145) so I am using up the remainder of Tula SP primers in my 45 pistols. I outlined my extensive testing on this thread - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ts-your-experience.630512/page-3#post-7805786

Then in 2014, sale of Tula primers abruptly stopped and we haven't seen them since.

Tula primers are made in Russia and like Fiocchi primers made in Italy follow metric measurements and are very slightly on the larger diameter side, which makes seating them more difficult requiring greater effort. (Good thing is, if you have loose primer pocket brass, these larger primers will extend the life of brass use a bit longer).

I haven't with my ARs using various brand SR primers but I hand prime my .223/.308/.300 BLK brass to ensure primers are seated well below flush.

Maybe others who experienced slamfire can chime in.

The only slamfire I have had was testing some Fed 205M primers in my LR-6.5CM which has the JPI HP bolt assembly. This bolt assembly uses a lighter smaller FP than the std bolt to keep from getting primer flow. Remember that Federal are know to have the most sensitive primers. My standard choice of primers are CCI #41 and Rem 7.5. I've tested with match grade primers CCI BR4, Fed 205MAR and had no problem with them. Just don't use the Rem 6 1/2 primer, not designed for HP.

Welcome back to 2011! haha. Tula small rifle primers came in three flavors and as usual with products from overseas the nomenclature in English is all messed up: SR (thin copper colored cup, for typical small rifle loads), SR-M (same priming compound as SR, just with thicker brass colored cup. I think this one says "magnum" on the box, but it's not actually a magnum primer), then the "223" primer (thick cup, priming compound/amount for 5.56 loads. You know, the actual magnum SR primer).

I would first identify and confirm which one you have and then work up loads from there. I never used the regular SR's in an AR, but the SR-M's and 223 primers were good to go - always fired, no pierced primers.

I can confirm the problems with the Tula SP primers. Bought one brick locally since the price was good for the times. The good news was that they functioned 100% in any handgun that had a hammer - revolvers, DA/SA, etc. The problem was that they functioned 70% of the time in any striker fired handgun. Some people probably did not fully seat them. I know I did and still had problems at least with striker fired handguns.

I was very sorry when the Federal Government blocked the importation of Tula primers. I have about 10,000 of the large rifle and they were about the most consistent primer I ever used. Even though I am shooting ten shot groups, which statistically is not enough to determine a true mean, during load development it became obvious, that there was something real good about Tula primers.

They are at their best in rifles with strong ignition systems. Use them in AR's without any worry. The Russians had a lot of firearms with heavy, free floating firing pins, and they made their primers less sensitive so they would not have slamfires. They also made firearms that had robust ignition systems for nasty battlefield conditions in the cold. Tula primers have not been a problem in military weapons, but when it comes to candy ass civilian arms, with weak ignition systems, yes, they will misfire.

This is always a good primer, on primers:

It don't go bang, fires, misfires, hangfires and short order cooks

Slam nailed it. I remember 2 duds per 100 in standard production pistols with their SPP. For that reason I would not use them in competitions.

I have used a couple k of the .223 ones in my Mini-14 and AR and didn't have any issues.

IME Tula primers and the long since gone Wolf primers have given me the best ES/SD numbers using the exact same rifle and load vs CCI and Federal primers.

I'm specifically talking the large and small rifle primers, no experience with the pistol ones.

IIRC there were actually THREE versions of Tula small rifle primers.

BDS has already covered the first two types.

The third was a supposed "magnum" or "5.56" primer that was marketed as an arsenal type primer intended to reduce slamfire possibilities in semiautomatic rifles. I believe that this primer had a nickel plated cup.

Thanks Walkalong! Your data is a lot better than my fuzzy memories.

Weren't both Tula and Wolf marketing the exact same primers, all made by the Murom Apparatus Producing Plant in Vladimir Oblast Russia?

Slamfire said:

Tula primers......were about the most consistent primer I ever used.

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I’ve seen that stated by several people. I wish the supply would start flowing again. I’d like to try them

Walkalong said:

I copied and saved this from Wideners many years ago about the Wolf primers. I bought a bunch of the QQQSRM primers at $14 per K.

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I still have cases of Wolf from Wideners. When the shipped me a large order they messed up and sent 2 cases of the wrong size SR instead of SP (I had ordered both) I called them and explained. No problem. Keep them and we will send you the correct ones! To much hassle to return with haz mat and all that.

The were the best folks to order from. I bough lots of reloading and surplus firearms from them. I loved how he would write his test results so the customer did not have to!

For the OP just load and shoot those primers, they work and all the extraneous stuff is just that. They go bang!

[QUOTE="CarJunkieLS1, ]IME Tula primers and the long since gone Wolf primers have given me the best ES/SD numbers using the exact same rifle and load vs CCI and Federal primers.

I'm specifically talking the large and small rifle primers, no experience with the pistol ones.[/QUOTE]

Me too. Fortunately, I bought several cases. One use for me was about 1500 fireformed Ackley cases that eventually got loose primer pockets. Tula primers extended the life - still using them in those cases.

Only ever had one slamfire in shooting reloads in ARs since the mid 80s. It was expected since a primer had partially backed out on feeding. I saw the issue, thumbed the round into the chamber and pointed it downrange - slambang.