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Haven't shot my 1022 yet. And I've been looking at some of my local ranges to see what works for me. And some require you to watch a 30 minute safety video & take a written/graded test. And been wondering can you shoot inside a national forest out in the middle of nowhere part like in Osceola for instance? Just double checking as I don't want to violate any state statures. And my local outdoor gun ranges is 29 minutes away. And don't want to be scared off from ranges bye all the overbearing rules etc Just to target shoot my gun & break it in.
 
I'm guessing you are somewhere in Florida:
http://www.muck-boy.com/Shooting Ranges/Muckboy Florida Shooting Range Page.htm
OSC:
https://stateparks.com/osceola.html
Go to your nearest SF and ask a Ranger
If target shooting is what you are interested in, join a club.
Most rules are for safety/liability and may seem "overbearing" to you but once you join a club you'll find many have individual "pits" or firing lanes that can be used by individual members.
Once occupying a lane/pit as an individual/member you control the firing line, without any worries about the people shooting around you NOT following the rules.
I've been a member of several Florida clubs but have since moved away.

Know that shooting "out in the forest" without having a back stop (Florida AKA Flatistan) can be sketchy at best and having lived in Ocala, I know about and have experienced the "forest people" both in Ocala/Osceola Forest.
Good luck on your search for a place to shoot, I hope you find a safe/approved place where you don't have to constantly look over your shoulder or have someone steal your stuff while you are down range looking at your target:what:.
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I'm guessing you are somewhere in Florida:
http://www.muck-boy.com/Shooting Ranges/Muckboy Florida Shooting Range Page.htm
OSC:
https://stateparks.com/osceola.html
Go to your nearest SF and ask a Ranger
If target shooting is what you are interested in, join a club.
Most rules are for safety/liability and may seem "overbearing" to you but once you join a club you'll find many have individual "pits" or firing lanes that can be used by individual members.
Once occupying a lane/pit as an individual/member you control the firing line, without any worries about the people shooting around you NOT following the rules.
I've been a member of several Florida clubs but have since moved away.
Know that shooting "out in the forest" without having a back stop (Florida AKA Flatistan) can be sketchy at best and having lived in Ocala, I know about and have experienced the "forest people" in Osceola.
Good luck on your search for a place to shoot,
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Thanks for the info. And planning on building something like what this guy is using i decide to shoot out in the SF if we are giving the ok to shoot their. And welcome hope to find a good place that works for us.
 
Thanks for the info. And planning on building something like what this guy is using i decide to shoot out in the SF if we are giving the ok to shoot their. And welcome hope to find a good place that works for us.


That's a big NO! In my book. Not because they aren't trying to be safe, but because they have no way of protecting surrounding people in the event of an AD. If a pistol fell from the table or one of them tripped while shooting, there is nothing to prevent an errant bullet from hitting someone's house, property, or person. For that matter if a gun accidentally doubled i think you could guarantee the bullet goes over their backstop.

Sorry been around too many unsafe backyard shooters to approve.
 
Thanks for the info. And planning on building something like what this guy is using i decide to shoot out in the SF if we are giving the ok to shoot their. And welcome hope to find a good place that works for us.

Most municipal laws ban the discharge of any type of firearm, even BB/Pellet guns.
I spend my money on joining a club rather than building a backstop that cannot be used.
I'd say shoot in your basement but me thinks you don't have one:rofl:, and know an ND could go up thru the ceiling/floor and hit someone you love.
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I would recommend you go through the safety course at your local range. You may learn some valuable information and maybe some rainy day you could kill some time and have some fun shooting at the local range.
 
There are many advantages to joining a gun range. The most important part of using a firearm is safety and most gun ranges are heavy on safety content and that is the way it should be. The club I belong to requires all new member to go through a orientation class which stresses safety and club rules. For example, when going downrange to change targets a yellow flag is raised on the firing line, a horn is sounded, and no one is allowed to be on the firing line and no one is allowed to handle a firearm while members are down range. These rules may be firm but I feel safe at the range and I am able to use my firearms without any problems.

The club I belong to has many members and to get around the crowds I go at dawn and at dusk and many times I am the only one at the range. January, February, March and April are good months to spend time at the range because few members are there. Pick the time for your visits wisely and enjoy the range.
 
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Thanks for the info. And planning on building something like what this guy is using i decide to shoot out in the SF if we are giving the ok to shoot their. And welcome hope to find a good place that works for us.


That guy got a lot of coverage and the legislature's attention. All he did get was much stricter rules on shooting in areas zoned 'Residential'.
Do not be that guy.
 
Another way to look at the safety course is it is also protecting you from someone who didn't know any better before they took it. I'm assuming that once you pass it you are good to go from that point on.

It sounds like a reasonable thing to do to me.
 
. . . some require you to watch a 30 minute safety video & take a written/graded test. . . I don't want to be scared off from ranges bye all the overbearing rules etc. . .
Watch the video, obey the rules, learn from them. It'll be good practice. The most valuable thing you'll learn is to THINK before you touch/pick up/point/manipulate a weapon. That's a vital, and transferable skill.

I'm an RSO at my club, and the number of old hands who never learned to engage their brain before their fingers engaged the gun is amazing.

Go, learn, comply. You'll be a safer shooter for the experience.
 
I'm an RSO at my club, and the number of old hands who never learned to engage their brain before their fingers engaged the gun is amazing.
Sadly, it is some of the old codgers who never learned the rules who are the dangerous ones. We had a guy at the Trap range yesterday who would load (and chamber) a round immediately after firing, then put the gun on his hip, southern Sherriff style, with his finger in the trigger guard! Since it is not an ATA league, none of these actions were by themselves technically wrong, but together they were one huge safety violation. Sadly, the squad he shoots with have enough etiquette problems of their own, that I did not bring it up, it would have caused a big pissing contest. The club president showed up for the monthly meeting a hour after this happened; had he been there, I'd have had him simply watch the guy.
 
Haven't shot my 1022 yet. And I've been looking at some of my local ranges to see what works for me. And some require you to watch a 30 minute safety video & take a written/graded test. And been wondering can you shoot inside a national forest out in the middle of nowhere part like in Osceola for instance? Just double checking as I don't want to violate any state statures. And my local outdoor gun ranges is 29 minutes away. And don't want to be scared off from ranges bye all the overbearing rules etc Just to target shoot my gun & break it in.

Are you actually so pressed for time that you can't spare thirty minutes to watch a video where you will learn the range rules? Do you already know everything there is to know about firearms safety and feel you are above it all? 29 minutes to drive to the range? Color me unimpressed as my time is longer and there is no choice. Any other range and it's at least 100 miles for me to drive one way. I could shoot at other places on state land but that's out. Too many people that have no idea what safe gun handling is but I'm pretty sure they haven't watched a video and taken a test.

Do you drive? Did you have to take a written test and also a driving test before being granted a license? Consider the range test like the driving test and I'll bet the range video and test actually takes less time than getting a driver's license.
 
Just put in the time to go through the orientation at your local range. The safety practices they teach are good skills to follow outside the range. If everyone else there did it, it can't be that hard. If you have trouble with written questions as many people do just tell them so from the outset, I'm sure they will assist in any way they can.

As for shooting in the state/national forest, the laws are different in different locations, but where I am from it is technically illegal to shoot in the state forest for the purpose of target shooting, however there is often some flexibility to this as up here there are many spots, usually gravel pits, in the state and national forest that people go to shoot regularly. Your best bet to find places to shoot outside of the shooting range is to go to the shooting range or local gun shops and ask the other members if they know of any local spots that are safe to shoot at.

Please do not attempt to set up a backyard range unless you live in the country and have a good backstop and can reasonably control the space behind your range. A 22 will go several hundred yards with enough power left to kill someone.
 
Sadly, it is some of the old codgers who never learned the rules who are the dangerous ones. We had a guy at the Trap range yesterday who would load (and chamber) a round immediately after firing, then put the gun on his hip, southern Sherriff style, with his finger in the trigger guard! Since it is not an ATA league, none of these actions were by themselves technically wrong, but together they were one huge safety violation. Sadly, the squad he shoots with have enough etiquette problems of their own, that I did not bring it up, it would have caused a big pissing contest. The club president showed up for the monthly meeting a hour after this happened; had he been there, I'd have had him simply watch the guy.

You must be one of those young whippersnappers with that attitude. Anyone of any age can be a danger with a firearm, not just us well seasoned ones. Maybe the younger generations in your area have all the smarts but not in mine. I have seen many more dumb stunts and more disregard for good range manners from the younger than the older members at my range. That's one of the reasons I go to the range only on week days and very early in the morning when young guys are still asleep and it's mostly old guys there.
 
Omg that video. No.no.NO! Way to mess it up for the rest of us, buddy!

I looked once over the canal sometime before I started so therefore no one is in my shooting direction....jeez
WOW. :what: I wouldn't do it in such a densely populated area even it were allowed which in his case it may or not be depending on weasel words in their law.
EDIT: I can't tell what the "residential density" is but it looks like it's residential in nature and has more that one dwelling per acre.

I did some digging...
It looks like the law in Florida that pertains to this (1), which is very liberal, specifies a penalty of "misdemeanor of the first degree" punishable by up to 1 year in jail and a $1,000 fine (2,3). This wouldn't disqualify you from purchasing firearms in FL as far as I can tell. I wish that were the case where I live!!!

Safety aside, he could still be on thin ice with regards to the law with the "reasonableness" weasel word language in the statute. If I were him I would worry that someone would complain or get hurt, I would get charged under 790.15 and some judge/jury would hold that my shooting was "unreasonable".

This guy is also taking on a huge civil liability IMHO by shooting in what appears to be a densely populated area. Let's hope no one gets hurt and sues this guy for all he's worth.

Florida Statute:
790.15 Discharging firearm in public or on residential property.—

(1) Except as provided in subsection (2) or subsection (3), any person who knowingly discharges a firearm in any public place or on the right-of-way of any paved public road, highway, or street, who knowingly discharges any firearm over the right-of-way of any paved public road, highway, or street or over any occupied premises, or who recklessly or negligently discharges a firearm outdoors on any property used primarily as the site of a dwelling as defined in s. 776.013 or zoned exclusively for residential use commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. This section does not apply to a person lawfully defending life or property or performing official duties requiring the discharge of a firearm or to a person discharging a firearm on public roads or properties expressly approved for hunting by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or Florida Forest Service.
(2) Any occupant of any vehicle who knowingly and willfully discharges any firearm from the vehicle within 1,000 feet of any person commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(3) Any driver or owner of any vehicle, whether or not the owner of the vehicle is occupying the vehicle, who knowingly directs any other person to discharge any firearm from the vehicle commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(4) Any person who recreationally discharges a firearm outdoors, including target shooting, in an area that the person knows or reasonably should know is primarily residential in nature and that has a residential density of one or more dwelling units per acre, commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. This subsection does not apply:
(a) To a person lawfully defending life or property or performing official duties requiring the discharge of a firearm;
(b) If, under the circumstances, the discharge does not pose a reasonably foreseeable risk to life, safety, or property; or
(c) To a person who accidentally discharges a firearm.
History.—s. 1, ch. 3289, 1881; RS 2683; GS 3626; RGS 5557; CGL 7743; s. 1, ch. 61-334; s. 745, ch. 71-136; s. 1, ch. 78-17; s. 1, ch. 89-157; s. 229, ch. 99-245; s. 77, ch. 2012-7; s. 3, ch. 2012-108; s. 1, ch. 2016-12.

1 REF Discharging: http://m.flsenate.gov/Statutes/790.15
2 REF Penalties : https://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2011/775.082
3 REF Fines: https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/0775.083
 
My advice for the OP is that while the rules at shooting ranges may seem onerous, they are not arbitrary and they serve to protect you as well as others. If you enjoy shooting, this is something you'll just have to get accustomed to.

I won't go into details, but in my early 20s I had a sobering incident involving an impromptu backstop on private land, a patch of frozen ground and ricocheting bullets that's made me a big fan of private and club ranges ever since.

BTW, I intend no offense here to those with their own properly sited and constructed private shooting facilities -- I wish I could afford this!
 
Know that shooting "out in the forest" without having a back stop (Florida AKA Flatistan) can be sketchy at best and having lived in Ocala, I know about and have experienced the "forest people" both in Ocala/Osceola Forest.

I went to that NF range when I first moved to Ocala - it was so unsafe, I never went back; too many thefts as well.

Lots of gun clubs in Florida; FL had a dictate to put a County-owned gun club/shooting park in every county in the state. Find your and go there.
 
I saw an interview with this guy at a later date and he stated he did this to get the laws changed?
I'd be curious to find out. I've carefully researched this issue because we're considering moving to Florida due to their relatively liberal gun laws. However we've become aware of the old "be careful what you wish for". I'm sure there are a lot of people in FL who shoot in their back yard and do so legally and responsibly. However there is a flip side. I for one would not want to live next to an ad-hoc amateur gun range. And bullets go for MILES.

REF:
https://www.amend-florida-gun-laws.com/
 
Haven't shot my 1022 yet. And I've been looking at some of my local ranges to see what works for me. And some require you to watch a 30 minute safety video & take a written/graded test. And been wondering can you shoot inside a national forest out in the middle of nowhere part like in Osceola for instance? Just double checking as I don't want to violate any state statures. And my local outdoor gun ranges is 29 minutes away. And don't want to be scared off from ranges bye all the overbearing rules etc Just to target shoot my gun & break it in.

Original Poster, understand that a lot of the comments are not about you personally but rather situations that others with a bit more experience have gone through.

Ranges have rules for several reasons including any mishaps on the range can cause them to get sued out of business, result in death or serious injury, create a negative experience for customers, and generally speaking they cannot discriminate on who gets to shoot up front aside from age perhaps (unless a private club). Insurance companies also demand that certain things be done to reduce the risk of lawsuits and insurance payouts.

Search around for range horror stories reported on this forum using the search function and you will see why owners of ranges or clubs do these briefings. Firearms is one of those issues where there should be zero tolerance for negligent discharges and range safety depends often on Range safety officers or the range owner putting their foot down when unsafe practices occur on their range. It is not personal, they don't know you yet, its business. Clubs are often a great way to meet people of a like interest and remember that people see things in different ways but are generally helpful if asked in a polite manner. In addition, the NRA through its affiliated trainers https://firearmtraining.nra.org/ has some excellent firearms safety programs that are certainly in your area and not that expensive. Many states also have mandated hunting training including safety https://myfwc.com/education/outdoor-skills/hunting/ that is also well worth attending and if you want to learn to shoot better on the cheap, there are far worse things than going to an Appleseed training event. See https://store.rwvaappleseed.com/ If you are new marksman and do not want your inexperience to be demonstrated to others, you can usually come up with private lessons from someone. The truth is the best thing is to be connected to others to learn the craft.

So what about the other alternative, wilderness areas. Like it or not, by choosing to be armed, you have assumed some obligations to be a good citizen in the shooting community. Thus, you should find out and obey all rules and laws (these are not suggestions and remember that offenses on federal land can be tried in federal court) and generally be a good representative of the shooting community. One, only shoot in the designated areas in a safe manner using approved targets/stands only, have someone with you, be aware that others may or may not be safety conscious so you do have to maintain situational awareness, and clean up your trash--and to be a good citizen other trash left around as well. Leave the place as good or better than when you got there. Far too many folks simply assume that they can bring trash to shoot or use signs, various buildings, structures, etc. as targets. They present a poor image to others and end up getting everyone banned for their destructive notion of "fun". Don't be that person. Another is that shooting by yourself is not advised because what happens if you have an accident, someone threatens you, your firearm is stolen, etc. Part of the obligation of firearm ownership is not to allow your firearm to fall into the wrong hands. Be a good citizen of the firearm world.

Like an automobile, operation of an essentially deadly machine that can affect the lives of others is something that requires maturity, prudence, and caution. A ill-advised action can change your life forever along with others so safety is always first over fun if need be. Others have noted the consequences of firing with inappropriate backstops but even the best backstop can be circumvented by firing over it which believe or not people do from time to time. Even a .22 LR can kill or injure at quite a distance.

BTW, I am pretty acquainted with firearms and I have to go through these briefings as well at a new range if that makes you feel better. If you keep your mind open, despite a lot of it being common sense or even repetitive such as Col. Cooper's firearm rules, you will learn something if you have the attitude of being open to new knowledge. Every year in annual firearms training for Uncle Sam, I had to go through essentially the same briefing but sometimes if you paid attention, a new question or situation comes up in these that makes it all worthwhile in reducing risk. I take defensive driving training as well because a habit that you form unconsciously might just not be that safe and being reminded of that is a good thing to nip it in the bud.

Then once you have a good foundation of firearm training, you can pick and choose what you want to do even it is just plinking from time to time or defending your family.

Oh, and one last thing, shooting with others often allows you to get to fire cool guns that you might never afford or be able to acquire. You also get a chance to make friends outside of the virtual world and meet a lot of fine outstanding individuals along the way.

Stay safe and good luck.
 
A basic safety course is a good idea for all new shooters and/or hunters. As far as ranges go I've been to a few and I'm not really a fan of being around a bunch of other people who are shooting. Or having to pay to shoot or dealing with the limitations like not being able to practice a draw or whatever. I consider myself fortunate because I'm about a 20 minute drive from an essentially limitless amount of BLM land that's wide open for legal shooting. I think roughly 60% of Idaho is public land.
 
You must be one of those young whippersnappers with that attitude. Anyone of any age can be a danger with a firearm, not just us well seasoned ones. Maybe the younger generations in your area have all the smarts but not in mine. I have seen many more dumb stunts and more disregard for good range manners from the younger than the older members at my range. That's one of the reasons I go to the range only on week days and very early in the morning when young guys are still asleep and it's mostly old guys there.
Well, at 55, hardly an old codger, or young whippersnapper. I have noticed unsafe acts from shooters of every age, but the majority seem to bee the very young and the very old. The generation that never had to take a hunter safety course to hunt are in their 70's now, and that's about the age of the guy I mentioned. He's one of those who shoots casual league shooting, and shoots like he's on the back forty, not out on the trap field.
There are far to many 'Call of Duty cowboys" in their 20's who own an AR and go to the range once or twice with it, I will definitely agree with you there!
 
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