Universal Clays - Your loads?

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2ndtimer said:
Actually, they are the same powder. Hodgdon originally named it Universal Clays, but then changed it to Universal to avoid confusion with their much faster burning Clays powder. If you check the product info on their website, they refer to Universal as part of their Clays gunpowder technology and Clays gunpowder series. If it has changed, it is only because they have changed their source of production. Originally, it was a name change only.
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Correct!
There are 3 powders in the Clays family.
Clays
International Clays
Universal Clays
All 3 were developed as shotgun powders one faster than the other. Clays is fastest and Universal is slowest. As with many shotgun powders they also have handgun uses. ( just like Unique) The Clays part of the name was removed because of the confusion it was causing just like said above. Same powders, changed labels.

Unlike Unique, Universal can spike pressures at the very top of the pressure range so be aware.
 
Don't forget, there is also their International which was called originally, International Clays adding even more confusion
 
...There are 3 powders in the Clays family.
Clays
International Clays
Universal Clays
All 3 were developed as shotgun powders one faster than the other. Clays is fastest and Universal is slowest. As with many shotgun powders they also have handgun uses. ( just like Unique) The Clays part of the name was removed because of the confusion.
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Then why do you insist on using the obsolete terminology? That just adds to the confusion, the correct name is Universal, not Universal Clays. One has to wonder about the thought process going on at Hodgdon’s marketing group.

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Incorrect. While Universal and Unique seem to be very close first cousins and medium burn powders Unequal is a very fast pistol powder developed to rival Bullseye.
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Wow, wrong again. Try checking some manuals, Universal is much slower than Bullseye and almost interchangeable with Unique (almost, not identical). What the heck is “Unequal” powder? Just, wow.




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25-20 WCF said:
Wow, wrong again. Try checking some manuals, Universal is much slower than Bullseye and almost interchangeable with Unique (almost, not identical). What the heck is “Unequal” powder? Just, wow..
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Hodgdon Unequal (14 oz., 4 & 8 lbs.)

Combines small-sized flakes for uniform metering in all pistol applications and its burn speed accommodates a wide range of shotshell and pistol cartridges



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Product Type: Propellant, smokeless.
Packaging: 14 oz can, 4 lb caddy, or 8# keg

General Info: Attention! Primer/powder orders ship separately and may arrive at a later date. HazMat fee added per order. Primers & powder ship ground freight to the 1st 48 states. There is a 32 lb maximum of powder allowed per HazMat fee, however, if you order powder and primers together under one HazMat fee, you can have 70 lb max per order, of which no more than 32 lbs can be powder. Primers & powder cannot be returned. Check local regulations.
 
I found Universal to be very position sensitive in 38 special. It seemed to work best with 158 grn bullets, I assume because of the reduced case volume. It likes to be loaded hot at the upper end of the load data spread.
 
George P said:
Don't forget, there is also their International which was called originally, International Clays adding even more confusion
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Now, it is not recommended for any handgun load. However, some of the older containers have load information for handguns. It does seem to work well for .45 ACP but did not have good results for 9mm.
 
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